Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[nik]

Dear Vasile,

for what is worth, from my short experience as a CRO for GRASS' PSC elections 
last year, and I mean my readings on and off in trying to be useful for the 
process,

I think it is not useful to cancel running elections. Nor it is to accept any 
withdrawal during the process.

The candidacies, the process and the result should be protected from any such 
actions. Else, it is like openning a small Pandora's box and any similar 
difficulty could eventually cancel the elections.

Please, let the process finish, don't rush. Give time for second thoughts to 
everyone. After the elections, life will go on somehow as Even sketched it very 
well.

Nikos 

À Dimanche 22 octobre 2017, Vasile Craciunescu a écrit :
> Barry,
> 
> I fully agree with you that a complete restart is the fairest way to go. 
> However, people are getting really tired with this subject and some 
> already unsubscribe from this mailing list. Also, not sure if this 
> should be my call or the board should formally decide on this. Probably 
> should be me, as four of the board are standing for reelection. I know 
> that most of you are irritated by the amount of emails that circulate 
> this days on the mailing list but I would like to hear more opinions on 
> this subject before taking a decision.
> 
> Best,
> Vasile
> CRO 2017
> 
> 
> On 10/22/17 4:33 PM, Barry Rowlingson wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > My proposal to the Board and the OSGeo charter members is to leave the
> > list as it is and make sure that the people that did not vote yet are
> > aware of Jeff's request to withdraw from the Board elections.
> > 
> > 
> > No, this is completely off. If a candidate withdraws during an election, 
> > you should declare the current ballot void and start a new one without 
> > the withdrawn candidate.
> > Leaving the ballot running, but telling people who have not voted yet 
> > that one candidate has withdrawn is *unfair* to those who already voted.
> > 
> > I would hope that running a ballot is low-enough cost that this doesn't 
> > have a cost impact, unlike a paper election!
> > 
> > If Jeff had been elected to the board and then resigned the day after 
> > the election then I assume there's regulations for having new 
> > by-elections for vacant seats, but this situation is not the same.
> > 
> > Barry
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I can
> > insert the information in the reminder mail that I'm planing to submit
> > tonight/Monday morning.
> > 
> > Best,
> > Vasile
> > CRO 2017
> > 
> > 
> > [1] http://www.geo-spatial.org/osgeo/bucuresti2017
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 10/21/17 3:34 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
> >  > Dear CRO,
> >  >
> >  > Please accept my withdrawal from the Board election.  I am sorry to
> >  > cause all of the problems so clearly explained by so many here
> > publicly
> >  > this election.
> >  >
> >  > I wish to take the time now to thank all of the candidates for
> >  > volunteering their time for the OSGeo community.
> >  >
> >  > Yours,
> >  >
> >  > -Jeff McKenna
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Re: withdrawal from Board election

[nik]

Well spoken Even.

Thank you, Nikos


À Dimanche 22 octobre 2017, Vasile Craciunescu a écrit :
> Forwarding Even's opinion on the subject.
> 
> Best,
> Vasile
> CRO 2017
> 
> 
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election
> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2017 16:27:45 +0200
> From: Even Rouault 
> To: Barry Rowlingson , Vasile Craciunescu 
> 
> 
> On dimanche 22 octobre 2017 14:33:30 CEST Barry Rowlingson wrote:
> > My proposal to the Board and the OSGeo charter members is to leave the
> > 
> > > list as it is and make sure that the people that did not vote yet are
> > > aware of Jeff's request to withdraw from the Board elections.
> > 
> > No, this is completely off. If a candidate withdraws during an election,
> > you should declare the current ballot void and start a new one without the
> > withdrawn candidate.
> > 
> > Leaving the ballot running, but telling people who have not voted yet that
> > one candidate has withdrawn is *unfair* to those who already voted.
> > 
> > I would hope that running a ballot is low-enough cost that this doesn't
> > have a cost impact, unlike a paper election!
> > 
> > If Jeff had been elected to the board and then resigned the day after the
> > election then I assume there's regulations for having new by-elections for
> > vacant seats, but this situation is not the same.
> > 
> 
> I had a quick search in the bylaws and as far as I can see, there's no 
> provison for a candidate withdrawing during the election time.
> For what is worth, in France for presidential election, once the 
> candidatures have been approved as valid, a candidate can no longer 
> withdraw (the election would be re-run only in the case where a 
> candidate would die or some force majeure impeaching him). If there are 
> laws of Delaware on the subject, they would probably be a better fit in 
> that instance...
> So my view on this situation would be to proceed to the end of the 
> election with the initial list of candidates. And there are 3 possible 
> outcomes:
> * candidate wanting to withdraw is finally not elected. Life goes on
> * candidate is elected, and immediately resigns. Then my understanding 
> of bylaws ("Section 3.7. Vacancies") is that the remaining directors 
> will elect someone to fill the seat
> * candidate is elected, and doesn't resign. Life goes on
> 
> Re-running elections could result in a almost endless loop in case 
> individuals organize a plot to propose candidates and that they resign 
> during the election (until we go short of charter members to be 
> elligible :-) And, in fact, nothing probably formally prevents a 
> candidate that has withdrawned to be a candidate again...)
> 
> (I dropped-off discuss@lists.osgeo.org from my reply to limit the 
> trafic, but if Vasile prefers to make it public, or incorporate some of 
> it in a message, no problem)
> 
> Even
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