Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Standards] sponsoring / relevance / standard

2015-10-19 Thread Scott Simmons 
Jody,

We are in the process of voting on our new Policies and Procedures for 
development of Standards - the vote ends in about a month and then we will see 
if we offer the Community Standards option.

A quick summary: a Community Standard will allow an externally-developed 
“standard” (e.g., a data encoding developed by a commercial entity, a de facto 
standard, or a legacy encoding that is not managed by any particular 
organization) to enter the OGC process in an expedited fashion for endorsement 
as an OGC Standard. Such a standard may share Intellectual Property rights 
between the OGC and originating party. The most important criterion is that the 
proposed standard be broadly implemented: either many different software 
implementations or a few implementations with many users.

Best Regards,
Scott

> On Oct 19, 2015, at 1:46 AM, Jody Garnett  wrote:
> 
> The OGC is trying to be easier to get involved with, you can look up the 
> "community standards" here and see what you think.
> 
> Sigh: I just tried and could not find it ... 
> 
> --
> Jody Garnett
> 
> On 18 October 2015 at 03:53, Munich Orientation Convention 
> > wrote:
>  
> 
> Hi Cameron,
> 
>  
> 
> thank you for the kind support. According to Mahatma Gandhi, the stages for 
> innovations are:
> 
>  
> 
> First they ignore you,
> 
> then they laugh at you,
> 
> then they fight you.
> 
> Then you win.
> 
>  
> 
> OGC didn’t reach the second stage.
> 
> From my side, I’m open for any proposals in favor of the consumer, e. g. 50% 
> of the humankind who think to be unable to read maps 
> www.volksnav.de/YouAreHere .
> 
>  
> 
> Henrique  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Von: Cameron Shorter [mailto:cameron.shor...@gmail.com 
> ] 
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 18. Oktober 2015 11:29
> An: Munich Orientation Convention; standa...@lists.osgeo.org 
> 
> Cc: is...@volksnav.bi ; lib...@volksnav.bi 
> ; donat...@volksnav.bi ; 
> Scott Simmons
> Betreff: Re: [OSGeo-Standards] sponsoring / relevance / standard
> 
>  
> 
> Hi Henrique,
> I suspect that you would be better served to develop a standard under the 
> umbrella of the Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC).
> The OGC is specifically set up to develop spatial standards, where as OSGeo 
> has a focus on Open Source geospatial software (which typically makes use of 
> OGC standards).
> 
> Have you reached out to the OGC community yet? If not, I suggest getting in 
> touch with them. I've CCed Scott Simmons from the OGC, who is also on this 
> list.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Cameron
> 
> On 18/10/2015 7:30 pm, Munich Orientation Convention wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> Hello Jeff,
> 
>  
> 
> I'm deeply grateful that I've been invited to propose to this discussion 
> forum the possibility to let the Munich Orientation Convention be an OSGeo 
> standard.
> 
>  
> 
> So Burundian authorities could discover and prove the benefits of the system. 
> They have already effectuated the creation of the VolksNav S.a  
> www.volksnav.bi  which will now be the local 
> provider of better orientation tools. VolksNav S.a will also produce maps 
> with clock based search grids and plans to reproduce all introduced systems 
> in other African countries. Investors are already knocking on the door.
> 
>  
> 
> The dominoes will fall from there, the Convention will be a de-facto standard 
> and OSGeo will have no relevance within this process.
> 
>  
> 
> I'd like to return the favor in 2016 as a sponsor. Would this be possible or 
> are there restrictions on that?
> 
>  
> 
> Henrique
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Standards] sponsoring / relevance / standard

2015-10-18 Thread Scott Simmons 
Hi Henrique,

Cameron has raised a very good point: we in the OGC need some interest from our 
members to start movement on a new standard. Perhaps you would be willing to 
brief OGC membership on your ideas and/or identify some “champions” inside the 
OGC who might start discussing the topic?

If I understand your message correctly, you have some interest in standardizing 
your convention. One important factor for OGC would be completely free access 
to the standard for the general public. Could this work within your licensing 
model?

Thanks and Regards,
Scott

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> On Oct 18, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Cameron Shorter  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Henrique,
> It sounds like you are looking to build a ground swell of usage of a spatial 
> encoding system. This is a difficult task, and not something that OSGeo or 
> OGC processes are set up for.
> 
> First there needs to be a number of users all calling out for this standard, 
> then OGC will help these users work together to formalise the standard, then 
> software will start getting written to support the standard, then OSGeo will 
> help with branding this software as quality software. (I'm grossly 
> simplifying).
> 
> The very hard part, which I think is your challenge, is to build a ground 
> swell of people calling out for this standard. I wish you luck, but I think 
> it will be a hard.
> 
> Cameron
> 
> On 18/10/2015 9:53 pm, Munich Orientation Convention wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Cameron,
>>  
>> thank you for the kind support. According to Mahatma Gandhi, the stages for 
>> innovations are:
>>  
>> First they ignore you,
>> then they laugh at you,
>> then they fight you.
>> Then you win.
>>  
>> OGC didn’t reach the second stage.
>> From my side, I’m open for any proposals in favor of the consumer, e. g. 50% 
>> of the humankind who think to be unable to read maps 
>> www.volksnav.de/YouAreHere .
>>  
>> Henrique  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Von: Cameron Shorter [mailto:cameron.shor...@gmail.com 
>> ] 
>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 18. Oktober 2015 11:29
>> An: Munich Orientation Convention; standa...@lists.osgeo.org 
>> 
>> Cc: is...@volksnav.bi ; lib...@volksnav.bi 
>> ; donat...@volksnav.bi; Scott Simmons
>> Betreff: Re: [OSGeo-Standards] sponsoring / relevance / standard
>>  
>> Hi Henrique,
>> I suspect that you would be better served to develop a standard under the 
>> umbrella of the Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC).
>> The OGC is specifically set up to develop spatial standards, where as OSGeo 
>> has a focus on Open Source geospatial software (which typically makes use of 
>> OGC standards).
>> 
>> Have you reached out to the OGC community yet? If not, I suggest getting in 
>> touch with them. I've CCed Scott Simmons from the OGC, who is also on this 
>> list.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> Cameron
>> 
>> On 18/10/2015 7:30 pm, Munich Orientation Convention wrote:
>>  
>> Hello Jeff,
>>  
>> I'm deeply grateful that I've been invited to propose to this discussion 
>> forum the possibility to let the Munich Orientation Convention be an OSGeo 
>> standard. 
>>  
>> So Burundian authorities could discover and prove the benefits of the 
>> system. They have already effectuated the creation of the VolksNav S.a  
>> www.volksnav.bi  which will now be the local 
>> provider of better orientation tools. VolksNav S.a will also produce maps 
>> with clock based search grids and plans to reproduce all introduced systems 
>> in other African countries. Investors are already knocking on the door.
>>  
>> The dominoes will fall from there, the Convention will be a de-facto 
>> standard and OSGeo will have no relevance within this process.
>>  
>> I'd like to return the favor in 2016 as a sponsor. Would this be possible or 
>> are there restrictions on that?
>>  
>> Henrique
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Cameron Shorter,
>> Software and Data Solutions Manager
>> LISAsoft
>> Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
>> 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009
>>  
>> P +61 2 9009 5000,  W www.lisasoft.com ,  F +61 2 
>> 9009 5099
> 
> -- 
> Cameron Shorter,
> Software and Data Solutions Manager
> LISAsoft
> Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
> 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009
> 
> P +61 2 9009 5000,  W www.lisasoft.com ,  F +61 2 
> 9009 5099

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Standards] sponsoring / relevance / standard

2015-10-18 Thread Cameron Shorter 

Hi Henrique,
It sounds like you are looking to build a ground swell of usage of a 
spatial encoding system. This is a difficult task, and not something 
that OSGeo or OGC processes are set up for.


First there needs to be a number of users all calling out for this 
standard, then OGC will help these users work together to formalise the 
standard, then software will start getting written to support the 
standard, then OSGeo will help with branding this software as quality 
software. (I'm grossly simplifying).


The very hard part, which I think is your challenge, is to build a 
ground swell of people calling out for this standard. I wish you luck, 
but I think it will be a hard.


Cameron

On 18/10/2015 9:53 pm, Munich Orientation Convention wrote:


Hi Cameron,

thank you for the kind support. According to Mahatma Gandhi, the 
stages for innovations are:


First they ignore you,

then they laugh at you,

then they fight you.

Then you win.

OGC didn’t reach the second stage.

From my side, I’m open for any proposals in favor of the consumer, e. 
g. 50% of the humankind who think to be unable to read maps 
www.volksnav.de/YouAreHere .


Henrique

*Von:*Cameron Shorter [mailto:cameron.shor...@gmail.com]
*Gesendet:* Sonntag, 18. Oktober 2015 11:29
*An:* Munich Orientation Convention; standa...@lists.osgeo.org
*Cc:* is...@volksnav.bi; lib...@volksnav.bi; donat...@volksnav.bi; 
Scott Simmons

*Betreff:* Re: [OSGeo-Standards] sponsoring / relevance / standard

Hi Henrique,
I suspect that you would be better served to develop a standard under 
the umbrella of the Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC).
The OGC is specifically set up to develop spatial standards, where as 
OSGeo has a focus on Open Source geospatial software (which typically 
makes use of OGC standards).


Have you reached out to the OGC community yet? If not, I suggest 
getting in touch with them. I've CCed Scott Simmons from the OGC, who 
is also on this list.


Warm regards,
Cameron

On 18/10/2015 7:30 pm, Munich Orientation Convention wrote:

Hello Jeff,

I'm deeply grateful that I've been invited to propose to this
discussion forum the possibility to let the Munich Orientation
Convention be an OSGeo standard.

So Burundian authorities could discover and prove the benefits of
the system. They have already effectuated the creation of the
VolksNav S.a www.volksnav.bi  which will
now be the local provider of better orientation tools. VolksNav
S.a will also produce maps with clock based search grids and plans
to reproduce all introduced systems in other African countries.
Investors are already knocking on the door.

The dominoes will fall from there, the Convention will be a
de-facto standard and OSGeo will have no relevance within this
process.

I'd like to return the favor in 2016 as a sponsor. Would this be
possible or are there restrictions on that?

Henrique




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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Standards] sponsoring / relevance / standard

2015-10-18 Thread Munich Orientation Convention 
 

Hi Cameron,

 

thank you for the kind support. According to Mahatma Gandhi, the stages for 
innovations are:

 

First they ignore you,

then they laugh at you,

then they fight you.

Then you win.

 

OGC didn’t reach the second stage.

>From my side, I’m open for any proposals in favor of the consumer, e. g. 50% 
>of the humankind who think to be unable to read maps 
>www.volksnav.de/YouAreHere.

 

Henrique  

 

 

 

Von: Cameron Shorter [mailto:cameron.shor...@gmail.com] 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 18. Oktober 2015 11:29
An: Munich Orientation Convention; standa...@lists.osgeo.org
Cc: is...@volksnav.bi; lib...@volksnav.bi; donat...@volksnav.bi; Scott Simmons
Betreff: Re: [OSGeo-Standards] sponsoring / relevance / standard

 

Hi Henrique,
I suspect that you would be better served to develop a standard under the 
umbrella of the Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC).
The OGC is specifically set up to develop spatial standards, where as OSGeo has 
a focus on Open Source geospatial software (which typically makes use of OGC 
standards).

Have you reached out to the OGC community yet? If not, I suggest getting in 
touch with them. I've CCed Scott Simmons from the OGC, who is also on this list.

Warm regards,
Cameron

On 18/10/2015 7:30 pm, Munich Orientation Convention wrote:

 

Hello Jeff,

 

I'm deeply grateful that I've been invited to propose to this discussion forum 
the possibility to let the Munich Orientation Convention be an OSGeo standard. 

 

So Burundian authorities could discover and prove the benefits of the system. 
They have already effectuated the creation of the VolksNav S.a  www.volksnav.bi 
which will now be the local provider of better orientation tools. VolksNav S.a 
will also produce maps with clock based search grids and plans to reproduce all 
introduced systems in other African countries. Investors are already knocking 
on the door.

 

The dominoes will fall from there, the Convention will be a de-facto standard 
and OSGeo will have no relevance within this process.

 

I'd like to return the favor in 2016 as a sponsor. Would this be possible or 
are there restrictions on that?

 

Henrique






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