Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Collaboration within the community

[Marc Vloemans]

Dear Maria,

Thanks for your kind words!
Regarding my comment on 'envy';
I have to deal with 20-ish members, while Venka has a thousand-fold voices to 
bring together. Not something I can ever do. It was therefore a friendly pun. 

Have safe travels yourself, as well. And hope to meet in Europe soon. 

Kind regards,
Marc Vloemans


> Op 18 aug. 2017 om 20:31 heeft Maria Antonia Brovelli 
> <maria.brove...@polimi.it> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> Dear Marc
> I absolutely agree with you that, as entities sharing some common interests, 
> we shall discuss and verify what we can go together.
> Knowing better each other and arriving at the end to a clear MoU between the 
> two organisations is what we have to do.
> I don't agree with you when you are not envious of Venka. The discussion and 
> diverse visions in the community is one of the richness of OSGEO.  Difficult 
> to deal with but much richer.
> And, at the end,  in my opinion we have some time for reasoning and 
> discussing.
> Thanks to everybody who wants to contribute to the discussion! 
> Have a safe flight back to Europe!
> Best
> Maria
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Samsung device
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Marc Vloemans <marcvloema...@gmail.com> 
> Date: 18/08/2017 09:15 (GMT-05:00) 
> To: Michael Smith <michael.smith.e...@gmail.com>, Venkatesh Raghavan 
> <ragha...@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp> 
> Cc: OSGeo Discussions <discuss@lists.osgeo.org>, Helmut Kudrnovsky 
> <hel...@web.de> 
> Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Collaboration within the community 
> 
> Hi Venka,
> 
> Thanks for your kind reply and picking up the Paris-conversation.
> 
> As Michael rightfully refers to, and all involved will understand; the MoU 
> (or any other type of agreement) has to reflect the interests and 
> concerns/challenges of both organisations.
> 
> We both have our members to take into account, on behalf of which we act and 
> speak. You are dealing with a membership of a multitude of individuals, I 
> speak on behalf of a group of projects and businesses. Two sometimes 
> different and other times very alike interest groups. Actually, I don't envy 
> you ;-)
> 
> At the same time, we are already working together on so many occasions, 
> events, projects etc. That has grown incrementally, bottom up and as part of 
> a do-ocracy. It has proven to be quite successful and I don't intend to have 
> too much red tape interfere with all the good stuff that is happening. 
> 
> With OSGeo doing so much in the field of outreach and advocacy and 
> LocationTech providing a market place for techno-commercial entities, both 
> working on a multitude of interconnected projects, with overlapping 
> communities..that is a really powerful combination. We have a world to 
> win!
> 
> Kind regards,
> Marc Vloemans
> 
> 
> > Op 18 aug. 2017 om 07:34 heeft Michael Smith <michael.smith.e...@gmail.com> 
> > het volgende geschreven:
> > 
> > Venka,
> > 
> > This is something we discussed quite a bit at both the Boston F2F and at
> > the LocationTech meeting that I was invited to attend. It was agreed that
> > we all wanted to work together on the MoU but to also work closer together
> > on the process so it reflects interests and concerns on both sides. Norman
> > Barker will be attending some OSGeo board meetings to continue the
> > discussions and I will be attending some LocationTech meetings as well. We
> > need to keep discussing this both at the meetings and on the list to
> > continue forward with what is already a very good working relationship.
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > 
> > Michael Smith
> > OSGeo Foundation Treasurer
> > treasu...@osgeo.org
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Discuss <discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org> on behalf of Venkatesh
> > Raghavan <ragha...@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp>
> > Date: Friday, August 18, 2017 at 2:41 AM
> > To: Marc Vloemans <marcvloema...@gmail.com>, Helmut Kudrnovsky
> > <hel...@web.de>, OSGeo Discussions <discuss@lists.osgeo.org>
> > Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Collaboration is the way
> > forward: Note the LocationTech badge is not showing correctly
> > Resent-From: Michael Smith <michael.sm...@usace.army.mil>
> > 
> >> Hi Marc,
> >> 
> >> Many thanks to LocationTech for supporting
> >> OSGeo events and code sprints.
> >> 
> >> As discussed with you at FOSS4G-Europe last month,
> >> we could consider going beyo

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Collaboration within the community

[Maria Antonia Brovelli]

Dear Marc
I absolutely agree with you that, as entities sharing some common interests, we 
shall discuss and verify what we can go together.
Knowing better each other and arriving at the end to a clear MoU between the 
two organisations is what we have to do.
I don't agree with you when you are not envious of Venka. The discussion and 
diverse visions in the community is one of the richness of OSGEO.  Difficult to 
deal with but much richer.
And, at the end,  in my opinion we have some time for reasoning and discussing.
Thanks to everybody who wants to contribute to the discussion!
Have a safe flight back to Europe!
Best
Maria



Sent from my Samsung device


 Original message 
From: Marc Vloemans <marcvloema...@gmail.com>
Date: 18/08/2017 09:15 (GMT-05:00)
To: Michael Smith <michael.smith.e...@gmail.com>, Venkatesh Raghavan 
<ragha...@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp>
Cc: OSGeo Discussions <discuss@lists.osgeo.org>, Helmut Kudrnovsky 
<hel...@web.de>
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Collaboration within the community

Hi Venka,

Thanks for your kind reply and picking up the Paris-conversation.

As Michael rightfully refers to, and all involved will understand; the MoU (or 
any other type of agreement) has to reflect the interests and 
concerns/challenges of both organisations.

We both have our members to take into account, on behalf of which we act and 
speak. You are dealing with a membership of a multitude of individuals, I speak 
on behalf of a group of projects and businesses. Two sometimes different and 
other times very alike interest groups. Actually, I don't envy you ;-)

At the same time, we are already working together on so many occasions, events, 
projects etc. That has grown incrementally, bottom up and as part of a 
do-ocracy. It has proven to be quite successful and I don't intend to have too 
much red tape interfere with all the good stuff that is happening.

With OSGeo doing so much in the field of outreach and advocacy and LocationTech 
providing a market place for techno-commercial entities, both working on a 
multitude of interconnected projects, with overlapping communities..that is 
a really powerful combination. We have a world to win!

Kind regards,
Marc Vloemans


> Op 18 aug. 2017 om 07:34 heeft Michael Smith <michael.smith.e...@gmail.com> 
> het volgende geschreven:
>
> Venka,
>
> This is something we discussed quite a bit at both the Boston F2F and at
> the LocationTech meeting that I was invited to attend. It was agreed that
> we all wanted to work together on the MoU but to also work closer together
> on the process so it reflects interests and concerns on both sides. Norman
> Barker will be attending some OSGeo board meetings to continue the
> discussions and I will be attending some LocationTech meetings as well. We
> need to keep discussing this both at the meetings and on the list to
> continue forward with what is already a very good working relationship.
>
> Mike
>
> 
> Michael Smith
> OSGeo Foundation Treasurer
> treasu...@osgeo.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Discuss <discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org> on behalf of Venkatesh
> Raghavan <ragha...@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp>
> Date: Friday, August 18, 2017 at 2:41 AM
> To: Marc Vloemans <marcvloema...@gmail.com>, Helmut Kudrnovsky
> <hel...@web.de>, OSGeo Discussions <discuss@lists.osgeo.org>
> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Collaboration is the way
> forward: Note the LocationTech badge is not showing correctly
> Resent-From: Michael Smith <michael.sm...@usace.army.mil>
>
>> Hi Marc,
>>
>> Many thanks to LocationTech for supporting
>> OSGeo events and code sprints.
>>
>> As discussed with you at FOSS4G-Europe last month,
>> we could consider going beyond the "informal" partnership
>> between LocationTech and OSGeo Foundation and having
>> a MoU. I think this would help to answer some of the questions
>> that Helmut has raised and avoid any misunderstandings
>> in the future.
>>
>> I had sent you some suggestions on drafting an MoU that you can
>> go through and perhaps, find time to discuss f2f with OSGeo board
>> members attending FOSS4G-Boston.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Venka
>>
>>> On 2017/08/18 6:23, Marc Vloemans wrote:
>>> Dear Helmut,
>>>
>>> I am also a charter member. And much more in our ever-growing and
>>> evolving community.
>>>
>>> LocationTech is a partner of OSGeo, we work on various joint projects,
>>> LocationTech is sponsor of OSGeo code sprints, we work together for many
>>> years on FOSS4G North Amerika. We do valuable complementary work
>>> regarding 

[OSGeo-Discuss] Collaboration within the community

[Marc Vloemans]

Hi Venka,

Thanks for your kind reply and picking up the Paris-conversation.

As Michael rightfully refers to, and all involved will understand; the MoU (or 
any other type of agreement) has to reflect the interests and 
concerns/challenges of both organisations.

We both have our members to take into account, on behalf of which we act and 
speak. You are dealing with a membership of a multitude of individuals, I speak 
on behalf of a group of projects and businesses. Two sometimes different and 
other times very alike interest groups. Actually, I don't envy you ;-)

At the same time, we are already working together on so many occasions, events, 
projects etc. That has grown incrementally, bottom up and as part of a 
do-ocracy. It has proven to be quite successful and I don't intend to have too 
much red tape interfere with all the good stuff that is happening. 

With OSGeo doing so much in the field of outreach and advocacy and LocationTech 
providing a market place for techno-commercial entities, both working on a 
multitude of interconnected projects, with overlapping communities..that is 
a really powerful combination. We have a world to win!

Kind regards,
Marc Vloemans


> Op 18 aug. 2017 om 07:34 heeft Michael Smith  
> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> Venka,
> 
> This is something we discussed quite a bit at both the Boston F2F and at
> the LocationTech meeting that I was invited to attend. It was agreed that
> we all wanted to work together on the MoU but to also work closer together
> on the process so it reflects interests and concerns on both sides. Norman
> Barker will be attending some OSGeo board meetings to continue the
> discussions and I will be attending some LocationTech meetings as well. We
> need to keep discussing this both at the meetings and on the list to
> continue forward with what is already a very good working relationship.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> Michael Smith
> OSGeo Foundation Treasurer
> treasu...@osgeo.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Discuss  on behalf of Venkatesh
> Raghavan 
> Date: Friday, August 18, 2017 at 2:41 AM
> To: Marc Vloemans , Helmut Kudrnovsky
> , OSGeo Discussions 
> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Collaboration is the way
> forward: Note the LocationTech badge is not showing correctly
> Resent-From: Michael Smith 
> 
>> Hi Marc,
>> 
>> Many thanks to LocationTech for supporting
>> OSGeo events and code sprints.
>> 
>> As discussed with you at FOSS4G-Europe last month,
>> we could consider going beyond the "informal" partnership
>> between LocationTech and OSGeo Foundation and having
>> a MoU. I think this would help to answer some of the questions
>> that Helmut has raised and avoid any misunderstandings
>> in the future.
>> 
>> I had sent you some suggestions on drafting an MoU that you can
>> go through and perhaps, find time to discuss f2f with OSGeo board
>> members attending FOSS4G-Boston.
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> Venka
>> 
>>> On 2017/08/18 6:23, Marc Vloemans wrote:
>>> Dear Helmut,
>>> 
>>> I am also a charter member. And much more in our ever-growing and
>>> evolving community.
>>> 
>>> LocationTech is a partner of OSGeo, we work on various joint projects,
>>> LocationTech is sponsor of OSGeo code sprints, we work together for many
>>> years on FOSS4G North Amerika. We do valuable complementary work
>>> regarding community and market development.
>>> 
>>> All this has been achieved over the years incrementally and by the
>>> efforts, care and vision of many directly involved. An achievement, that
>>> by raising a discussion as you propose
>>> 
>>> Your confusion thus confuses me (besides Chair of the Marketing
>>> Committee, former Board member of OSGeoNL, member of the LOC FOSS4G
>>> 2016, Chair of FOSS4G North Amerika and  Director Ecosystem
>>> Development Eclipse Foundation with special focus on its Industry
>>> Working Group LocationTech.
>>> 
>>> Your comments are actually turning back the clock.
>>> 
>>> If you may remember, in the recent past some very unfortunately
>>> misunderstandings have created a we/them atmosphere. The present FOSS4G
>>> in Boston proves we are as an inclusive community moving forward.
>>> Towards unimaginable opportunities.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Marc Vloemans
>>> 
>>> 
 Op 17 aug. 2017 om 15:19 heeft Helmut Kudrnovsky  het
 volgende geschreven:
 
 (Taken from 
 BlockedBlockedhttps://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2017-August/0354
 53.html)Blocked
 
 "Note the LocationTech badge is not not showing correctly"
 
 now I am, as an OSGeo charter member, really really confused about
 this.
 
 What I'm really missing here is an open discussion and decision making
 how we, as an organisation OSGeo, going