Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OGC certification fees - Is there a common agreement with OSGeo

2020-10-24 Thread Jody Garnett 
I think there is a MOU between OSGeo and OGC to handle this sort of thing,
see website (https://www.osgeo.org/partners/ogc/), OSGeo also has
interoperability as one of the groups goals (so it is a good activity to
request funding for).
--
Jody Garnett


On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 at 09:05, Régis Haubourg 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> During the last two years, I have been in running the official
> certification process for QGIS.org and QGIS server.
>
> We have certified [0] QGIS server for WMS 1.3 and more recently the OGC
> APIF 1.0.
>
> Up to now, the OGC team has been very helpful by kindly giving us the
> reference implementation status, which implies no fees to pay.
>
> But this changed just now with a more strict policy - see the response
> below [4] - which ends up in having to pay 300 euros for each
> certification process and yearly renewal process.
>
> QGIS.org could eventually afford this budget, but I'm not sure smaller
> OSGeo project can.
>
> Furthermore, this manual process is already time consuming, a bit
> bureaucratic,  and given that we run continuous integration with OGC
> compliance tests [1], we will probably not struggle to get certified so
> often under these new conditions. That is a bit sad since open source
> really go together with public standards.
>
> Do we have any agreement at the OSGeo level that would ease this part ?
> (I checked the wiki [2] first of course)
>
>
> Thanks for your inputs,
>
> Best regards
>
> Régis
>
> ---
>
> President of the french local Chapter / QGIS contributor
>
>
> [0]
>
> https://www.ogc.org/resource/products?display_opt=1&org_match=QGIS.org%20(OSGEO%20project)
>
> [1] https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/pull/38644
>
> [2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OGC_Certification_Services
>
>
> [4]
>
> On 22/10/2020 11:25, Gobe Hobona wrote:
> > We appreciate the work done by the QGIS and OSGeo community in
> > supporting OGC standards. Please note however that we are guided by
> > our policies, agreed on by the OGC Membership.
> >
> > Please see Sections 5.5 and 6.3 of the Compliance Testing Policy
> > [https://portal.opengeospatial.org/files/?artifact_id=55234].
> >
> > The fee is only waived for:
> >
> > * The first three implementations to pass 100% of the compliance
> > procedure, while the test is in beta. We refer to these as Early
> > Implementers.
> > * The first two Reference Implementations that pass the test related
> > to a conformance class within a version of an Implementation Standard.
> >
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OGC certification fees - Is there a common agreement with OSGeo

2020-10-23 Thread Gobe Hobona 
Régis,

The OSGeo-OGC Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) is still in place 
[https://www.osgeo.org/wp-content/uploads/MOU_OSGeo_20081201.pdf 
]

However, neither the MOU nor the Compliance Testing Policy 
[https://portal.opengeospatial.org/files/?artifact_id=55234 
] allows us to 
exceed the limit on Reference Implementations. The policy has not changed since 
2013.

The fee is only waived for:

* The first three implementations to pass 100% of the compliance procedure, 
while the test is in beta. We refer to these as Early Implementers.
* The first two Reference Implementations that pass the test related to a 
conformance class within a version of an Implementation Standard.

In this case, the executable test suite of OGC API - Features - Part 1: Core is 
already in production (i.e. it is no longer in beta).  Please also note that 
there are already two current Reference Implementations of the standard. 

Both the Reference Implementation and Early Implementer routes continue to be 
available to OSGeo projects. However, there are terms and conditions as 
documented in the MOU and Policy documents.

QGIS Server can still be registered on the Compliance database as implementing 
OGC API - Features - Part 1: Core, just not certified as OGC Compliant for that 
standard. If an organisation that is using or contributing to QGIS Server needs 
it to be certified, please do let us know and we can look at getting the 
certification funded through that organisation.

Regards,

Gobe
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> On 23 Oct 2020, at 17:08, Régis Haubourg  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> During the last two years, I have been in running the official
> certification process for QGIS.org and QGIS server.
> 
> We have certified [0] QGIS server for WMS 1.3 and more recently the OGC
> APIF 1.0.
> 
> Up to now, the OGC team has been very helpful by kindly giving us the
> reference implementation status, which implies no fees to pay.
> 
> But this changed just now with a more strict policy - see the response
> below [4] - which ends up in having to pay 300 euros for each
> certification process and yearly renewal process.
> 
> QGIS.org could eventually afford this budget, but I'm not sure smaller
> OSGeo project can.
> 
> Furthermore, this manual process is already time consuming, a bit
> bureaucratic,  and given that we run continuous integration with OGC
> compliance tests [1], we will probably not struggle to get certified so
> often under these new conditions. That is a bit sad since open source
> really go together with public standards.
> 
> Do we have any agreement at the OSGeo level that would ease this part ? 
> (I checked the wiki [2] first of course)
> 
> 
> Thanks for your inputs,
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Régis
> 
> ---
> 
> President of the french local Chapter / QGIS contributor
> 
> 
> [0]
> https://www.ogc.org/resource/products?display_opt=1&org_match=QGIS.org%20(OSGEO%20project)
>  
> 
> 
> [1] https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/pull/38644 
> 
> 
> [2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OGC_Certification_Services 
> 
> 
> 
> [4]
> 
> On 22/10/2020 11:25, Gobe Hobona wrote:
>> We appreciate the work done by the QGIS and OSGeo community in
>> supporting OGC standards. Please note however that we are guided by
>> our policies, agreed on by the OGC Membership.
>> 
>> Please see Sections 5.5 and 6.3 of the Compliance Testing Policy
>> [https://portal.opengeospatial.org/files/?artifact_id=55234 
>> ].
>> 
>> The fee is only waived for:
>> 
>> * The first three implementations to pass 100% of the compliance
>> procedure, while the test is in beta. We refer to these as Early
>> Implementers.
>> * The first two Reference Implementations that pass the test related
>> to a conformance class within a version of an Implementation Standard.
>> 
> 
> -- 
> Régis Haubourg
> 
> presid...@osgeo.asso.fr 
> 
> Président de l'OSGeo-FR 
> 
> OSGeo-fr, acteur francophone de la géomatique open-source
> 
> https://www.osgeo.asso.fr/ 
> 
> https://twitter.com/osgeofr 
> 
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[OSGeo-Discuss] OGC certification fees - Is there a common agreement with OSGeo

2020-10-23 Thread Régis Haubourg 
Hi all,

During the last two years, I have been in running the official
certification process for QGIS.org and QGIS server.

We have certified [0] QGIS server for WMS 1.3 and more recently the OGC
APIF 1.0.

Up to now, the OGC team has been very helpful by kindly giving us the
reference implementation status, which implies no fees to pay.

But this changed just now with a more strict policy - see the response
below [4] - which ends up in having to pay 300 euros for each
certification process and yearly renewal process.

QGIS.org could eventually afford this budget, but I'm not sure smaller
OSGeo project can.

Furthermore, this manual process is already time consuming, a bit
bureaucratic,  and given that we run continuous integration with OGC
compliance tests [1], we will probably not struggle to get certified so
often under these new conditions. That is a bit sad since open source
really go together with public standards.

Do we have any agreement at the OSGeo level that would ease this part ? 
(I checked the wiki [2] first of course)


Thanks for your inputs,

Best regards

Régis

---

President of the french local Chapter / QGIS contributor


[0]
https://www.ogc.org/resource/products?display_opt=1&org_match=QGIS.org%20(OSGEO%20project)

[1] https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/pull/38644

[2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OGC_Certification_Services


[4]

On 22/10/2020 11:25, Gobe Hobona wrote:

> We appreciate the work done by the QGIS and OSGeo community in
> supporting OGC standards. Please note however that we are guided by
> our policies, agreed on by the OGC Membership.
>
> Please see Sections 5.5 and 6.3 of the Compliance Testing Policy
> [https://portal.opengeospatial.org/files/?artifact_id=55234].
>
> The fee is only waived for:
>
> * The first three implementations to pass 100% of the compliance
> procedure, while the test is in beta. We refer to these as Early
> Implementers.
> * The first two Reference Implementations that pass the test related
> to a conformance class within a version of an Implementation Standard.
>
-- 
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presid...@osgeo.asso.fr

Président de l'OSGeo-FR 

OSGeo-fr, acteur francophone de la géomatique open-source

https://www.osgeo.asso.fr/

https://twitter.com/osgeofr

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OGC certification fees - Is there a common agreement with OSGeo

2020-10-23 Thread Régis Haubourg 
Yuk, wrong thread, sorry for the noise, I'll open a dedicated one.

Régis

On 23/10/2020 18:05, Régis Haubourg wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> During the last two years, I have been in running the official
> certification process for QGIS.org and QGIS server.
>
> We have certified [0] QGIS server for WMS 1.3 and more recently the OGC
> APIF 1.0.
>
> Up to now, the OGC team has been very helpful by kindly giving us the
> reference implementation status, which implies no fees to pay.
>
> But this changed just now with a more strict policy - see the response
> below [4] - which ends up in having to pay 300 euros for each
> certification process and yearly renewal process.
>
> QGIS.org could eventually afford this budget, but I'm not sure smaller
> OSGeo project can.
>
> Furthermore, this manual process is already time consuming, a bit
> bureaucratic,  and given that we run continuous integration with OGC
> compliance tests [1], we will probably not struggle to get certified so
> often under these new conditions. That is a bit sad since open source
> really go together with public standards.
>
> Do we have any agreement at the OSGeo level that would ease this part ? 
> (I checked the wiki [2] first of course)
>
>
> Thanks for your inputs,
>
> Best regards
>
> Régis
>
> ---
>
> President of the french local Chapter / QGIS contributor
>
>
> [0]
> https://www.ogc.org/resource/products?display_opt=1&org_match=QGIS.org%20(OSGEO%20project)
>
> [1] https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/pull/38644
>
> [2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OGC_Certification_Services
>
>
> [4]
>
> On 22/10/2020 11:25, Gobe Hobona wrote:
>> We appreciate the work done by the QGIS and OSGeo community in
>> supporting OGC standards. Please note however that we are guided by
>> our policies, agreed on by the OGC Membership.
>>
>> Please see Sections 5.5 and 6.3 of the Compliance Testing Policy
>> [https://portal.opengeospatial.org/files/?artifact_id=55234].
>>
>> The fee is only waived for:
>>
>> * The first three implementations to pass 100% of the compliance
>> procedure, while the test is in beta. We refer to these as Early
>> Implementers.
>> * The first two Reference Implementations that pass the test related
>> to a conformance class within a version of an Implementation Standard.
>>
-- 
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presid...@osgeo.asso.fr

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OSGeo-fr, acteur francophone de la géomatique open-source

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2020-10-23 Thread Régis Haubourg 
Hi all,

During the last two years, I have been in running the official
certification process for QGIS.org and QGIS server.

We have certified [0] QGIS server for WMS 1.3 and more recently the OGC
APIF 1.0.

Up to now, the OGC team has been very helpful by kindly giving us the
reference implementation status, which implies no fees to pay.

But this changed just now with a more strict policy - see the response
below [4] - which ends up in having to pay 300 euros for each
certification process and yearly renewal process.

QGIS.org could eventually afford this budget, but I'm not sure smaller
OSGeo project can.

Furthermore, this manual process is already time consuming, a bit
bureaucratic,  and given that we run continuous integration with OGC
compliance tests [1], we will probably not struggle to get certified so
often under these new conditions. That is a bit sad since open source
really go together with public standards.

Do we have any agreement at the OSGeo level that would ease this part ? 
(I checked the wiki [2] first of course)


Thanks for your inputs,

Best regards

Régis

---

President of the french local Chapter / QGIS contributor


[0]
https://www.ogc.org/resource/products?display_opt=1&org_match=QGIS.org%20(OSGEO%20project)

[1] https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/pull/38644

[2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OGC_Certification_Services


[4]

On 22/10/2020 11:25, Gobe Hobona wrote:
> We appreciate the work done by the QGIS and OSGeo community in
> supporting OGC standards. Please note however that we are guided by
> our policies, agreed on by the OGC Membership.
>
> Please see Sections 5.5 and 6.3 of the Compliance Testing Policy
> [https://portal.opengeospatial.org/files/?artifact_id=55234].
>
> The fee is only waived for:
>
> * The first three implementations to pass 100% of the compliance
> procedure, while the test is in beta. We refer to these as Early
> Implementers.
> * The first two Reference Implementations that pass the test related
> to a conformance class within a version of an Implementation Standard.
>

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