Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] discussion or FUD

[René A. Enguehard]

I find his views amusing, if misguided. In any case, a troll's opinion 
has about as much weight as the air under the bridge from which he 
crawled out of. No sense antagonizing him, let his ignorance speak for 
itself. As to whether ERDAS products, or even open source ones, are 
viable options: that's always a question of requirements. So arguments 
either way lead to very little. Perhaps we should adopt more of a live 
and let live philosophy, while still promoting the merits of open source 
software? Let everyone have a cape! (Because when everyone's super... 
no-one is!)


Just my $0.02 CAD
R

Brian Russo wrote:

At first glance, my initial reaction is he's merely misinformed.
 
However, after reviewing his blog and comments elsewhere; it's not 
just sad - it's outright funny how indoctrinated he is. We use a lot 
of proprietary software because we have a specific community we need 
to interoperate with, but in our case the scenario is not open VS 
closed, it's random assemblage of homebrew/proprietary software VS 
closed but standardized VS open. The latter would be ideal; but while 
interoperability within the open source "geostack" is good; 
integrating open source with proprietary is still a challenge.
 
"The market is begging for a vendor to pick up the ball 
here...luckily, ERDAS is HERE!"
 
Anyone have pictures of him in spandex and a cape?


 - bri
 
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Micha Silver > wrote:


Guillaume Sueur wrote:

another one here :

http://owston.blogspot.com/2009/05/price-free-of-open-source-software-has.html

how can we have ignore that guy for so long ,
 


Hey, look on the bright side. In the above post he says he has
many clients already using open source solutions.
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Regards,

Guillaume

 



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] discussion or FUD

[Brian Russo]

At first glance, my initial reaction is he's merely misinformed.

However, after reviewing his blog and comments elsewhere; it's not just sad
- it's outright funny how indoctrinated he is. We use a lot of proprietary
software because we have a specific community we need to interoperate with,
but in our case the scenario is not open VS closed, it's random assemblage
of homebrew/proprietary software VS closed but standardized VS open. The
latter would be ideal; but while interoperability within the open source
"geostack" is good; integrating open source with proprietary is still a
challenge.

"The market is begging for a vendor to pick up the ball here...luckily,
ERDAS is HERE!"

Anyone have pictures of him in spandex and a cape?

 - bri

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Micha Silver  wrote:

> Guillaume Sueur wrote:
>
>> another one here :
>>
>> http://owston.blogspot.com/2009/05/price-free-of-open-source-software-has.html
>>
>> how can we have ignore that guy for so long ,
>>
>>
> Hey, look on the bright side. In the above post he says he has many clients
> already using open source solutions.
> --
> Micha
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Guillaume
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] discussion or FUD

[Micha Silver]

Guillaume Sueur wrote:

another one here :
http://owston.blogspot.com/2009/05/price-free-of-open-source-software-has.html

how can we have ignore that guy for so long , 

  
Hey, look on the bright side. In the above post he says he has many 
clients already using open source solutions.

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Regards,

Guillaume

  


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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] discussion or FUD

[Bruce, Bob (CON)]

Then there is "The Price of "FREE" Open Source Software has really
become Expensive!!" at
http://owston.blogspot.com/2009/05/price-free-of-open-source-software-ha
s.html

It is easy to make all kinds of statements when you aren't accountable
for them and when they are not peer-reviewed.

I wouldn't lose any sleep over this.

Bob Bruce

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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] discussion or FUD

It's a rainy day here and why not read some more of his blog I thought, 
until I encountered:

http://owston.blogspot.com/2009/05/opengeo-team-is-faster-and-better-tha
n.html

Best regards,
Bart

Paolo Cavallini wrote:
> Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS) ha scritto:
>   
>> Thanks for attending us to this thread Paolo.
>>
>> FUD is the word for sure. More fud from the same guy on the benchmark
>> exercise:
>>
>>
http://owston.blogspot.com/2009/09/geospatial-performance-benchmarks.htm
l
>> 
>
> Ha! This says something ;)
>
> "I find myself spending such a HUGE part of my time getting the
competitive software
> to even "work" to do the test."
>
> How log do any of us take to have a running mapserver or geoserver? ;)
>
> Thanks Bart for letting know.
> All the best.
>   


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] discussion or FUD

[Giovanni Manghi]

On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 16:43 +0200, Guillaume Sueur wrote:
> oups, sorry to have joined a conversation I was not invited in.


Hi,
you get it wrong, the expression "don't feed the trolls" is a common
expression, see

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

cheers

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] discussion or FUD

[Guillaume Sueur]

oups, sorry to have joined a conversation I was not invited in.


Le samedi 10 octobre 2009 à 07:36 -0700, Paul Ramsey a écrit :
> Don't feed the trolls.
> 
> P
> 
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Guillaume Sueur
>  wrote:
> > another one here :
> > http://owston.blogspot.com/2009/05/price-free-of-open-source-software-has.html
> >
> > how can we have ignore that guy for so long ,
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Guillaume
> >
> > Le samedi 10 octobre 2009 à 16:03 +0200, Paolo Cavallini a écrit :
> >> Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS) ha scritto:
> >> > It's a rainy day here and why not read some more of his blog I thought,
> >> > until I encountered:
> >> >
> >> > http://owston.blogspot.com/2009/05/opengeo-team-is-faster-and-better-than.html
> >>
> >> I thought these supposedly large companies had a better recruitment 
> >> methods, avoiding
> >> people that makes "r*e*diculous statement" ;)
> >> All the best.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] discussion or FUD

[Paul Ramsey]

Don't feed the trolls.

P

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Guillaume Sueur
 wrote:
> another one here :
> http://owston.blogspot.com/2009/05/price-free-of-open-source-software-has.html
>
> how can we have ignore that guy for so long ,
>
> Regards,
>
> Guillaume
>
> Le samedi 10 octobre 2009 à 16:03 +0200, Paolo Cavallini a écrit :
>> Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS) ha scritto:
>> > It's a rainy day here and why not read some more of his blog I thought,
>> > until I encountered:
>> >
>> > http://owston.blogspot.com/2009/05/opengeo-team-is-faster-and-better-than.html
>>
>> I thought these supposedly large companies had a better recruitment methods, 
>> avoiding
>> people that makes "r*e*diculous statement" ;)
>> All the best.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] discussion or FUD

[Guillaume Sueur]

another one here :
http://owston.blogspot.com/2009/05/price-free-of-open-source-software-has.html

how can we have ignore that guy for so long , 

Regards,

Guillaume

Le samedi 10 octobre 2009 à 16:03 +0200, Paolo Cavallini a écrit :
> Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS) ha scritto:
> > It's a rainy day here and why not read some more of his blog I thought,
> > until I encountered:
> > 
> > http://owston.blogspot.com/2009/05/opengeo-team-is-faster-and-better-than.html
> 
> I thought these supposedly large companies had a better recruitment methods, 
> avoiding
> people that makes "r*e*diculous statement" ;)
> All the best.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] discussion or FUD

[Paolo Cavallini]

Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS) ha scritto:
> It's a rainy day here and why not read some more of his blog I thought,
> until I encountered:
> 
> http://owston.blogspot.com/2009/05/opengeo-team-is-faster-and-better-than.html

I thought these supposedly large companies had a better recruitment methods, 
avoiding
people that makes "r*e*diculous statement" ;)
All the best.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] discussion or FUD

[Mateusz Loskot]

Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS) wrote:
> It's a rainy day here and why not read some more of his blog I
> thought, until I encountered:
> 
> http://owston.blogspot.com/2009/05/opengeo-team-is-faster-and-better-than.html

It seems to be a voice "on behalf of" ERDAS and as such it surprises me
that the ERDAS company does not protest against adolescent and
provocative gambit of such low quality as presented on that blog.

Best regards,
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Charter Member of OSGeo, http://osgeo.org
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] discussion or FUD

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

It's a rainy day here and why not read some more of his blog I thought, 
until I encountered:


http://owston.blogspot.com/2009/05/opengeo-team-is-faster-and-better-than.html

Best regards,
Bart

Paolo Cavallini wrote:

Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS) ha scritto:
  

Thanks for attending us to this thread Paolo.

FUD is the word for sure. More fud from the same guy on the benchmark
exercise:

http://owston.blogspot.com/2009/09/geospatial-performance-benchmarks.html



Ha! This says something ;)

"I find myself spending such a HUGE part of my time getting the competitive 
software
to even "work" to do the test."

How log do any of us take to have a running mapserver or geoserver? ;)

Thanks Bart for letting know.
All the best.
  



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] discussion or FUD

[Guillaume Sueur]

Le samedi 10 octobre 2009 à 13:11 +0200, Paolo Cavallini a écrit :
> Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS) ha scritto:
> > Thanks for attending us to this thread Paolo.
> > 
> > FUD is the word for sure. More fud from the same guy on the benchmark
> > exercise:
> > 
> > http://owston.blogspot.com/2009/09/geospatial-performance-benchmarks.html
> 
> Ha! This says something ;)

Is this (http://apollo.erdas.com/apollo-client/) what he is talking
aobut ? No kidding ? 

> 
> "I find myself spending such a HUGE part of my time getting the competitive 
> software
> to even "work" to do the test."
> 
> How log do any of us take to have a running mapserver or geoserver? ;)

depends on dependencies. between 10 min  (time to apt-get install
mapserver) and a couple of hours (time to set up a postgis db, set up a
tilecache, tune all the stuffs) most of the time.

Regards
Guillaume

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] discussion or FUD

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

Thanks for attending us to this thread Paolo.

FUD is the word for sure. More fud from the same guy on the benchmark 
exercise:


http://owston.blogspot.com/2009/09/geospatial-performance-benchmarks.html

Best regards,
Bart

Paolo Cavallini wrote:

http://www.linkedin.com/e/vaq/7776133/55322/7269457/view_disc/
I would appreciate if somebody from OSGeo could jump in the discussion - it may 
get
rather pointless, but leaving such FUD around without a reply will not be good 
IMHO.
All the best.
  



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] discussion or FUD

[Mateusz Loskot]

Paolo Cavallini wrote:
> http://www.linkedin.com/e/vaq/7776133/55322/7269457/view_disc/ I
> would appreciate if somebody from OSGeo could jump in the discussion
> - it may get rather pointless, but leaving such FUD around without a
> reply will not be good IMHO.

Paolo,

I have wasted 10 minutes to compile and post my reply.
I understand your frustration, but I'm afraid responding to such
pointless and shallow voices is a waste of time.

It is sad to observe that some people occupying fairly serious
positions are spreading nonsenses around and at the same time
they present no interest in deeper consideration or at least
understanding of subjects they are discussing in details.

If a methodology is properly set, one can discuss any nonsense in
science paper and nobody should blame him. If methodology is screwed
at the beginning, even if the thesis discusses sensible subject,
it will be rubbish. I see no methodical approach in some voices from the
discussion in OGC group on LinkedIn above.

Best regards,
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] discussion or FUD

[Paolo Cavallini]

Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS) ha scritto:
> Thanks for attending us to this thread Paolo.
> 
> FUD is the word for sure. More fud from the same guy on the benchmark
> exercise:
> 
> http://owston.blogspot.com/2009/09/geospatial-performance-benchmarks.html

Ha! This says something ;)

"I find myself spending such a HUGE part of my time getting the competitive 
software
to even "work" to do the test."

How log do any of us take to have a running mapserver or geoserver? ;)

Thanks Bart for letting know.
All the best.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] discussion or FUD

[Chris Puttick]

Happy to oblige - but I'm not a member of whatever group the FUD message is 
posted in...

Chris

- "Paolo Cavallini"  wrote:

> http://www.linkedin.com/e/vaq/7776133/55322/7269457/view_disc/
> I would appreciate if somebody from OSGeo could jump in the discussion
> - it may get
> rather pointless, but leaving such FUD around without a reply will not
> be good IMHO.
> All the best.
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[OSGeo-Discuss] discussion or FUD

[Paolo Cavallini]

http://www.linkedin.com/e/vaq/7776133/55322/7269457/view_disc/
I would appreciate if somebody from OSGeo could jump in the discussion - it may 
get
rather pointless, but leaving such FUD around without a reply will not be good 
IMHO.
All the best.
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