Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS for Application Schema development

[Luí­s Moreira de Sousa]

Dear Kyu-sung,

I was not aware it was possible to close threads at this list. Please leave it 
open, as it appears the discussion is just starting.

Thank you.

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On 20 August 2018 11:18 AM, 최규성  wrote:

> Dear Friends,
>
> Regarding this subject, I've got quite satisfactory answers from many of you 
> including Jorge, Even, Cameron and Ben. It was really helpful and will guide 
> me a way forward. Thanks to all~
>
> Having an explicit consent from Luis, who raised the original request, we may 
> close this incident. Will it be okay?
>
> P.S. Luis Moreira de Sousa: Sorry for my confusion with the name in my 
> previous email.
>
> Best regards,
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS for Application Schema development

[Luí­s Moreira de Sousa]

Dear Ben,

I have worked with Papyrus for nearly a decade. I developed DSMLs on it and 
Eclipse-integrated code generators using MOFM2T supported by Acceleo. It is a 
rather powerful tool, and quite deep, which I imagine is the reason why some 
folk do not fancy it.

I find it tragic to have what is supposed to be an open standard pretty much 
dependent on such an expensive tool as EA, when obvious FOSS alternatives exist.

I shall give a try to ShapeChange with a Papyrus generated XMI.

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On 18 August 2018 2:29 AM, Ben Caradoc-Davies  wrote:

> My recollection is that FullMoon is a tool for converting XMI models
> into XSD schemas. If I recall correctly, the users I worked with all
> used Sparx Enterprise Architect to generate XMI models.
>
> The GeoSciML maintainers publish Enterprise Architect UML .eap files:
> http://www.geosciml.org/
>
> I have dabbled with several open source UML editors with XMI support but
> do not like any of them enough to mention their names, let alone
> recommend them.
>
> Kind regards,
> Ben.
>
> On 18/08/18 11:52, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>
> > A number of years back there was an Australian government sponsored
> > development of developing application schemas and open source tools.
> > At the time I was involved in it, the tools were functional and
> > powerful, but still needed polish and were hard to get going.
> > Here are some details to the project:
> > https://www.seegrid.csiro.au/wiki/Siss/FullMoon
> > Hopefully some of the people involved in the project can add more
> > details. (Hello Rob Atkinson?)
> > On 17/8/18 6:06 pm, Jorge S Mendes de Jesus wrote:
> >
> > > Hi to all
> > > I am going to reply  to this thread with a big disclaimer: Never
> > > tested or serious read the docs
> > > With this tool:
> > > https://shapechange.net/
> > > If you have a UML model in XMI format you could probably use it to
> > > generate a Application Schema
> > > So far I havent found serious documentation***(for dummies**) *on how
> > > to do an application schema aside from some docs from OGC of already
> > > "standards" using application schema
> > > (https://portal.opengeospatial.org/files/?artifact_id=31065)
> > > Also, there is an ISO that could contain interesting information
> > > ISO 19109:2015 - Geographic information -- Rules for application schema
> > > But again pay wall to have access to information that IMHO should be
> > > open source
> > > Jorge
> > > On 17-08-18 09:55, 최규성 wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear All,
> > > > I agree with Bart's understanding in the attached reply mail.
> > > > While the original subject raised by Bart has been also of my great
> > > > interest, this seems to get less attention from the Discussion List
> > > > members. I myself have no good idea other than Enterprise Architect
> > > > by Sparx Systems. Is there anybody who can answer more about Bart's
> > > > questions;
> > > >
> > > > -   Is there any FOSS alternative?
> > > > -   What would be in general the FOSS way of developing an application
> > > > schema?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hoping to get feedbacks... Thanks in advance,
> > > > Kyu-sung Choi
> > > > EZMapping, Seoul, Korea (M. +82-10-5414-4374)
> > > >
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS for Application Schema development (Bart van den Eijnden)

[Franz-Josef Behr]

Just to round off: As a commercial tool (and expensive as well) XMLSpy 
comes in my mind.


If the model is not too complex: What I teach my students is just to use 
a text editor of their choice. But this needs very concentrated work.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS for Application Schema development

[최규성]

Dear Friends,

Regarding this subject, I've got quite satisfactory answers from many of
you including Jorge, Even, Cameron and Ben. It was really helpful and will
guide me a way forward. Thanks to all~

Having an explicit consent from Luis, who raised the original request, we
may close this incident. Will it be okay?

P.S. Luis Moreira de Sousa: Sorry for my confusion with the name in my
previous email.

Best regards,

Kyu-sung Choi
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS for Application Schema development

[Ben Caradoc-Davies]

My recollection is that FullMoon is a tool for converting XMI models 
into XSD schemas. If I recall correctly, the users I worked with all 
used Sparx Enterprise Architect to generate XMI models.


The GeoSciML maintainers publish Enterprise Architect UML .eap files:
http://www.geosciml.org/

I have dabbled with several open source UML editors with XMI support but 
do not like any of them enough to mention their names, let alone 
recommend them.


Kind regards,
Ben.

On 18/08/18 11:52, Cameron Shorter wrote:
A number of years back there was an Australian government sponsored 
development of developing application schemas and open source tools.
At the time I was involved in it, the tools were functional and 
powerful, but still needed polish and were hard to get going.


Here are some details to the project:
https://www.seegrid.csiro.au/wiki/Siss/FullMoon

Hopefully some of the people involved in the project can add more 
details. (Hello Rob Atkinson?)




On 17/8/18 6:06 pm, Jorge S Mendes de Jesus wrote:


Hi to all

I am going to reply  to this thread with a big disclaimer: Never 
tested or serious read the docs


With this tool:

https://shapechange.net/

If you have a UML model in XMI format you could probably use it to 
generate a Application Schema



So far I havent found serious documentation***(for dummies**) *on how 
to do an application schema aside from some docs from OGC of already 
"standards" using application schema 
(https://portal.opengeospatial.org/files/?artifact_id=31065)



Also, there is an ISO that could contain interesting information

ISO 19109:2015 - Geographic information -- Rules for application schema

But again pay wall to have access to information that IMHO should be 
open source


Jorge

On 17-08-18 09:55, 최규성 wrote:

Dear All,

I agree with Bart's understanding in the attached reply mail.

While the original subject raised by Bart has been also of my great 
interest, this seems to get less attention from the Discussion List 
members. I myself have no good idea other than Enterprise Architect 
by Sparx Systems. Is there anybody who can answer more about Bart's 
questions;

- Is there any FOSS alternative?
- What would be in general the FOSS way of developing an application 
schema?


Hoping to get feedbacks... Thanks in advance,

Kyu-sung Choi
EZMapping, Seoul, Korea (M. +82-10-5414-4374)



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS for Application Schema development

[Cameron Shorter]

A number of years back there was an Australian government sponsored 
development of developing application schemas and open source tools.
At the time I was involved in it, the tools were functional and 
powerful, but still needed polish and were hard to get going.


Here are some details to the project:
https://www.seegrid.csiro.au/wiki/Siss/FullMoon

Hopefully some of the people involved in the project can add more 
details. (Hello Rob Atkinson?)




On 17/8/18 6:06 pm, Jorge S Mendes de Jesus wrote:


Hi to all

I am going to reply  to this thread with a big disclaimer: Never 
tested or serious read the docs


With this tool:

https://shapechange.net/

If you have a UML model in XMI format you could probably use it to 
generate a Application Schema



So far I havent found serious documentation***(for dummies**) *on how 
to do an application schema aside from some docs from OGC of already 
"standards" using application schema 
(https://portal.opengeospatial.org/files/?artifact_id=31065)



Also, there is an ISO that could contain interesting information

ISO 19109:2015 - Geographic information -- Rules for application schema

But again pay wall to have access to information that IMHO should be 
open source


Jorge

On 17-08-18 09:55, 최규성 wrote:

Dear All,

I agree with Bart's understanding in the attached reply mail.

While the original subject raised by Bart has been also of my great 
interest, this seems to get less attention from the Discussion List 
members. I myself have no good idea other than Enterprise Architect 
by Sparx Systems. Is there anybody who can answer more about Bart's 
questions;

- Is there any FOSS alternative?
- What would be in general the FOSS way of developing an application 
schema?


Hoping to get feedbacks... Thanks in advance,

Kyu-sung Choi
EZMapping, Seoul, Korea (M. +82-10-5414-4374)



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS for Application Schema development

[Even Rouault]

Hi,

Looking at one existing GeoSciML schema, I see a mention it was generated by 
ShapeChange, a GPL tool :

https://shapechange.net/get-started/

Even

> Dear all,
> 
> I would like to develop a GML application schema [0] from an existing domain
> model. This is essentially an XSD file that can later be used by a WFS
> server like GeoServer. I am only aware of the Geospatial extension to
> Enterprise Architect [0], a tool that costs tens of thousands of euros.
> 
> Is there any FOSS alternative? What would be in general the FOSS way of
> developing an application schema?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> [0] http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/gml
> 
> [1]
> http://www.sparxsystems.com/enterprise_architect_user_guide/12.1/geospatial
> _modeling/generate_gml_application_schem.html --
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS for Application Schema development

[Jorge S Mendes de Jesus]

Hi to all

I am going to reply  to this thread with a big disclaimer: Never tested 
or serious read the docs


With this tool:

https://shapechange.net/

If you have a UML model in XMI format you could probably use it to 
generate a Application Schema



So far I havent found serious documentation***(for dummies**) *on how to 
do an application schema aside from some docs from OGC of already 
"standards" using application schema 
(https://portal.opengeospatial.org/files/?artifact_id=31065)



Also, there is an ISO that could contain interesting information

ISO 19109:2015 - Geographic information -- Rules for application schema

But again pay wall to have access to information that IMHO should be 
open source


Jorge

On 17-08-18 09:55, 최규성 wrote:

Dear All,

I agree with Bart's understanding in the attached reply mail.

While the original subject raised by Bart has been also of my great 
interest, this seems to get less attention from the Discussion List 
members. I myself have no good idea other than Enterprise Architect by 
Sparx Systems. Is there anybody who can answer more about Bart's 
questions;

- Is there any FOSS alternative?
- What would be in general the FOSS way of developing an application 
schema?


Hoping to get feedbacks... Thanks in advance,

Kyu-sung Choi
EZMapping, Seoul, Korea (M. +82-10-5414-4374)



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS for Application Schema development

[최규성]

Dear All,

I agree with Bart's understanding in the attached reply mail.

While the original subject raised by Bart has been also of my great
interest, this seems to get less attention from the Discussion List
members. I myself have no good idea other than Enterprise Architect by
Sparx Systems. Is there anybody who can answer more about Bart's questions;
- Is there any FOSS alternative?
- What would be in general the FOSS way of developing an application schema?

Hoping to get feedbacks... Thanks in advance,

Kyu-sung Choi
EZMapping, Seoul, Korea (M. +82-10-5414-4374)
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS for Application Schema development

[Luí­s Moreira de Sousa]

Dear Bart,

thank you for the reply. If I understand correctly, HALE is an ETL, not a 
development tool. I.e., it can extract an XSD schema from an existing data 
store, but it does not allow the development of a domain specific model, for 
instance with an application schema UML profile. Correct me if I am wrong, but 
it looks like something quite different from Enterprise Architect.

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On 15 August 2018 1:03 PM, Bart van den Eijnden  wrote:

> What about HALE?
>
> https://www.wetransform.to/products/halestudio/
>
> Best regards,
>
> Bart
>
> On 15-08-18 12:40, Luí­s Moreira de Sousa wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I would like to develop a GML application schema [0] from an existing domain 
>> model. This is essentially an XSD file that can later be used by a WFS 
>> server like GeoServer. I am only aware of the Geospatial extension to 
>> Enterprise Architect [0], a tool that costs tens of thousands of euros.
>>
>> Is there any FOSS alternative? What would be in general the FOSS way of 
>> developing an application schema?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> [0] http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/gml
>>
>> [1] 
>> http://www.sparxsystems.com/enterprise_architect_user_guide/12.1/geospatial_modeling/generate_gml_application_schem.html
>> --
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS for Application Schema development

[Bart van den Eijnden]

What about HALE?

https://www.wetransform.to/products/halestudio/

Best regards,

Bart


On 15-08-18 12:40, Luí­s Moreira de Sousa wrote:

Dear all,

I would like to develop a GML application schema [0] from an existing 
domain model. This is essentially an XSD file that can later be used 
by a WFS server like GeoServer. I am only aware of the Geospatial 
extension to Enterprise Architect [0], a tool that costs tens of 
thousands of euros.


Is there any FOSS alternative? What would be in general the FOSS way 
of developing an application schema?


Thank you.

[0] http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/gml

[1] 
http://www.sparxsystems.com/enterprise_architect_user_guide/12.1/geospatial_modeling/generate_gml_application_schem.html

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