Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas
Hi Barry and others, Is Open Source Geospatial Atlas idea still alive? I hope so. Just to remind this good idea ... best regards, Robert On 05.08.2012 19:05, Barry Rowlingson wrote: For all those interested in the atlas project, I've started up a github site: https://github.com/barryrowlingson/osgeoatlas The .tex file there isn't compilable as it stands because the included map.pdf files aren't included, they are kinda large and I didn't want to clog the repo up with them. Maybe I could. Anyway. In the downloads is a compiled pdf - it uses the latex-tufte style and looks quite lovely. If only the maps were, I just did a couple of quick print composers in Qgis as proof-of-concept. They won't make the final cut. Please add comments and ideas as issues on the github tracker. Barry ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Robert Szczepanek rob...@szczepanek.pl wrote: Hi Barry and others, Is Open Source Geospatial Atlas idea still alive? I hope so. Just to remind this good idea ... There were opinions that a printed atlas wouldn't be a worthwhile project due to quality, cost, effort and 'print is dead we're doing all our maps on the interwebs now' considerations. There should be a map exhibition at FOSS4G2013 in September, which will include mostly online map projects and some kind of video wall of mapping goodness. I've left the curation of this to other rmembers of the conference team. Barey ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas
Very interesting idea put forth by Barry. Would be great to see involvement from Local Chapters so that the Atlas could present contents other languages too. BTW, a Japanese company received Good Design Award for its maps that were prepared using FOSS4G tools some years ago (See http://www.g-mark.org/award/detail.php?id=35961 in Japanese). Also, I see a whole bunch of great maps using French opendata and FOSS4G technologies at http://opendata.mapmint.com/public/france Best Venka On 2012/08/06 2:05, Barry Rowlingson wrote: For all those interested in the atlas project, I've started up a github site: https://github.com/barryrowlingson/osgeoatlas The .tex file there isn't compilable as it stands because the included map.pdf files aren't included, they are kinda large and I didn't want to clog the repo up with them. Maybe I could. Anyway. In the downloads is a compiled pdf - it uses the latex-tufte style and looks quite lovely. If only the maps were, I just did a couple of quick print composers in Qgis as proof-of-concept. They won't make the final cut. Please add comments and ideas as issues on the github tracker. Barry ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas
For all those interested in the atlas project, I've started up a github site: https://github.com/barryrowlingson/osgeoatlas The .tex file there isn't compilable as it stands because the included map.pdf files aren't included, they are kinda large and I didn't want to clog the repo up with them. Maybe I could. Anyway. In the downloads is a compiled pdf - it uses the latex-tufte style and looks quite lovely. If only the maps were, I just did a couple of quick print composers in Qgis as proof-of-concept. They won't make the final cut. Please add comments and ideas as issues on the github tracker. Barry ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas
Hi Folks, Hi Guys, I agree totally with everything that has been said. I don't have a problem with using multiple applications to conduct my GIS work. I do all the time. I suppose the issue is what the purpose of the Atlas will be. To promote fosGIS or promote Open Source. I was under the impression it was the former and so I suggested not using Inkscape. I presumed, the Atlas would illustrate what most mere mortals could do with fosGIS rather than show what some creative genius can achieve. If however the task is to create beautiful maps using whatever open source package comes to hand then by all means incorporate Inkscape manipulated images -- it seems to be the preferred tool for manipulating maps generated by a whole raft of fosGIS packages. -- Cheers Simon I view this exercise as a Howto on creating great maps with open source geospatial software. As part of the effort, I would assume that there would be text included that walked one through the map creation process, including steps where tools such as Inkscape were used to enhance the visual impact. To me, telling how it was done with open source geospatial tools is as important as that it was done with open source geospatial tools. Doug Doug Newcomb USFWS Raleigh, NC 919-856-4520 ext. 14 doug_newc...@fws.gov - The opinions I express are my own and are not representative of the official policy of the U.S.Fish and Wildlife Service or Dept. of the Interior. Life is too short for undocumented, proprietary data formats.___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas
On 07/31/2012 12:57 PM, doug_newc...@fws.gov wrote: Hi Folks, Hi Guys, I agree totally with everything that has been said. I don't have a problem with using multiple applications to conduct my GIS work. I do all the time. I suppose the issue is what the purpose of the Atlas will be. To promote fosGIS or promote Open Source. I was under the impression it was the former and so I suggested not using Inkscape. I presumed, the Atlas would illustrate what most mere mortals could do with fosGIS rather than show what some creative genius can achieve. If however the task is to create beautiful maps using whatever open source package comes to hand then by all means incorporate Inkscape manipulated images -- it seems to be the preferred tool for manipulating maps generated by a whole raft of fosGIS packages. -- Cheers Simon I view this exercise as a Howto on creating great maps with open source geospatial software. As part of the effort, I would assume that there would be text included that walked one through the map creation process, including steps where tools such as Inkscape were used to enhance the visual impact. To me, telling how it was done with open source geospatial tools is as important as that it was done with open source geospatial tools. ... and the resulting breadcrumb track of processing steps and software used to process the data will be metadata that is worth it's name. Btw: OdbL will be a great enabler for this because it requires to maintain this breadcrumb track when publishing the results. Doug Doug Newcomb USFWS Raleigh, NC 919-856-4520 ext. 14 doug_newc...@fws.gov - The opinions I express are my own and are not representative of the official policy of the U.S.Fish and Wildlife Service or Dept. of the Interior. Life is too short for undocumented, proprietary data formats. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Exploring Space, Time and Mind http://arnulf.us ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas
On Jul 31, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) se...@arnulf.us wrote: Btw: OdbL will be a great enabler for this because it requires to maintain this breadcrumb track when publishing the results. Confused as to how ODbL (http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/) is relevant here. Unless, you mean the Old Dominion Baseball League (http://www.acronymfinder.com/Old-Dominion-Baseball-League-(Virginia)-(ODBL).html) -- Puneet Kishor ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas
To me, telling how it was done with open source geospatial tools is as important as that it was done with open source geospatial tools. I agree with Doug and others on this point. Those ESRI map books are 'pretty', but (much like the software) have little or no transparency in that they don't include any details about the cartographic techniques, design principles, or data processing rationales used. They do not serve any educational purpose for the software users, other than to show that it is possible to produce such a product - without providing any hints as to how. An OSGEO map book definitely should help educate. This would make it a superior product - even if some of the maps aren't quite as 'pretty' as those in the ESRI map book :) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:26 PM, julia harrell julia.harr...@gmail.com wrote: This would make it a superior product - even if some of the maps aren't quite as 'pretty' as those in the ESRI map book :) Why wouldn't they be as pretty? You're exhibiting the very prejudice I'd like to exterminate! :) Actually it's probably an effect caused by weight-of-numbers and there being more professional carto types using commercial software. Barry -- blog: http://geospaced.blogspot.com/ web: http://www.maths.lancs.ac.uk/~rowlings web: http://www.rowlingson.com/ twitter: http://twitter.com/geospacedman pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/spacedman ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas
I did not suggest that *all* the maps would not be as 'pretty'. I said that even if *some* of them weren't as pretty, that they'd still be superior products if they included information on how they were created and the design principles used, etc. I think we are all aware that it is (for the moment) still a bit more of a challenge to get really beautiful cartographic output from some (but not all) open source GIS software products. On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Barry Rowlingson b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:26 PM, julia harrell julia.harr...@gmail.com wrote: This would make it a superior product - even if some of the maps aren't quite as 'pretty' as those in the ESRI map book :) Why wouldn't they be as pretty? You're exhibiting the very prejudice I'd like to exterminate! :) Actually it's probably an effect caused by weight-of-numbers and there being more professional carto types using commercial software. Barry -- blog: http://geospaced.blogspot.com/ web: http://www.maths.lancs.ac.uk/~rowlings web: http://www.rowlingson.com/ twitter: http://twitter.com/geospacedman pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/spacedman ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas
Yes, and those carto types have workflows that are geared towards how ESRI spits out ai/vector graphics. From my experience, it's much easier to get open source GIS involved through map/database server work or data processing/analysis rather then cartography. I end up doing much of the cartography myself, which I'm sure is NOT suitable for any type of atlas! I agree with what people are saying about adding the metadata, processing steps, etc... making this product better than the ESRI Map Books. Only if you can get enough contributions and it makes sense though. In many cases, for very nice looking maps, the person doing the GIS work may not be the same as the one doing the carto work. And sometimes those processing steps are too complicated or convoluted to write down neatly. It might be obvious but the more you require/add to the atlas, the more effort required by the contributors. - John *** John Callahan, Research Scientist Delaware Geological Survey, University of Delaware URL: http://www.dgs.udel.edu * On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Barry Rowlingson b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:26 PM, julia harrell julia.harr...@gmail.com wrote: This would make it a superior product - even if some of the maps aren't quite as 'pretty' as those in the ESRI map book :) Why wouldn't they be as pretty? You're exhibiting the very prejudice I'd like to exterminate! :) Actually it's probably an effect caused by weight-of-numbers and there being more professional carto types using commercial software. Barry -- blog: http://geospaced.blogspot.com/ web: http://www.maths.lancs.ac.uk/~rowlings web: http://www.rowlingson.com/ twitter: http://twitter.com/geospacedman pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/spacedman ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas
And sometimes those processing steps are too complicated or convoluted to write down neatly. It might be but the more you require/add to the atlas, the more effort required by the contributors. very true. maybe all the gory technical detail does not all have to be included in the book itself. a short write up that includes a url pointing to a more detailed how-to wiki page, or possibly even a screen capture video might work just as well ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas
On 07/31/2012 02:48 PM, julia harrell wrote: I did not suggest that *all* the maps would not be as 'pretty'. I said that even if *some* of them weren't as pretty, that they'd still be superior products if they included information on how they were created and the design principles used, etc. I think we are all aware that it is (for the moment) still a bit more of a challenge to get really beautiful cartographic output from some (but not all) open source GIS software products. On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Barry Rowlingson b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:26 PM, julia harrell julia.harr...@gmail.com wrote: This would make it a superior product - even if some of the maps aren't quite as 'pretty' as those in the ESRI map book :) Why wouldn't they be as pretty? You're exhibiting the very prejudice I'd like to exterminate! :) Actually it's probably an effect caused by weight-of-numbers and there being more professional carto types using commercial software. ...it's proprietary software. The term commercial software is misleading. http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Commercial_Software Thanks for your patience with me... Arnulf Barry -- blog: http://geospaced.blogspot.com/ web: http://www.maths.lancs.ac.uk/~rowlings web: http://www.rowlingson.com/ twitter: http://twitter.com/geospacedman pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/spacedman ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Exploring Space, Time and Mind http://arnulf.us ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas
On 07/31/2012 02:14 PM, Mr. Puneet Kishor wrote: On Jul 31, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) se...@arnulf.us wrote: Btw: OdbL will be a great enabler for this because it requires to maintain this breadcrumb track when publishing the results. Confused as to how ODbL (http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/) is relevant here. Unless, you mean the Old Dominion Baseball League (http://www.acronymfinder.com/Old-Dominion-Baseball-League-(Virginia)-(ODBL).html) http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/1.0/ [BOF] 4.6 Access to Derivative Databases. If You Publicly Use a Derivative Database or a Produced Work from a Derivative Database, You must also offer to recipients of the Derivative Database or Produced Work a copy in a machine readable form of: a. The entire Derivative Database; or b. A file containing all of the alterations made to the Database or the method of making the alterations to the Database (such as an algorithm), including any additional Contents, that make up all the differences between the Database and the Derivative Database. [EOF] So whenever you create a derivative database you can simply add the breadcrumb track of how you did it and Voila, the license conditions have been met, happy. In my mind one of the greatest sections in OdbL (an admittedly narrowly metadata focused mind). Cheers, Arnulf -- Exploring Space, Time and Mind http://arnulf.us ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 1:49 AM, Simon Cropper simoncrop...@fossworkflowguides.com wrote: I think it important however that people *do not* use Inkscape, unless of course it is being put up as an fosGIS package. Using Inkscape has come about due to the inherent deficiencies in map production in various packages. Any maps produced for such a book need to be produced solely using the package they are meant to be showcasing. Otherwise the resulting map is not representative of what can be produced using a particular GIS package but rather the artistic skill of the cartographer! [ Can the people discussing Arnulf's public geospatial data committee stuff please change their subject line and start a new thread? thx ] Hi Simon, if I was worried about having too many maps for the atlas then I'd consider putting more restrictions on the entries. However my fear is having too few. Plus it is indeed partly intended to show artistic skill and as long as the work is substantially created using open-source software then I wouldn't reject it. Aspects of commercial cartography are still done outside of commercial GIS - eg by loading Windows Metafiles from a GIS into Adobe Illustrator - and I see no reason why that workflow can't be allowed for Open Source Cartography. I don't think Open Source GIS needs to be Open Source GIS Plus Desktop Publishing. Also, we get to highlight integration between open source projects that is facilitated by Open Standards, and those standards are going beyond spatial standards (such as using SVG to go between Qgis and Inkscape). Barry ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas
Oops folks, it's fossgisbrasil.com.br. We are publishing each quarter; Thanks for the complements. On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 6:46 AM, Nathan Woodrow madman...@gmail.com wrote: Barry, This sounds like a good idea, I would be happy to contribute something. I have two ESRI map books at work that I sometimes use to get an idea on how other people visualize different data sets. - Nathan On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Barry Rowlingson b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk wrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 1:49 AM, Simon Cropper simoncrop...@fossworkflowguides.com wrote: I think it important however that people *do not* use Inkscape, unless of course it is being put up as an fosGIS package. Using Inkscape has come about due to the inherent deficiencies in map production in various packages. Any maps produced for such a book need to be produced solely using the package they are meant to be showcasing. Otherwise the resulting map is not representative of what can be produced using a particular GIS package but rather the artistic skill of the cartographer! [ Can the people discussing Arnulf's public geospatial data committee stuff please change their subject line and start a new thread? thx ] Hi Simon, if I was worried about having too many maps for the atlas then I'd consider putting more restrictions on the entries. However my fear is having too few. Plus it is indeed partly intended to show artistic skill and as long as the work is substantially created using open-source software then I wouldn't reject it. Aspects of commercial cartography are still done outside of commercial GIS - eg by loading Windows Metafiles from a GIS into Adobe Illustrator - and I see no reason why that workflow can't be allowed for Open Source Cartography. I don't think Open Source GIS needs to be Open Source GIS Plus Desktop Publishing. Also, we get to highlight integration between open source projects that is facilitated by Open Standards, and those standards are going beyond spatial standards (such as using SVG to go between Qgis and Inkscape). Barry ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- George R. C. Silva Desenvolvimento em GIS http://geoprocessamento.net http://blog.geoprocessamento.net ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas
I think it important however that people *do not* use Inkscape, unless of course it is being put up as an fosGIS package. Using Inkscape has come about due to the inherent deficiencies in map production in various packages. Any maps produced for such a book need to be produced solely using the package they are meant to be showcasing. Otherwise the resulting map is not representative of what can be produced using a particular GIS package but rather the artistic skill of the cartographer! Simon, I strongly disagree here. One of the best things about Open Source tools is that they often follow the Unix Philosophy of being able to have very task specific tools. Cartography is most certainly a very different task than data analysis and I think that tools like InkScape are a very important part of the toolbox. While I do agree that we need to do a better job integrating better cartographic tools into individual pieces of fosGIS packages, it is equally important to me that we create the linkages to make it easier to use complementary tools like InkScape as well. David ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas
On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:28 AM, David William Bitner bit...@gyttja.org wrote: I think it important however that people *do not* use Inkscape, unless of course it is being put up as an fosGIS package. Using Inkscape has come about due to the inherent deficiencies in map production in various packages. Any maps produced for such a book need to be produced solely using the package they are meant to be showcasing. Otherwise the resulting map is not representative of what can be produced using a particular GIS package but rather the artistic skill of the cartographer! Simon, I strongly disagree here. One of the best things about Open Source tools is that they often follow the Unix Philosophy of being able to have very task specific tools. Cartography is most certainly a very different task than data analysis and I think that tools like InkScape are a very important part of the toolbox. While I do agree that we need to do a better job integrating better cartographic tools into individual pieces of fosGIS packages, it is equally important to me that we create the linkages to make it easier to use complementary tools like InkScape as well. Agree with David completely. For example, I can use Perl to create spatial data, but I would not use Perl to create a map. Use the best tool for the job. -- Puneet Kishor___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas
I concur with David here. We publish numerous maps and always use Illustrator (or other design tools) in the workflow process. We are an Arc shop for the map publication work (although I have been able to get QGIS involved in a few places) and have submitted maps to the ESRI Map Books. We just wouldn't publish a map without fine-tuning it in some other design software, regardless of the GIS used. I guess it depends on whether you are showcasing a list of technical features fosGIS software can do, or a cartographically based map product. As long as the software used is clearly listed, I don't think it's realistic to restrict to only the GIS software when producing an atlas. - John On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:28 AM, David William Bitner bit...@gyttja.orgwrote: I think it important however that people *do not* use Inkscape, unless of course it is being put up as an fosGIS package. Using Inkscape has come about due to the inherent deficiencies in map production in various packages. Any maps produced for such a book need to be produced solely using the package they are meant to be showcasing. Otherwise the resulting map is not representative of what can be produced using a particular GIS package but rather the artistic skill of the cartographer! Simon, I strongly disagree here. One of the best things about Open Source tools is that they often follow the Unix Philosophy of being able to have very task specific tools. Cartography is most certainly a very different task than data analysis and I think that tools like InkScape are a very important part of the toolbox. While I do agree that we need to do a better job integrating better cartographic tools into individual pieces of fosGIS packages, it is equally important to me that we create the linkages to make it easier to use complementary tools like InkScape as well. David ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas
On 30/07/12 02:07, Barry Rowlingson wrote: Okay, next steps - can I start a page on the OSgeo wiki? What do I need to get an official OSgeo stamp of approval and use the logo? Barry, Yes, creating (or extending) a wiki is a good idea. I think you ideas fit in well with the Marketing Pipleline and Marketing Artefact pages we started a while back, alongside the LiveDVD, OSGeo4W, FOSS4G Conferences, etc: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Pipeline http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Artefacts I suggest you then write a wiki defining how someone can contribute to the Geospatial Atlas. Something like: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#How_to_add_a_project_to_OSGeoLive -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Solutions Manager Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas
On 31/07/12 00:53, John Callahan wrote: I concur with David here. We publish numerous maps and always use Illustrator (or other design tools) in the workflow process. We are an Arc shop for the map publication work (although I have been able to get QGIS involved in a few places) and have submitted maps to the ESRI Map Books. We just wouldn't publish a map without fine-tuning it in some other design software, regardless of the GIS used. I guess it depends on whether you are showcasing a list of technical features fosGIS software can do, or a cartographically based map product. As long as the software used is clearly listed, I don't think it's realistic to restrict to only the GIS software when producing an atlas. - John On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:28 AM, David William Bitner bit...@gyttja.org mailto:bit...@gyttja.org wrote: I think it important however that people *do not* use Inkscape, unless of course it is being put up as an fosGIS package. Using Inkscape has come about due to the inherent deficiencies in map production in various packages. Any maps produced for such a book need to be produced solely using the package they are meant to be showcasing. Otherwise the resulting map is not representative of what can be produced using a particular GIS package but rather the artistic skill of the cartographer! Simon, I strongly disagree here. One of the best things about Open Source tools is that they often follow the Unix Philosophy of being able to have very task specific tools. Cartography is most certainly a very different task than data analysis and I think that tools like InkScape are a very important part of the toolbox. While I do agree that we need to do a better job integrating better cartographic tools into individual pieces of fosGIS packages, it is equally important to me that we create the linkages to make it easier to use complementary tools like InkScape as well. David ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Hi Guys, I agree totally with everything that has been said. I don't have a problem with using multiple applications to conduct my GIS work. I do all the time. I suppose the issue is what the purpose of the Atlas will be. To promote fosGIS or promote Open Source. I was under the impression it was the former and so I suggested not using Inkscape. I presumed, the Atlas would illustrate what most mere mortals could do with fosGIS rather than show what some creative genius can achieve. If however the task is to create beautiful maps using whatever open source package comes to hand then by all means incorporate Inkscape manipulated images -- it seems to be the preferred tool for manipulating maps generated by a whole raft of fosGIS packages. -- Cheers Simon Simon Cropper - Open Content Creator Free and Open Source Software Workflow Guides Introduction http://www.fossworkflowguides.com GIS Packages http://www.fossworkflowguides.com/gis bash / Pythonhttp://www.fossworkflowguides.com/scripting ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas
Hi all, thanks for all the comments in the last 24 hours or so. Here's comments on them: How to deal with the data property and rights, ragrding both printing or spreading on the Web ? We'd have to get permission from the authors, but that shouldn't be a problem. I recently edited a conference proceedings for a hundred or so authors. Everyone just has to tick a box or email their consent and state they have permission to give their consent. May be such an initiative should accept maps using OpenData or OSM only ? This might be over-restrictive. I wouldn't be against seeing XYZ data (c) Megacorp Inc - used with permission on a figure if it has been created with open-source tools or also contains some open data. Also, some companies would be willing to help underwrite production costs in exchange for some small ads on the back pages, if we wanted to go that way. Nice idea, but initial production costs are zero with publish-on-demand - its just the time of the editor. Great idea, but a physical book in today's day and age? Perhaps... That said, what about Haha! Sadly there are still geography departments who do 'GIS' and haven't gone all two-point-oh neogeo yet. They still have big glossy books of maps. Of course if nobody wants a physical copy then we don't waste money on print runs with print-on-demand. We can probably make a nice web gallery of low-res versions somewhere too. http://www.cartotalk.com/index.php?showforum=14 That looks like an ideal site to look for contributions. Are you volunteering to advertise for us on there? :) I reckon I'd do the book in LaTeX purely so the typography can match the cartography. The aforementioned conference proceedings was done by converting all the submitted Word documents into PDFs, and then including them in LaTeX so all the other matter (contents, indices etc) looked better than the papers :) Okay, next steps - can I start a page on the OSgeo wiki? What do I need to get an official OSgeo stamp of approval and use the logo? Barry ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas
Really good idea, and great to see so many interested. I offer to act as data licensing advisor / clearinghouse and add what we learn from the process to the OSGeo Wiki. Step one of my planned Public Geospatial Data Committee revival. Step two will be an OSGeo White Paper defining Open Data, VGI, Crowdsourced and so on geospatial data. If there is interest... Cheers, Arnulf -- Arnulf Christl (aka Seven) http://arnulf.us - Reply message - From: nicolas bozon nicolas.bo...@gmail.com To: Michael P. Gerlek m...@flaxen.com Cc: osgeo-discuss discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas Date: Sat, Jul 28, 2012 13:57 Barry, Hi also think it is a really good idea. However, one simple question comes to my mind: How to deal with the data property and rights, ragrding both printing or spreading on the Web ? May be such an initiative should accept maps using OpenData or OSM only ? Best, Nick 2012/7/28 Michael P. Gerlek m...@flaxen.com Barry: This is the coolest idea I've heard in a long time. ESRI does a yearly coffee-table book for Arc-generated maps, the various satellite companies make calendars every year with their best hi-res shots... We should play the game too. Count me in, I'll volunteer to help. .mpg On Jul 28, 2012, at 4:33 AM, Barry Rowlingson b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk wrote: Do you think an atlas of beautiful maps produced with open-source technology (software and data) could be made? Here's what I was thinking: * Put out a proposal for beautiful cartography, stunning maps, and insightful visualisations done with OpenSource applications and/or Open Data. * Collect map proposals as images on a flickr group: http://www.flickr.com/groups/osgeomaps/ * Get enough, have a community vote/expert opinion for the best 50 or so. * Get high-res or vector versions of the winners. * Get authors to write a note for the book, explaining the software, the techniques, and the impact of their work. * Edit them into a glossy colour book, publish on a publish-on-demand site (eg lulu.com). * Give free copies to the authors of the top ten voted maps or maybe all the ones included (I'll pay for these unless someone wants to sponsor it). * Release the PDF under an open license. Of course. * Profit!! [By selling copies on lulu at a small premium for OSGeo] I don't think the production effort is very much, I just wonder if enough people are producing maps that will look good in A4 or larger (we're all about the web these days, right?) and if publicity can be sustained enough to get 50 nice maps. The timeline would be set so we have lots of glossy copies of these sitting around for sale at FOSS4G 2013. Good idea? Or will we just get 45 maps which are stamen.com watercolour backgrounds with some points pasted on? There is a perception which I think we've all heard that Open Source GIS packages can't do cartography, but with a little help from Inkscape I've seen some great-looking maps on posters at conferences. ESRI used to (still do?) produce an Arc/Info atlas (I have a vague memory of something A3-size in our GIS research lab 20 years ago) of maps - surely we can do something like that now. Obviously I'm sticking my hand up to do the work for this, my concern is purely whether we'd get enough entries. I'd like the bar to be quite high. Most of the work is going to be done by the mappers themselves. Shoot. Barry -- blog: http://geospaced.blogspot.com/ web: http://www.maths.lancs.ac.uk/~rowlings web: http://www.rowlingson.com/ twitter: http://twitter.com/geospacedman pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/spacedman ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Also, some companies would be willing to help underwrite production costs in exchange for some small ads on the back pages, if we wanted to go that way. Nice idea, but initial production costs are zero with publish-on-demand - its just the time of the editor. Ah, but you're not thinking big enough :-) We little people might pay for our own copies, sure, but I'd like to have the foundation have a stack of copies of this book: to give to our sponsors, to use as (high-end) marketing material for trade-shows, ... -mpg ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Dear all, I would like to second Arnulf's suggestions for the committee and the white paper. Slight amendment : let's name it Open Geospatial Data Committee. I'd be happy to participate. Best, Dimitris Really good idea, and great to see so many interested. I offer to act as data licensing advisor / clearinghouse and add what we learn from the process to the OSGeo Wiki. Step one of my planned Public Geospatial Data Committee revival. Step two will be an OSGeo White Paper defining Open Data, VGI, Crowdsourced and so on geospatial data. If there is interest... Cheers, Arnulf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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On 30/07/12 02:19, se...@arnulf.us wrote: Really good idea, and great to see so many interested. I offer to act as data licensing advisor / clearinghouse and add what we learn from the process to the OSGeo Wiki. Step one of my planned Public Geospatial Data Committee revival. Step two will be an OSGeo White Paper defining Open Data, VGI, Crowdsourced and so on geospatial data. If there is interest... Cheers, Arnulf -- Arnulf Christl (aka Seven) http://arnulf.us - Reply message - From: nicolas bozon nicolas.bo...@gmail.com To: Michael P. Gerlek m...@flaxen.com Cc: osgeo-discuss discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas Date: Sat, Jul 28, 2012 13:57 Barry, Hi also think it is a really good idea. However, one simple question comes to my mind: How to deal with the data property and rights, ragrding both printing or spreading on the Web ? May be such an initiative should accept maps using OpenData or OSM only ? Best, Nick 2012/7/28 Michael P. Gerlek m...@flaxen.com Barry: This is the coolest idea I've heard in a long time. ESRI does a yearly coffee-table book for Arc-generated maps, the various satellite companies make calendars every year with their best hi-res shots... We should play the game too. Count me in, I'll volunteer to help. .mpg On Jul 28, 2012, at 4:33 AM, Barry Rowlingson b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk wrote: Do you think an atlas of beautiful maps produced with open-source technology (software and data) could be made? Here's what I was thinking: * Put out a proposal for beautiful cartography, stunning maps, and insightful visualisations done with OpenSource applications and/or Open Data. * Collect map proposals as images on a flickr group: http://www.flickr.com/groups/osgeomaps/ * Get enough, have a community vote/expert opinion for the best 50 or so. * Get high-res or vector versions of the winners. * Get authors to write a note for the book, explaining the software, the techniques, and the impact of their work. * Edit them into a glossy colour book, publish on a publish-on-demand site (eg lulu.com). * Give free copies to the authors of the top ten voted maps or maybe all the ones included (I'll pay for these unless someone wants to sponsor it). * Release the PDF under an open license. Of course. * Profit!! [By selling copies on lulu at a small premium for OSGeo] I don't think the production effort is very much, I just wonder if enough people are producing maps that will look good in A4 or larger (we're all about the web these days, right?) and if publicity can be sustained enough to get 50 nice maps. The timeline would be set so we have lots of glossy copies of these sitting around for sale at FOSS4G 2013. Good idea? Or will we just get 45 maps which are stamen.com watercolour backgrounds with some points pasted on? There is a perception which I think we've all heard that Open Source GIS packages can't do cartography, but with a little help from Inkscape I've seen some great-looking maps on posters at conferences. ESRI used to (still do?) produce an Arc/Info atlas (I have a vague memory of something A3-size in our GIS research lab 20 years ago) of maps - surely we can do something like that now. Obviously I'm sticking my hand up to do the work for this, my concern is purely whether we'd get enough entries. I'd like the bar to be quite high. Most of the work is going to be done by the mappers themselves. Shoot. Barry -- blog: http://geospaced.blogspot.com/ web: http://www.maths.lancs.ac.uk/~rowlings web: http://www.rowlingson.com/ twitter: http://twitter.com/geospacedman pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/spacedman ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Hi All, I think a map book is a great way to showcase fosGIS. I also remember the ESRI map book that came with Arcview. Although little help in understanding how the maps were produced it did give you a sense of what could be achieved using the package. I think it important however that people *do not* use Inkscape, unless of course it is being put up as an fosGIS package. Using Inkscape has come about due to the inherent deficiencies in map production in various packages. Any maps produced for such a book need to be produced solely using the package they are meant to be showcasing. Otherwise the resulting map is not representative of what can be produced using a
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The FOSSGIS Brasil magazine (www.fossgisbr.com.br) showcases a open-source produced map each edition. It's hard to get a quality map, because I think, many people get the chills to send their work to us. You'll need some convincing, but it's a great idea. Cheers On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Simon Cropper simoncrop...@fossworkflowguides.com wrote: On 30/07/12 02:19, se...@arnulf.us wrote: Really good idea, and great to see so many interested. I offer to act as data licensing advisor / clearinghouse and add what we learn from the process to the OSGeo Wiki. Step one of my planned Public Geospatial Data Committee revival. Step two will be an OSGeo White Paper defining Open Data, VGI, Crowdsourced and so on geospatial data. If there is interest... Cheers, Arnulf -- Arnulf Christl (aka Seven) http://arnulf.us - Reply message - From: nicolas bozon nicolas.bo...@gmail.com To: Michael P. Gerlek m...@flaxen.com Cc: osgeo-discuss discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas Date: Sat, Jul 28, 2012 13:57 Barry, Hi also think it is a really good idea. However, one simple question comes to my mind: How to deal with the data property and rights, ragrding both printing or spreading on the Web ? May be such an initiative should accept maps using OpenData or OSM only ? Best, Nick 2012/7/28 Michael P. Gerlek m...@flaxen.com Barry: This is the coolest idea I've heard in a long time. ESRI does a yearly coffee-table book for Arc-generated maps, the various satellite companies make calendars every year with their best hi-res shots... We should play the game too. Count me in, I'll volunteer to help. .mpg On Jul 28, 2012, at 4:33 AM, Barry Rowlingson b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk wrote: Do you think an atlas of beautiful maps produced with open-source technology (software and data) could be made? Here's what I was thinking: * Put out a proposal for beautiful cartography, stunning maps, and insightful visualisations done with OpenSource applications and/or Open Data. * Collect map proposals as images on a flickr group: http://www.flickr.com/groups/**osgeomaps/http://www.flickr.com/groups/osgeomaps/ * Get enough, have a community vote/expert opinion for the best 50 or so. * Get high-res or vector versions of the winners. * Get authors to write a note for the book, explaining the software, the techniques, and the impact of their work. * Edit them into a glossy colour book, publish on a publish-on-demand site (eg lulu.com). * Give free copies to the authors of the top ten voted maps or maybe all the ones included (I'll pay for these unless someone wants to sponsor it). * Release the PDF under an open license. Of course. * Profit!! [By selling copies on lulu at a small premium for OSGeo] I don't think the production effort is very much, I just wonder if enough people are producing maps that will look good in A4 or larger (we're all about the web these days, right?) and if publicity can be sustained enough to get 50 nice maps. The timeline would be set so we have lots of glossy copies of these sitting around for sale at FOSS4G 2013. Good idea? Or will we just get 45 maps which are stamen.com watercolour backgrounds with some points pasted on? There is a perception which I think we've all heard that Open Source GIS packages can't do cartography, but with a little help from Inkscape I've seen some great-looking maps on posters at conferences. ESRI used to (still do?) produce an Arc/Info atlas (I have a vague memory of something A3-size in our GIS research lab 20 years ago) of maps - surely we can do something like that now. Obviously I'm sticking my hand up to do the work for this, my concern is purely whether we'd get enough entries. I'd like the bar to be quite high. Most of the work is going to be done by the mappers themselves. Shoot. Barry -- blog: http://geospaced.blogspot.com/ web: http://www.maths.lancs.ac.uk/~**rowlingshttp://www.maths.lancs.ac.uk/~rowlings web: http://www.rowlingson.com/ twitter: http://twitter.com/**geospacedmanhttp://twitter.com/geospacedman pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/**spacedmanhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/spacedman __**_ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/**mailman/listinfo/discusshttp://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss __**_ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/**mailman/listinfo/discusshttp://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss __**_ Discuss mailing list
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On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Dimitris Kotzinos kotz...@csd.uoc.gr wrote: Dear all, I would like to second Arnulf's suggestions for the committee and the white paper. Slight amendment : let's name it Open Geospatial Data Committee. I'd be happy to participate. +1 on an Open Geospatial Data Committee. Count me in as well. Andrew Best, Dimitris Really good idea, and great to see so many interested. I offer to act as data licensing advisor / clearinghouse and add what we learn from the process to the OSGeo Wiki. Step one of my planned Public Geospatial Data Committee revival. Step two will be an OSGeo White Paper defining Open Data, VGI, Crowdsourced and so on geospatial data. If there is interest... Cheers, Arnulf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Andrew Turner t: @ajturner b: http://highearthorbit.com m: 248.982.3609 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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On 30/07/12 11:43, Andrew Turner wrote: On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Dimitris Kotzinos kotz...@csd.uoc.gr wrote: Dear all, I would like to second Arnulf's suggestions for the committee and the white paper. Slight amendment : let's name it Open Geospatial Data Committee. I'd be happy to participate. +1 on an Open Geospatial Data Committee. Count me in as well. Andrew Best, Dimitris Really good idea, and great to see so many interested. I offer to act as data licensing advisor / clearinghouse and add what we learn from the process to the OSGeo Wiki. Step one of my planned Public Geospatial Data Committee revival. Step two will be an OSGeo White Paper defining Open Data, VGI, Crowdsourced and so on geospatial data. If there is interest... Cheers, Arnulf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss +1 I believe in open data and would be very interested being involved in clarifying the definitions and to contribute to any discussions centered around licensing. -- Cheers Simon Simon Cropper - Open Content Creator Free and Open Source Software Workflow Guides Introduction http://www.fossworkflowguides.com GIS Packages http://www.fossworkflowguides.com/gis bash / Pythonhttp://www.fossworkflowguides.com/scripting ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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On Jul 29, 2012, at 9:43 PM, Andrew Turner ajtur...@highearthorbit.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Dimitris Kotzinos kotz...@csd.uoc.gr wrote: Dear all, I would like to second Arnulf's suggestions for the committee and the white paper. Slight amendment : let's name it Open Geospatial Data Committee. I'd be happy to participate. +1 on an Open Geospatial Data Committee. Count me in as well. I am with y'all on that. -- Puneet Kishor ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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+1 Great possibilities for Public-participatory data. From: Simon Cropper simoncrop...@fossworkflowguides.com To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas On 30/07/12 11:43, Andrew Turner wrote: On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Dimitris Kotzinos kotz...@csd.uoc.gr wrote: Dear all, I would like to second Arnulf's suggestions for the committee and the white paper. Slight amendment : let's name it Open Geospatial Data Committee. I'd be happy to participate. +1 on an Open Geospatial Data Committee. Count me in as well. Andrew Best, Dimitris Really good idea, and great to see so many interested. I offer to act as data licensing advisor / clearinghouse and add what we learn from the process to the OSGeo Wiki. Step one of my planned Public Geospatial Data Committee revival. Step two will be an OSGeo White Paper defining Open Data, VGI, Crowdsourced and so on geospatial data. If there is interest... Cheers, Arnulf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss +1 I believe in open data and would be very interested being involved in clarifying the definitions and to contribute to any discussions centered around licensing. -- Cheers Simon Simon Cropper - Open Content Creator Free and Open Source Software Workflow Guides Introduction http://www.fossworkflowguides.com GIS Packages http://www.fossworkflowguides.com/gis bash / Python http://www.fossworkflowguides.com/scripting ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Barry, Hi also think it is a really good idea. However, one simple question comes to my mind: How to deal with the data property and rights, ragrding both printing or spreading on the Web ? May be such an initiative should accept maps using OpenData or OSM only ? Best, Nick 2012/7/28 Michael P. Gerlek m...@flaxen.com Barry: This is the coolest idea I've heard in a long time. ESRI does a yearly coffee-table book for Arc-generated maps, the various satellite companies make calendars every year with their best hi-res shots... We should play the game too. Count me in, I'll volunteer to help. .mpg On Jul 28, 2012, at 4:33 AM, Barry Rowlingson b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk wrote: Do you think an atlas of beautiful maps produced with open-source technology (software and data) could be made? Here's what I was thinking: * Put out a proposal for beautiful cartography, stunning maps, and insightful visualisations done with OpenSource applications and/or Open Data. * Collect map proposals as images on a flickr group: http://www.flickr.com/groups/osgeomaps/ * Get enough, have a community vote/expert opinion for the best 50 or so. * Get high-res or vector versions of the winners. * Get authors to write a note for the book, explaining the software, the techniques, and the impact of their work. * Edit them into a glossy colour book, publish on a publish-on-demand site (eg lulu.com). * Give free copies to the authors of the top ten voted maps or maybe all the ones included (I'll pay for these unless someone wants to sponsor it). * Release the PDF under an open license. Of course. * Profit!! [By selling copies on lulu at a small premium for OSGeo] I don't think the production effort is very much, I just wonder if enough people are producing maps that will look good in A4 or larger (we're all about the web these days, right?) and if publicity can be sustained enough to get 50 nice maps. The timeline would be set so we have lots of glossy copies of these sitting around for sale at FOSS4G 2013. Good idea? Or will we just get 45 maps which are stamen.com watercolour backgrounds with some points pasted on? There is a perception which I think we've all heard that Open Source GIS packages can't do cartography, but with a little help from Inkscape I've seen some great-looking maps on posters at conferences. ESRI used to (still do?) produce an Arc/Info atlas (I have a vague memory of something A3-size in our GIS research lab 20 years ago) of maps - surely we can do something like that now. Obviously I'm sticking my hand up to do the work for this, my concern is purely whether we'd get enough entries. I'd like the bar to be quite high. Most of the work is going to be done by the mappers themselves. Shoot. Barry -- blog: http://geospaced.blogspot.com/ web: http://www.maths.lancs.ac.uk/~rowlings web: http://www.rowlingson.com/ twitter: http://twitter.com/geospacedman pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/spacedman ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Great idea, I was just thinking that we need to add something exciting and new that promotes OSGeo. The OSGeo live disk certainly does that, but this would place more emphasis on data/art/style. I know there is a large segment within OSGeo that would like to focus more on education and academia - documenting how some of these examples are put together could possibly focus on that. Mark On Jul 28, 2012, at 7:51 AM, Michael P. Gerlek m...@flaxen.com wrote: Barry: This is the coolest idea I've heard in a long time. ESRI does a yearly coffee-table book for Arc-generated maps, the various satellite companies make calendars every year with their best hi-res shots... We should play the game too. Count me in, I'll volunteer to help. .mpg On Jul 28, 2012, at 4:33 AM, Barry Rowlingson b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk wrote: Do you think an atlas of beautiful maps produced with open-source technology (software and data) could be made? Here's what I was thinking: * Put out a proposal for beautiful cartography, stunning maps, and insightful visualisations done with OpenSource applications and/or Open Data. * Collect map proposals as images on a flickr group: http://www.flickr.com/groups/osgeomaps/ * Get enough, have a community vote/expert opinion for the best 50 or so. * Get high-res or vector versions of the winners. * Get authors to write a note for the book, explaining the software, the techniques, and the impact of their work. * Edit them into a glossy colour book, publish on a publish-on-demand site (eg lulu.com). * Give free copies to the authors of the top ten voted maps or maybe all the ones included (I'll pay for these unless someone wants to sponsor it). * Release the PDF under an open license. Of course. * Profit!! [By selling copies on lulu at a small premium for OSGeo] I don't think the production effort is very much, I just wonder if enough people are producing maps that will look good in A4 or larger (we're all about the web these days, right?) and if publicity can be sustained enough to get 50 nice maps. The timeline would be set so we have lots of glossy copies of these sitting around for sale at FOSS4G 2013. Good idea? Or will we just get 45 maps which are stamen.com watercolour backgrounds with some points pasted on? There is a perception which I think we've all heard that Open Source GIS packages can't do cartography, but with a little help from Inkscape I've seen some great-looking maps on posters at conferences. ESRI used to (still do?) produce an Arc/Info atlas (I have a vague memory of something A3-size in our GIS research lab 20 years ago) of maps - surely we can do something like that now. Obviously I'm sticking my hand up to do the work for this, my concern is purely whether we'd get enough entries. I'd like the bar to be quite high. Most of the work is going to be done by the mappers themselves. Shoot. Barry -- blog: http://geospaced.blogspot.com/ web: http://www.maths.lancs.ac.uk/~rowlings web: http://www.rowlingson.com/ twitter: http://twitter.com/geospacedman pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/spacedman ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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On Jul 28, 2012, at 7:33 AM, Barry Rowlingson b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk wrote: Do you think an atlas of beautiful maps produced with open-source technology (software and data) could be made? Here's what I was thinking: .. Great idea, but a physical book in today's day and age? Perhaps... That said, what about http://www.radicalcartography.net http://www.cartotalk.com/index.php?showforum=14 -- Puneet Kishor ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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cool idea! i love to bring this book to my regular fossgeo promotion rounds. On Jul 28, 2012 8:46 PM, nicolas bozon nicolas.bo...@gmail.com wrote: Great ideas ! I think if the input format is generic enough (LateX, or Sphinx may be..), we would be able to provide such a maps collection (images+txt) as both Print, HTML, EPub or what ever (may be at different prices too). It'd be a great tool to promote both open source geospatial software and open geospatial data according to me, and yes, as Barry suggested, why not try to make profit out of this, for OSGeo. My 0.02 € Best, Nick 2012/7/28 Mr. Puneet Kishor punk.k...@gmail.com On Jul 28, 2012, at 7:33 AM, Barry Rowlingson b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk wrote: Do you think an atlas of beautiful maps produced with open-source technology (software and data) could be made? Here's what I was thinking: .. Great idea, but a physical book in today's day and age? Perhaps... That said, what about http://www.radicalcartography.net http://www.cartotalk.com/index.php?showforum=14 -- Puneet Kishor ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas
Very good idea. It would be also interesting if map creation instructions on the book could be demonstrated using OSGeoLive and the tools provided in it. This way the Live DVD could be distributed with the book (and vise versa). Thoughts? Angelos On 07/28/2012 03:07 PM, Mark Lucas wrote: Great idea, I was just thinking that we need to add something exciting and new that promotes OSGeo. The OSGeo live disk certainly does that, but this would place more emphasis on data/art/style. I know there is a large segment within OSGeo that would like to focus more on education and academia - documenting how some of these examples are put together could possibly focus on that. Mark On Jul 28, 2012, at 7:51 AM, Michael P. Gerlek m...@flaxen.com wrote: Barry: This is the coolest idea I've heard in a long time. ESRI does a yearly coffee-table book for Arc-generated maps, the various satellite companies make calendars every year with their best hi-res shots... We should play the game too. Count me in, I'll volunteer to help. .mpg On Jul 28, 2012, at 4:33 AM, Barry Rowlingson b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk wrote: Do you think an atlas of beautiful maps produced with open-source technology (software and data) could be made? Here's what I was thinking: * Put out a proposal for beautiful cartography, stunning maps, and insightful visualisations done with OpenSource applications and/or Open Data. * Collect map proposals as images on a flickr group: http://www.flickr.com/groups/osgeomaps/ * Get enough, have a community vote/expert opinion for the best 50 or so. * Get high-res or vector versions of the winners. * Get authors to write a note for the book, explaining the software, the techniques, and the impact of their work. * Edit them into a glossy colour book, publish on a publish-on-demand site (eg lulu.com). * Give free copies to the authors of the top ten voted maps or maybe all the ones included (I'll pay for these unless someone wants to sponsor it). * Release the PDF under an open license. Of course. * Profit!! [By selling copies on lulu at a small premium for OSGeo] I don't think the production effort is very much, I just wonder if enough people are producing maps that will look good in A4 or larger (we're all about the web these days, right?) and if publicity can be sustained enough to get 50 nice maps. The timeline would be set so we have lots of glossy copies of these sitting around for sale at FOSS4G 2013. Good idea? Or will we just get 45 maps which are stamen.com watercolour backgrounds with some points pasted on? There is a perception which I think we've all heard that Open Source GIS packages can't do cartography, but with a little help from Inkscape I've seen some great-looking maps on posters at conferences. ESRI used to (still do?) produce an Arc/Info atlas (I have a vague memory of something A3-size in our GIS research lab 20 years ago) of maps - surely we can do something like that now. Obviously I'm sticking my hand up to do the work for this, my concern is purely whether we'd get enough entries. I'd like the bar to be quite high. Most of the work is going to be done by the mappers themselves. Shoot. Barry -- blog: http://geospaced.blogspot.com/ web: http://www.maths.lancs.ac.uk/~rowlings web: http://www.rowlingson.com/ twitter: http://twitter.com/geospacedman pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/spacedman ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Angelos Tzotsos Remote Sensing Laboratory National Technical University of Athens http://users.ntua.gr/tzotsos ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
