Re: [slim] Headphone listen - HOW?
pski;558874 Wrote: If #2 is true, it seems the risk is very low percentage given the few who can afford and then buy transporters. By the way, a good deal of the time S'boxen don't play the music loud enough to listen. (This with the player settings for such set as disabled.) P This issue can affect all software players, not just the TP! If your music isn't loud enough when the SB and amp are on full, you need a bigger amp (much bigger - say 10x bigger in terms of RMS watts) or more efficient speakers (a much more economical solution) or more sensitive ears (probably not an option...) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80088 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Headphone listen - HOW?
Phil Leigh;558759 Wrote: Also, you should NEVER have the TP volume control set lower than about 75-80 or you are losing sound quality. I think Phil is being a little over-cautious here. For sure, excessive digital attenuation in the TP does sacrifice a bit of S/N ratio. But let's keep things in perspective. If you have appropriate passive attenuation installed such that the TP's volume control is up around 90% or so for critical listening, then using lots of digital attenuation for casual listening isn't going to be a problem - the noise floor remains below the threshold of hearing. Running lots of digital attenuation is only a problem if you follow it with lots of analogue gain. michel;558819 Wrote: 'some form of attenuation' would mean a preamp anyway and this means sacrificing sound quality. Do yourself a favor and try a setup without preamp and you will know why I do NOT want to go back. I'm with you, Michel - I run my TP directly to power amps with XLR. I would never contemplate inserting an active preamp in the signal chain. But as others have pointed out, you can use passive attenuation without loss of quality. (My setup has 13dB passive attenuation). But let's get back to Michel's original problem: conveniently running headphones from the TP. A couple of possibilities occur to me: 1. Wasn't there an older firmware release where it was possible to specify variable analogue output while keeping the digital output fixed at 100%? I believe this facility was sacrificed to make room for some later feature (digital FX loop, perhaps?) Maybe Michel could track down this older firmware and use a headphone amp with SPDIF input. This isn't practical if he wants to use Squeezebox Network (or whatever it's called this week), of course. 2. It would be fairly easy to build a passive switchbox that takes whatever TP outputs are used, feeds them to the appropriate devices (ie. power amps, headphone amp) and has switches to connect/disconnect as required. -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80088 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Headphone listen - HOW?
@cliveb Having digital outs constantly at full volume would be great but as I apply room correction over digital loop I do not think it would work for me. I am considering buying a Touch for headphone listening. -- michel michel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4393 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80088 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Headphone listen - HOW?
michel;558906 Wrote: @cliveb Having digital outs constantly at full volume would be great but as I apply room correction over digital loop I do not think it would work for me. I am considering buying a Touch for headphone listening. What are you using for DRC? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80088 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Poll: Volume Fade Out on Pause/Skip?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80054 Question: Would you like to have the option to enable Volume Fade Out on Skip/Pause? - Yes! The abrupt cut-off bugs me. - Meh. I don't really care. - No! Please do not add another unnecessary feature. I like the idea of a fade out on skip\pause\stop mid-song. It has to be a quick though. 1 sec? But it shouldn't affect the next song if it is a skip. -- lrossouw Louis 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/lrossouw) lrossouw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Headphone listen - HOW?
Touch + a good headphone amp, would probably be excellent. Retain the 24/96 capacity and lets you use the touch interface for real . -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE for the rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80088 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Headphone listen - HOW?
Phil Leigh;558907 Wrote: What are you using for DRC? Behringer DEQ2496. Excellent value for money (~120USD)! -- michel michel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4393 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80088 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Headphone listen - HOW?
The TP digital volume control (and ReplayGain if you are using that) is before the S/PDIF FX loop, so you are sending a variable level to the DRC when you raise/lower the TP volume. DRC normally lowers the level even further (to buy some headroom to avoid clipping on boosted freq dips). I know Cliveb will say I am being ultra-cautious, but I believe that keeping the digital level high out of the FX send into the DRC will give better quality results. Doesn't the DEQ have a level control? Worth experimenting to see if there is a noticeable difference. I run my digital at 100% (except for replaygain - -12dB max) into my TACT. The TACT further cuts level by about 6dB to gain the headroom in needs in my setup/room. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80088 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Shuffle mode
I think I found the bug report. It an old bug... No real estimation on when this will be fixed! I've just voted for it. And please, those who are reading this post: vote for this one! it is pretty annoying ;-) http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9864 -- didjean Slim SB3 + Cambridge Audio 640R + Cambridge Audio DAC Magic + Q Acoustics 1050i ** SB Touch + Yamaha DSP A595 + Morel Applause MKII ** Duet (just the controller is still being used) ** SB Boom ** SB Radio (Red) ** Logitech Harmony 900 ** Windows XP SP2 / Squeezebox Server 7.5.1 on ASRock ION 330 didjean's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2900 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77605 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Headphone listen - HOW?
Phil Leigh;558922 Wrote: The TP digital volume control (and ReplayGain if you are using that) is before the S/PDIF FX loop, so you are sending a variable level to the DRC when you raise/lower the TP volume. QUOTE] This is in fact annoying. As far as I remember volume control was on the digital output (back end of loop) in first firmwares. Why was that changed? -- michel michel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4393 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80088 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Poll: Volume Fade Out on Pause/Skip?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80054 Question: Would you like to have the option to enable Volume Fade Out on Skip/Pause? - Yes! The abrupt cut-off bugs me. - Meh. I don't really care. - No! Please do not add another unnecessary feature. lrossouw;558910 Wrote: But it shouldn't affect the next song if it is a skip. Agreed -- OK to fade out the song you're leaving, but let the next one start at full volume (most pop songs have natural fade up already). I'm torn about how to vote, mainly because I expect this would be implemented not as an option but a new, improved behavior, just like the current fade out when turning a Squeezebox off. -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ Free plugins: 'AllQuiet' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AllQuiet.html) 'Auto Dim/AutoDisplay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AutoDisplay.html) 'BlankSaver' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/BlankSaver.html) 'ContextMenu' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/ContextMenu.html) 'DenonSerial' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/DenonSerial.html) 'FuzzyTime' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/FuzzyTime.html) 'KidsPlay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KidsPlay.html) 'KitchenTimer' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KitchenTimer.html) 'PlayLog' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PlayLog.html) 'PowerCenter/BottleRocket' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PowerCenter.html) 'SaverSwitcher' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SaverSwitcher.html) 'SettingsManager' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SettingsManager.html) 'SleepFade' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SleepFade.html) 'StatusFirst' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/StatusFirst.html) 'SyncOptions' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SyncOptions.html) 'VolumeLock' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/VolumeLock.html) peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Headphone listen - HOW?
michel;558937 Wrote: Phil Leigh;558922 Wrote: The TP digital volume control (and ReplayGain if you are using that) is before the S/PDIF FX loop, so you are sending a variable level to the DRC when you raise/lower the TP volume. QUOTE] This is in fact annoying. As far as I remember volume control was on the digital output (back end of loop) in first firmwares. Why was that changed? I could be wrong! - but the digital level control in firmware operates on the data within the Xilinx chip which (I thought) is before it goes to the s/pdif send transmitter... As I said, I could be wrong... probably am. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80088 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Headphone listen - HOW?
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=264853postcount=19 -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80088 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng 'Your player was not found'
I'm having the same problem, I just downloaded iPeng onto my touch, because I left the remote at my partner's house, and thought it was supposed to automatically find the player, but it isn't, any advice welcome. -- chevvies Meridian GO6, Squeezebox 3, Oppo DV980H, Marantz TT15S1, MacBook Pro, MacBook, iBook G4, Cambridge Audio DacMagic, Humax HD FoxT2 Grover Huffman SC Wyred4Sound ST 1000 + Cyrus PreXVS Ecosse ES 4.45 bi-wire ATC SCM19, Atacama SL500, FlexyTable, Panasonic 37PX80B. Earth - go figure. chevvies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9152 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng 'Your player was not found'
chevvies;558965 Wrote: I'm having the same problem, I just downloaded iPeng onto my touch, because I left the remote at my partner's house, and thought it was supposed to automatically find the player, but it isn't, any advice welcome. Does your partner run an SBS or MySB? Are you on WiFi? What do you see on the Players/Server screen? -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] DNS entry for permanent IP address
Hello, This is my maiden post so forgive me if I make a mess of it. In setting up my SB+ (modified SB3) with a permanent IP address I am asked to input the IP address of the DNS server. In my case, my router is set to obtain a DNS server automatically so I have nothing to input in this field. Can any network guru please tell me what to enter here? Thanks and sorry if it is a stupid question Regards -- JerryS JerryS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38998 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80120 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] DNS entry for permanent IP address
JerryS;558970 Wrote: Hello, This is my maiden post so forgive me if I make a mess of it. In setting up my SB+ (modified SB3) with a permanent IP address I am asked to input the IP address of the DNS server. In my case, my router is set to obtain a DNS server automatically so I have nothing to input in this field. Can any network guru please tell me what to enter here? Thanks and sorry if it is a stupid question Regards Put in the IP address of your Router... (Welcome) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80120 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] DNS entry for permanent IP address
Phil Leigh;558972 Wrote: Put in the IP address of your Router... (Welcome) i think in mine it is something like: 192.168.1.1 if your server is a 192.168 address, this is probably it -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80120 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng 'Your player was not found'
No she doesn't. The server screen has no song listings. I use my iTunes library from my MacBook via a SpeedTouch wireless router as I would normally, using the SB3 remote. Since I left the remote behind I remember reading about folks using their iPod touches as a remote for Squeezeboxes, which is why I purchased iPeng, but I must be missing something. Should the iPeng touch turn on the SB, or do I still need the remote for that? Thanks. -- chevvies Meridian GO6, Squeezebox 3, Oppo DV980H, Marantz TT15S1, MacBook Pro, MacBook, iBook G4, Cambridge Audio DacMagic, Humax HD FoxT2 Grover Huffman SC Wyred4Sound ST 1000 + Cyrus PreXVS Ecosse ES 4.45 bi-wire ATC SCM19, Atacama SL500, FlexyTable, Panasonic 37PX80B. Earth - go figure. chevvies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9152 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] DNS entry for permanent IP address
or whatever your OS is, for windos type 'ipconfig /all'; there will be listed the DNS servers that your router has given you, compliments of your ISP usually. -- alZmtbr alZmtbr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8773 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80120 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] DNS entry for permanent IP address
Thanks for those, helpful as always -- JerryS JerryS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38998 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80120 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng 'Your player was not found'
chevvies;558978 Wrote: No she doesn't. That was an either/or. You need to use either Squeezebox Server or MySqueezebox.com to operate a Squeezebox. If you don't know, it's probably MySqueezebox.com. The server screen has no song listings. I use my iTunes library from my MacBook via a SpeedTouch wireless router as I would normally, using the SB3 remote. Since I left the remote behind I remember reading about folks using their iPod touches as a remote for Squeezeboxes, which is why I purchased iPeng, but I must be missing something. Should the iPeng touch turn on the SB, or do I still need the remote for that? Thanks. OK. Back to Square 1: A Squeezebox needs a server to operate. This can be either Squeezebox Server (which you are probably running on your MacBook) or MySqueezbox.com. Does your partner use the Squeezebox if you are not there? Then she probably uses MySqueezebox.com iPeng can turn on a Squeezebox, but it doesn't connect to the Squeezebox itself, it only connects to the server that also controls the Squeezebox. To see the SB in iPeng you need to connect iPeng to the same server as the SB. That's what you do on the Player/Server screen (swipe right on NowPlaying, see Help-Quick Tutorials-NowPlaying and Help-Quick Tutorials-Players and Music Source in iPeng) If the SB is e.g. on MySqueezebox.com and you want to connect it to your MacBook you need to connect iPeng to MySqueezebox.com first until you see the player and then move it to you computer. To make this work, your iPod touch has to be connected to the same WiFi network as your MacBook (or they can't communicate), to use MySqueezebox.com it will also need an internet connection. iPeng should see your MacBook if they are on the same network. If you want more details, see MultiPlayer Control here: http://penguinlovesmusic.de/ipeng-the-iphone-skin-for-squeezecenter/how-to-use-the-ipeng-application/nowplaying/ -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MusicIP Broke?
Thanks for the reply grum. I've been fiddling a lot with no success, so if you do remember what you did please post it as I really miss my MusicIP. -- Stessull Stessull's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16347 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80031 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A question about wireless sound quality
One point overlooked so far is that a wired ethernet connection can also have momentary interruptions due to network traffic and the processing needs of other programs that are necessary to run a computer. Simply put, a wired computer connection is not a smooth, uninterrupted flow either. As someone else noted, that's what the device's buffer is for. Several years back I unplugged the CAT-5 cable from my SB3 and counted. If my memory isn't too faulty, I recall it took about 8 seconds before the music stopped. There was certainly no deterioration in sound quality during the interruption - it played perfectly until it stopped. A wireless connection does add a few other sources of potential interference, but those are quite noticeable if they are creating a problem. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80087 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
