Re: [slim] Playing beyond tracks
pippin wrote: > Has nothing to do with "small com glitches". The problem in this case > (and I have seen that with my router many times but I can rule it out > for the latest incident since I don't use it for streaming anymore due > to this) is stalling streams. > "Stalling" means the stream is broken but both sides don't notice it. > That's less of a problem for the actual music stream because you get a > new one every few minutes. > But the slimproto control connection (and also the cometd connection > used by Apps and SqueezePlay) is also a stream and if that one stalls > the server will never know that the player has finished playing a track > so will not send a new one. You get exactly the behavior we are seeing > here. > > Now... this doesn't seem to be the _only_ possible cause for this but > it's certainly one and ruling it out might help That was better explanation, never had exactly this error myself only your typical flaky wifi that goes down for some seconds . Some process of elimination to exclude some of the involved network devices ? To fault trace . For example in my network the internet router is actually not used as a switch it's conected to one of my switches and the wired server and all of wired players use static IP so they don't need my router to function so it can go down or be rebooted without a hitch . Player and server talks trough the switches. The switches are these blue sheet metal case semi pro netgear types , no shiny consumer variant with fancy plastic case and power saving and Eco features Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106111 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Your home-made LMS API projects
I recently discovered BitBar for OSX/macOS (http://getbitbar.com). This allows you to build menu bar items using your preferred scripting or programming language. I've cobbled together a quick Perl script which gives similar options as the tray icon on Windows: 21136 If I find time I might add some basic player control to it, together with title display in the menu bar, artwork... ok, I probably won't have time for all of this anytime soon, but if somebody was interested, the script is up on github. If you're just interested in using the script as it is, head over to the BitBar website, install the application (https://getbitbar.com/plugins/Music/check-lms.10s.pl) +---+ |Filename: Bildschirmfoto 2016-09-19 um 13.57.22.png| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21136| +---+ Michael http://www.herger.net/slim-plugins - MusicArtistInfo, MusicInfoSCR mherger's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=50 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106168 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Your home-made LMS API projects
Hi, While my many years ago promised Opera plugin to control LMS went nowhere, I still have lots of fun with SqueezeBox' LMS API. The openness is probably the reason why I want to stick with SB as long as possible. Some of my more noticeable home-brew projects have been: 1) A Opera browser (12 Presto and 19-upwards) plugin that shows artwork and title or artist of the currently playing song in a Speed Dial entry. A click opens LMS on the selected player. I have been using this plugin myself for years, but I have not released it on Opera's add-in store, as it will require tons of finishing touches. Password protected servers and mysqueezebox.com are not supported. Of course I am willing to upload it somewhere if someone's interested. As it has not been released on Opera's Add-on store, it requires enabling Opera's Developer mode, that would be a security risk. Also note that as long as Opera is running, it is polling LMS every X seconds (configurable from 5 to 60 seconds), I do not expect WebSocket support is on the LMS roadmap ;) It can be configured to stop polling after X unsuccessful tries however. Again it was mostly made for my personal enjoyment, but if there's interest I'd be willing to work on it. 2) I bought a new Logitech keyboard (at least they still make those ;) ) with neat media keys. Still I hardly play music on my desktop PC, I wanted to control LMS with these keys. Unfortunately Logitech's SetPoint utility's UI does not let me re-assign the Media Keys. With a bit of research I found out that you can edit a XML file manually to add functions to almost any key, including the Media Keys. I'm a developer, so I created a native Win32 program that simply connects to LMS' TelNet interface (the compiler I used did not have built-in support for JSON, so I chose the TelNet interface) and sends parameter-driven commands to LMS. Now I can rewind, play/pause, forward, mute/unmute and volume up/down with a press of a button. I have been using this for a week now, on a Windows 10 desktop PC, and it seems to work remarkably well. I hope Logitech will not introduce major new versions of SetPoint for a long time ;) Are there other people that have been playing with the various SqueezeBox-related APIs and created some noticeable home-brew projects that you wouldn't want to miss? :) Squeezeboxes: Touch (on Yamaha AVR667) + Radio connected to LMS 7.7 (Mac mini running MacOS X 10.7) . Plugins used: Spotify and LastFM Scrobbler. SquuezePlayer and Orange Squeeze user on HTC Desire Z (Android 2.3) phone and Asus TF300 (Android 4.1) tablet tablemate's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57007 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106168 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Playing beyond tracks
Mnyb wrote: > Music does not need to stop for small com glitches the internal buffer > is >=30 seconds of music , depending on codec . For low bitrate MP3 even > more . > > In fact it usually don't stop , it just keeps on playing until the > buffer is empty even if the UI crashes ? Has nothing to do with "small com glitches". The problem in this case (and I have seen that with my router many times but I can rule it out for the latest incident since I don't use it for streaming anymore due to this) is stalling streams. "Stalling" means the stream is broken but both sides don't notice it. That's less of a problem for the actual music stream because you get a new one every few minutes. But the slimproto control connection is also a stream and if that one stalls the server will never know that the player has finished playing a track so will not send a new one. You get exactly the behavior we are seeing here. Now... this doesn't seem to be the _only_ possible cause for this but it's certainly one and ruling it out might help --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 9, the Universal App for iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106111 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Playing beyond tracks
For me, it will continue playing through the following tracks without a problem. It is only when I happen to check the web UI or an app on my tablet that I notice it has lost its place. Usually I just let it stay behind and keep listening. I have restarted my router a number of times and tried changing the configuration to try to establish a pattern, all to no avail. I will restart everything again and try today. Although this is mildly annoying, I still prefer all the improvements made in 7.9 to any inconvenience in the display. 7.9 converted me to a web UI user, even on my tablet. I wouldn't have mentioned it except that I saw others experiencing it too. Thanks dbm204's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=65916 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106111 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Playing beyond tracks
Music does not need to stop for small com glitches the internal buffer is >=30 seconds of music , depending on codec . For low bitrate MP3 even more . In fact it usually don't stop , it just keeps on playing until the buffer is empty even if the UI crashes ? Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106111 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Playing beyond tracks
Oh, BTW: you did try to restart your router? I do have a router (Fritz!Box) that has problems keeping a stable streaming connection --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 9, the Universal App for iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106111 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Playing beyond tracks
Agreed. This shows the problem is all over, not player/architecture dependent. Communication/protocol could still be the culprit. That is why I mentioned in my earlier post some strange "cannot connect to server" messages that flash for less than a second, which seem like a false-negative since the music never stops and LMS web-UI has the problem, not the player itself. It is odd that LMS seems schizophrenic. LMS falls behind, not the track playing on the player. LMS knows to send track 3 and does so successfully, the player continues playing track 3, but LMS web-UI displays track 2 as current track. LMS knows enough to send the next track and continues with track 4 too. Sometimes I think it just stays stuck on track 2; usually it just stays 1 track behind. I don't see dropouts or buffering issues. Rarely, it will stop at the end of a track and I need to play a track explicitly to get the UI and player back in sync. I only mentioned player sync before because I know that sync has the most complicated logic and this requires LMS to know what is on all players and exactly where the players are at (since it can force corrections to bring players back in sync). For me, I think a work-around may be to avoid playing an album while one is currently playing. I will try to pause play, clear the playlist, add the next album, then start play. Perhaps that will avoid the problem. I have seen the problem mostly when I alter the playlist while it is playing. When I lined up 4 hours of short (pop music) tracks and let it go, it played without a problem. dbm204's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=65916 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106111 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Playing beyond tracks
I think it's either the player doing something wrong when it's supposed to go to the next track, but given that these were very different players (my problem was with iPeng as a player which makes it three different implementations now) I doubt it's the software in the player itself, maybe the protocol. Or it's the server. No idea where, Michael would have better insight here. --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 9, the Universal App for iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106111 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Playing beyond tracks
it can actually be the comunication ? Or server getting choked an busy in some way ? The server is updating the displays , its especially true in the old players where the server basically runs the whole UI (except the fw setup menu) . Touch is more autonomous and a larger part of the UI exist without a server... Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106111 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
