Re: [slim] possible to reverse L/R channels on a digital optical (TOSlink) connection?
kidstypike wrote: > I remember that from many (many) years ago, advocating wiring the the > tweeter out of phase to the bass driver.I had a pair of Musical Fidelity MC2 > speakers and had them for years before I realised one of the speakers had the woofer wired backwards. I phoned Musical Fidelity to complain and they apologised and asked me to send them back for repair. I explained I could fix it myself and maybe they should have spotted it before letting them leave the factory. You would think it would have been obvious there was an issue but I didn't notice until I removed the woofers for a reason I can't recall now [emoji3] Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114112 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] possible to reverse L/R channels on a digital optical (TOSlink) connection?
Man in a van wrote: > And some amplifiers also invert the phase, as do some speaker crossovers I remember that from many (many) years ago, advocating wiring the the tweeter out of phase to the bass driver. *Server - LMS 8.2.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Argon one case/pCP v7.0.1 - 75K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi3B/pCP 7.0.1/pi screen/Hifiberry DAC HAT Ruark MR1 Mk2 *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 6.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Garage* - Squeezebox Boom + Fostex sub *Dining Room* - Pi3B/Bluetooth/Echo Show 8 *Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB Radio. 1xSB3, 6xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114112 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] possible to reverse L/R channels on a digital optical (TOSlink) connection?
Jeff07971 wrote: > Because the recording may be phase inverted is the reason. > > Jeff And some amplifiers also invert the phase, as do some speaker crossovers Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114112 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] possible to reverse L/R channels on a digital optical (TOSlink) connection?
Jeff07971 wrote: > Because the recording may be phase inverted is the reason. > > Jeff Sure, I understand that's the claim, but I am not convinced that the notion of absolute polarity has any validity. This is just one more skeptic vs. audiophile debate and really off-topic for this thread. I apologize for bringing it up. If anyone wants to continue discussing this subject, we should probably start a new thread. LMS 8 nightly running on Raspberry Pi OS. Mostly virtual players, occasionally with SB Radio, Boom or Classic. RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114112 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] possible to reverse L/R channels on a digital optical (TOSlink) connection?
RobbH wrote: > I am skeptical of that reasoning, but maybe that explains why this > option is available under audio settings. I could never understand why > anyone would want to invert polarity on both channels. There are > situations where inverting polarity on one channel might make sense, > because it's easier than redoing the wiring. Because the recording may be phase inverted is the reason. Jeff *Want a webapp ?* Get SqueezeLite-X ! https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?108550-Announce-Squeezelite-X&p=903953&viewfull=1#post903953 Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114112 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] possible to reverse L/R channels on a digital optical (TOSlink) connection?
RobbH wrote: > I am skeptical of that reasoning, but maybe that explains why this > option is available under audio settings. I could never understand why > anyone would want to invert polarity on both channels. There are > situations where inverting polarity on one channel might make sense, > because it's easier than redoing the wiring. Even LMS offers that ans squeezelite simply negates the gain value LMS 8.1.x on Odroid-C4 - *SqueezeAMP!*, 5xRadio, 5xBoom, 2xDuet, 1xTouch, 1xSB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, RivaArena 1 & 3 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114112 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] possible to reverse L/R channels on a digital optical (TOSlink) connection?
I stand corrected. I expect it is possible if you are using Linux or a variant on a Pi but you problem have to go to the command line. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114112 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] possible to reverse L/R channels on a digital optical (TOSlink) connection?
slartibartfast wrote: > I remember a HiFi magazine producing a list of albums that they reckoned > sounded better with reversed polarity and recommending readers to test > all their albums to produce their own list I am skeptical of that reasoning, but maybe that explains why this option is available under audio settings. I could never understand why anyone would want to invert polarity on both channels. There are situations where inverting polarity on one channel might make sense, because it's easier than redoing the wiring. LMS 8 nightly running on Raspberry Pi OS. Mostly virtual players, occasionally with SB Radio, Boom or Classic. RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114112 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] possible to reverse L/R channels on a digital optical (TOSlink) connection?
kidstypike wrote: > Just tried this on a Pi, playing a channel identifier track, reversing > the polarity makes no difference to the let/right channels. > > 33724I remember a HiFi magazine producing a list of albums that they reckoned sounded better with reversed polarity and recommending readers to test all their albums to produce their own list. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114112 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] possible to reverse L/R channels on a digital optical (TOSlink) connection?
slartibartfast wrote: > I wouldn't have thought polarity inversion would swop left and right > channels. Doesn't it mean your speaker would suck instead of blow > [emoji3] > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk Just tried this on a Pi, playing a channel identifier track, reversing the polarity makes no difference to the let/right channels. 33724 +---+ |Filename: leftright.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=33724| +---+ *Server - LMS 8.2.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Argon one case/pCP v7.0.1 - 75K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi3B/pCP 7.0.1/pi screen/Hifiberry DAC HAT Ruark MR1 Mk2 *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 6.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Garage* - Squeezebox Boom + Fostex sub *Dining Room* - Pi3B/Bluetooth/Echo Show 8 *Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB Radio. 1xSB3, 6xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114112 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] possible to reverse L/R channels on a digital optical (TOSlink) connection?
Noslartibartfast wrote: > I wouldn't have thought polarity inversion would swop left and right > channels. Doesn't it mean your speaker would suck instead of blow > [emoji3] > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk Perhaps so. The Pi Im looking at has a Justboom DAC attached and its connected to a small amp. I cant click on the tooltip to see whether its a Dyson or Hoover though! VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114112 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] possible to reverse L/R channels on a digital optical (TOSlink) connection?
d6jg wrote: > If the player was a Pi under Player / Audio / Polarity Inversion - I > think this will solve your issue - not sure whether the setting is > available for SB2 or other SB PlayersI wouldn't have thought polarity > inversion would swop left and right channels. Doesn't it mean your speaker would suck instead of blow [emoji3] Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114112 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] possible to reverse L/R channels on a digital optical (TOSlink) connection?
aubuti wrote: > Here's an obscure question: Is there a way to reverse the L/R channels > on a digital optical (TOSlink) audio cable? > > Here's why I ask. In one room I have a pair of Audioengine HD-6 > self-powered speakers with an SB2 as the source. The left speaker is the > 'master' with inputs, amp, DAC, etc. and the right speaker is passive. > I'm liking the sound of the DAC in the Augioengines better than the > SB2's, so the SB2 is connected to the left speaker via a short digital > optical cable. > > The electrical outlets and ethernet jack (I could run the SB2 off wifi, > but I prefer wired) are much closer to the location of the right > speaker. So I could do away with the power and ethernet cables running > across the floor -- and improve marital harmony -- if I switched the L/R > speakers. But that would mess up the imaging. I've tried it, and on a > lot of tracks it is noticeable, sometimes to the point of annoyance. If > I were using analog interconnects it would be as simple as swapping the > L/R cables at either the speaker inputs or the SB2 outputs, but with > digital...? > > Is there a way to swap L/R anywhere in the LMS software, or via a > plugin? Or is there such a thing as a "reverser" adapter for a TOSlink > cable? Or any other solution? Thanks. If the player was a Pi under Player / Audio / Polarity Inversion - I think this will solve your issue - not sure whether the setting is available for SB2 or other SB Players VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114112 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] possible to reverse L/R channels on a digital optical (TOSlink) connection?
Here's an obscure question: Is there a way to reverse the L/R channels on a digital optical (TOSlink) audio cable? Here's why I ask. In one room I have a pair of Audioengine HD-6 self-powered speakers with an SB2 as the source. The left speaker is the 'master' with inputs, amp, DAC, etc. and the right speaker is passive. I'm liking the sound of the DAC in the Augioengines better than the SB2's, so the SB2 is connected to the left speaker via a short digital optical cable. The electrical outlets and ethernet jack (I could run the SB2 off wifi, but I prefer wired) are much closer to the location of the right speaker. So I could do away with the power and ethernet cables running across the floor -- and improve marital harmony -- if I switched the L/R speakers. But that would mess up the imaging. I've tried it, and on a lot of tracks it is noticeable, sometimes to the point of annoyance. If I were using analog interconnects it would be as simple as swapping the L/R cables at either the speaker inputs or the SB2 outputs, but with digital...? Is there a way to swap L/R anywhere in the LMS software, or via a plugin? Or is there such a thing as a "reverser" adapter for a TOSlink cable? Or any other solution? Thanks. Audio system in transition while still relocating from halfway around the world. Man-cave: SB3 > Emotiva XDA-1 > NAD C 325BEE > Vandersteen 1 Living room: SB2 > Audioengine HD6 Kitchen/dining: SB2 > AudioSource AMP 100 > 2-pairs of Polk Audio RC60i in-ceiling speakers Deck/patio: SB Receiver > AudioSource AMP 100 > Polk Atrium 45 Study: SB Radio LMS 8.0 running on a Raspberry Pi3 (max2play), controlled using SB Controller, iPeng and Squeezepad aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114112 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Music on LMS compared to ozher systems like (air)(sub)sonic
mamema wrote: > Damn, it's all uppercase, so i have no option as to kill myself. before you do, please make sure you bequeath all your CDs to someone here VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114107 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Music on LMS compared to ozher systems like (air)(sub)sonic
philchillbill wrote: > As an audiophile, I presume you know that the music will sound better if > you use all lowercase letters in your tags? Damn, it's all uppercase, so i have no option as to kill myself. mamema's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44662 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114107 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Music on LMS compared to ozher systems like (air)(sub)sonic
NB. Some ripping software e.g. dbPoweramp can be configured to add ReplayGain tags at the ripping stage which for CD ripping is my preferred method. I only use foobar2000 to add ReplayGain tags to my Vinyl rips. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114107 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Music on LMS compared to ozher systems like (air)(sub)sonic
ReplayGain is explained here - http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php/ReplayGain In foobar2000 you select all tracks from one album then right click and do Replay Gain and select the appropriate option 33715 After scanning you then get an option to write ReplayGain tags The principle is that the software measures the noise levels of the tracks and suggests an adjustment to normalise the listening level based on a target value - usually 89 db (you can alter this in settings but there are really only two common levels in use 89 or 83). The adjustment levels are at Album and Track level. If you apply tags all you are doing is writing some additional info in the files which clever replay software e.g. LMS can use at playback time. You can also opt to APPLY the calculated ReplayGain to your tracks. This makes a permanent adjustment and is similar to "normalisation". +---+ |Filename: 2021-03-09 09_47_05-Window.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=33715| +---+ VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114107 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Music on LMS compared to ozher systems like (air)(sub)sonic
mamema wrote: > i just recently entered the musicip mixing area (again), so perhaps now > replaygain would come into play. > What would be the correct value then? Until now i was listening to > complete albumsWhat do you mean by "correct value"? Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114107 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Music on LMS compared to ozher systems like (air)(sub)sonic
mamema wrote: > huuuh i'm a audiophile i'm not using replay gain. As an audiophile, I presume you know that the music will sound better if you use all lowercase letters in your tags? philchillbill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68920 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114107 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
