Re: [slim] Rhapsody - no audio with Logitech SB3

2015-05-07 Thread Squeezeisfab

mherger wrote: 
> > Yes, I'd like to hear from Michael if this is a dead end.
> 
> Please not that I'm not an official Logitech communication channel. 
> Official statements always take a little longer :-). But afaik the 
> official statement is on its way (and, technically, I'm still on 
> vacation ;-)).
> 
> But yes, the last word will be that Rhapsody on old SB devices (ip3k: 
> Transporter, Receiver, SB3/Classic, Boom) is no longer working.
> 
> > If so, that bites. :(
> 
> I'm sorry about that.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Michael

Thanks Micheal

Rhapsody is now assigned to history for me unfortunately and nice as the
chap was on the phone he kept insisting it was a Logitech issue!!!



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Re: [slim] Rhapsody - no audio with Logitech SB3

2015-05-06 Thread Squeezeisfab

mherger wrote: 
> Unfortunately there is no good news: Rhapsody is no longer working on
> older SB models due to encryption changes. Most likely this is not
> fixable lack of memory on these older devices. We've been counting bytes
> before (literally!). Implementing new encryption modes is out of
> question. Will let you know as I learn more. 
> 
> 
> 
> > Am 25.04.2015 um 13:33 schrieb Michael Herger  net>:
> > 
> > Thanks guys. I shot them a mail asking about it. Stay tuned. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> Am 24.04.2015 um 13:23 schrieb kh6idf  forums.slimdevices.com>:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> This morning I attempted to listen to Rhapsody but there is no audio
> >> being output from the coaxial digital output.  I switched to Pandora
> and
> >> I get audio.
> >> 
> >> Did something change with Rhapsody?  Does it still work with the SB3?
> 
> >> The display seems to indicate it is playing but there is no digital
> >> audio output.
> >> 
> >> 
> >>
> 
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Hi Michael,

Before I close my rhapsody account have all avenues drawn to a close re
working on older boxes? Or are you still investigating a possible
solution?

Thanks



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Re: [slim] Rhapsody - no audio with Logitech SB3

2015-04-30 Thread Squeezeisfab

pippin wrote: 
> Newer services often no longer encrypt their streams because rights
> holders today are less paranoid, they understand that it's not their
> paying customers who are trying to rob them.
> But Rhapsody is one of the first services around, they have old
> contracts and these contracts require the end-to-end encryption.
> 
> The WiFi encryption won't help, you know your password. Remember: it's
> YOU who they want to prevent from directly accessing the streams. The
> purpose is to make sure that YOU cannot record the streams. And yes, I'm
> well aware you still can... And yes, I'm also aware you probably
> wouldn't, but that's what this all about. It's the same kind of thinking
> as with then DRM in Audible and so many other nonsense going on.

Thanks for explanation Pippin. Sounds like they are cutting off their
own noses then. I already run spotify premium but still think some of
the rhapsody functionality is better.

Will keep fingers crossed that somebody works out a solution to the
problem else they will be loosing my monthly fee shortly!



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Re: [slim] Rhapsody - no audio with Logitech SB3

2015-04-30 Thread Squeezeisfab

pippin wrote: 
> And you want to know whether other devices are affected, too, or other
> services?

Yes why don't other services suffer from the same encryption issue? Or
will they in time?

One other question. I thought the squeezebox could use wpa2 Aes
encryption when connecting to the wifi. Is there nothing there that can
be used there to decode the rhapsody stream? Sorry that might sound daft
just exploring ideas...



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Re: [slim] Rhapsody - no audio with Logitech SB3

2015-04-30 Thread Squeezeisfab

pippin wrote: 
> Which issue? The Rhapsody issue or the single-track-for-Spotify one?
> 
> Most Streaming clients have the same Spotify limitation, with Rhapsody I
> don't have an overview. But the fact that the Squeezeboxes were designed
> as a "thin client" and actually was already at the limit of capacity
> when Rhapsody was originally included surely will not have helped.
> 
> 
> 
> Technically possible: sure. Allowed by Rhapsody: probably not, they have
> end-to-end encryption in their security concept, they have to assure
> that. That's the whole reason for all this hassle.
> Also: it can't be simply a plugin, plugins are being distributed as
> source code, everybody would get the keys. It would have to be something
> more complex and secure, such as libspotify. See my comments about that.

Hi sorry re first question I meant the encryption issue.



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Re: [slim] Rhapsody - no audio with Logitech SB3

2015-04-30 Thread Squeezeisfab

pippin wrote: 
> Deezer? Tidal? The "one track at a time" limit is a Spotify speciality
> related to the libspotify library

Hi a couple of silly questions

1. Why are other streams not faced with this issue? Or will they be in
time?

2. Would it be possible to build an lms plugin to handle the decryption
and then stream to players? Similar I guess to how triodes spotify
plugin works? 

Many thanks...



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