Re: [slim] Agree to invisible license terms?
Goodsounds;510086 Wrote: For those of you who bother reading take it or leave it licenses, have you ever decided to not use or to return purchased software because you were unhappy with license terms? I understand the need for attention if one were writing code or developing products for distribution to others. And maybe that's your interest. For simple use, however, boilerplate license terms seem something unnecessary to even think about. And have you ever truly understood those terms ? without an degree in law ? To compound these matters is this license agreement localized to where i'm at ,usually this boiler plate eula is written for the US market and might not apply in 100% to me. Maybe logitech owns my soul, I have not read the fine print ? Should I wash Andy's car in the weekends ;) -- Mnyb Main hifi: SB3 (soon to replaced by a Touch :) It is on preorder) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Receiver (soon to be replaced by my SB3 and the SBRto be stuffed in a box in the attic ) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to controll this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74400 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Agree to invisible license terms?
Since you don't pay for the software you have little option anyway. You have bought a Squeeze XYZ. It's either MySB.com or use the software. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74400 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Agree to invisible license terms?
Mnyb;510145 Wrote: And have you ever truly understood those terms ? without an degree in law ?. Exactly! Life is too short. Anyone read the fine print of every web site or that of credit card terms? One of the news programs here in the US did a story on the credit card industry as a whole. Included was a segment on the terms conditions of major credit cards. Even lawyers had trouble determining and interpreting what these credit card agreements actually meant. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74400 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Agree to invisible license terms?
Thanks to whoever did that. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74400 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Agree to invisible license terms?
Yes, I have read them, all of them. Yes I read license agreements. A bit weird to some but it does explain my rights to the software, and what I can do with it. It also explains Logitech's rights to the software. It also tells me when your lawyers may call me and why. Would it be possible to make the license agreement pop up during installation? -- tedfroop Good judgement is the result of experience ... Experience is the result of bad judgement. -- Fred Brooks tedfroop's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3011 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74400 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Agree to invisible license terms?
For those of you who bother reading take it or leave it licenses, have you ever decided to not use or to return purchased software because you were unhappy with license terms? I understand the need for attention if one were writing code or developing products for distribution to others. And maybe that's your interest. For simple use, however, boilerplate license terms seem something unnecessary to even think about. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74400 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Agree to invisible license terms?
Goodsounds;510086 Wrote: For those of you who bother reading take it or leave it licenses, have you ever decided to not use or to return purchased software because you were unhappy with license terms? I understand the need for attention if one were writing code or developing products for distribution to others. And maybe that's your interest. For simple use, however, boilerplate license terms seem something unnecessary to even think about. +1 for simple use of software -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74400 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Agree to invisible license terms?
It seems to me that a new user of SBS is asked to agree to the license terms before he may download the SBS software, but the only way to see the license terms is to have first downloaded it (and thereby agreed to the terms). Is there some well-hidden link on http://www.mysqueezebox.com/download that would let a user know what he is agreeing to? -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74400 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Agree to invisible license terms?
https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15009 Seems it was reported in early November 2009. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74400 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Agree to invisible license terms?
That's why I am waiting to upgrade - I want to read the license. I got a hold of support in November and they said they would have it was a priority to get it fixed. What priority I haven't figured out. I wonder what they are trying to hide? -- tedfroop Good judgement is the result of experience ... Experience is the result of bad judgement. -- Fred Brooks tedfroop's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3011 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74400 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Agree to invisible license terms?
That's why I am waiting to upgrade - I want to read the license. Would you feel better if you didn't have to read/confirm them? It's such a stupid thing. I never actually read any of those terms... did you? I wonder what they are trying to hide? Nothing, really. It's just so useless, we should best get rid of it... ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Agree to invisible license terms?
Much as I appreciate your free spirit, I think you're gonna have to put the license terms somewhere prominent before the user commits the act of installing the software. The GPL2 calls for conspicuously and appropriately displaying an appropriate copyright notice and disclaimer of warranty. Having to dig around in the install directory for some text file may not qualify. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74400 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Agree to invisible license terms?
dsdreamer;509739 Wrote: The GPL2 calls for conspicuously and appropriately displaying an appropriate copyright notice and disclaimer of warranty. Having to dig around in the install directory for some text file may not qualify. Someone should tell the folks at Debian that... since I don't get any notice of licensing when apt-get installs something. A 'click this to agree' on downloads is meaningless when you can navigate to http://downloads.slimdevices.com/ and not get such a thing. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74400 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Agree to invisible license terms?
snarlydwarf;509809 Wrote: Someone should tell the folks at Debian that... since I don't get any notice of licensing when apt-get installs something. A 'click this to agree' on downloads is meaningless when you can navigate to http://downloads.slimdevices.com/ and not get such a thing. I guess it is a fair assumption that if you have root access at a Bash shell prompt in Debian you already know what GPL is about and what rights and responsibilities you have under it. You're in a fully GNU/Linux environment after all. But, you know, I really don't which way it gets fixed -- kill the stupid button or put a link to the license terms -- either way is fine with me. What looks bad is that the first encounter a new user has with SqueezeBox Server is being asked to agree to terms he may not see. Basically, he must work around a Logitech bug before he even gets to download the software! -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74400 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
