[slim] Cat-3 Cables

2010-04-26 Thread ajkidle

What I originally believed to be Cat-5 running through my house has
turned out to be Cat-3.  I had hoped to repurpose the phone system (the
Cat-3 wiring) to provide ethernet throughout the house.  Are my hopes
dashed?  Wikipedia says Cat-3 is for 10Mbps, doesn't sound like a very
good idea to plug this into a gigabit router -- correct?


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Re: [slim] Cat-3 Cables

2010-04-26 Thread JJZolx

ajkidle;540714 Wrote: 
> What I originally believed to be Cat-5 running through my house has
> turned out to be Cat-3.  I had hoped to repurpose the phone system (the
> Cat-3 wiring) to provide ethernet throughout the house.  Are my hopes
> dashed?  Wikipedia says Cat-3 is for 10Mbps, doesn't sound like a very
> good idea to plug this into a gigabit router -- correct?

Well, you can expect it to work at 10 Mbps, maybe 100 Mbps if you're
really really lucky.  It's not going to hurt your switch.  A 10 Mbps
run is more than fast enough to stream 16/44.1 audio uncompressed and
it may turn out to be more reliable than a poor wireless connection.


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Re: [slim] Cat-3 Cables

2010-04-27 Thread Soulkeeper

That's interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_3_cable

In theory you can get reliable 100 Mbps from Cat3, but that probably
requires some special hardware in each end of the cable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100BASE-T4#100BASE-T4


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Re: [slim] Cat-3 Cables

2010-04-27 Thread SuperQ

I have had situations where we had to run networking over cat3 due to
very old buildings.  Most modern 100mbps PHYs are good enough that it
should work reasonably well.  Gigabit on the other hand is not going to
work well.  It might get a link but you will get mostly packet loss. 
You will get some packet loss, but nothing TCP can't deal with, and it
won't be an issue for the squeezebox.


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Re: [slim] Cat-3 Cables

2010-04-27 Thread ajkidle

So the router will throttle the speed automatically based on quality of
the connection?


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Re: [slim] Cat-3 Cables

2010-04-27 Thread agillis

ajkidle;541117 Wrote: 
> So the router will throttle the speed automatically based on quality of
> the connection?

It might but your audio quality will definably suffer. Expect dropouts
as your router tries to make everything work.

Your better off going with wireless then trying to run Gig over Cat3.


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Re: [slim] Cat-3 Cables

2010-04-27 Thread Mark Miksis

agillis;541150 Wrote: 
> Your better off going with wireless then trying to run Gig over Cat3.

In this case, there's no point in trying to use GE anyway since none of
the SB products support it.  You may get away with 10/100 especially if
your runs are much shorter than the 90m allowed for CAT5.


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Re: [slim] Cat-3 Cables

2010-04-28 Thread Soulkeeper

True. Cable length is an important factor. I used to make my CAT5 cables
terribly terribly wrong, but didn't even notice until I once mounted one
in a mechanical workshop (probably full of noise) and couldn't make it
work. :P

That's when I learned you have to take the twisted pairs into account.
And I had been making cables 10-20 meters long, never even noticing
that anything was wrong.

Needless to say, I snuck back and re-terminated quite a few cables,
hoping that nobody would ask me what I was doing.


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