Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
celo wrote: > Let me ask this. Last night my wife and I did a blind test running the > SBT via power bank and stock AC adapter. Blind test, but not double blind? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clever_Hans "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
pippin wrote: > Mine were pretty early ones and Logitech was well aware of the problem > (during the beta I sent another one back and the replacements were > originally more silent and only later developed the noise). > Im not sure whether i remember this correctly but the problem might > also have been specific to 220V/50Hz mine are all in US...110V *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9.1 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
Mine were pretty early ones and Logitech was well aware of the problem (during the beta I sent another one back and the replacements were originally more silent and only later developed the noise). Im not sure whether i remember this correctly but the problem might also have been specific to 220V/50Hz --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 9, the Universal App for iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
pippin wrote: > Hm... while I actually agree on the Sbooster and for the life of me I > would not let that device near any of my power outlets (having once seen > the interior of one, that device was seriously dangerous)... and no, I > also don’t believe linear power supplies improve anything ... > But the power supply that comes with the Touch also can suck big time. > I replaced two of them (against stock switching power supplies) because > they were too noisy. > Not in the sense that that have a noisy power output or something but > LITERALLY noisy. They wheeze. I could still hear them two rooms away. interesting. I haven't heard any noise from the two Touch power supplies I use. But I can certainly see how that would be annoying. I suspect these touch power supplies are all sourced from different manufacturers, so who knows *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9.1 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
Hm... while I actually agree on the Sbooster and for the life of me I would not let that device near any of my power outlets (having once seen the interior of one, that device was seriously dangerous)... and no, I also dont believe linear power supplies improve anything ... But the power supply that comes with the Touch also can suck big time. I replaced two of them (against stock switching power supplies) because they were too noisy. Not in the sense that that have a noisy power output or something but LITERALLY noisy. They wheeze. I could still hear them two rooms away. --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 9, the Universal App for iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
garym wrote: > You're asking the wrong person. I believe in science and engineering and > facts. things like Sbooster are audiophool nonsense. the only thing > they do better is separate you from your money. There's all kinds of > technical reasons that a linear power supply won't improve the Touch, > and there are hundreds of posts on some old threads here on that. But > short answer is: use the Touch with the supplied AC power brick and > enjoy the music! > > edit: if you want to improve your sound, get better speakers, place the > speakers properly, or do other "room treatments". These things can > matter. Not power cords or audio cables. (that is, unless something is > brokenbut if it's broken, it won't be subtle sound quality > differences). I hear ya! Point well taken. Thank you:) celo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
celo wrote: > Thanks Gary. > > Let me ask this. Last night my wife and I did a blind test running the > SBT via power bank and stock AC adapter. > > Both times we liked the AC adapter better. Everything was more open and > real sounding vs. the battery power. Then I thought, maybe an AC adapter > update would make things better. Such as Sbooster or something similar. > What do you think about that? Thanks. You're asking the wrong person. I believe in science and engineering and facts. things like Sbooster are audiophool nonsense. the only thing they do better is separate you from your money. There's all kinds of technical reasons that a linear power supply won't improve the Touch, and there are hundreds of posts on some old threads here on that. But short answer is: use the Touch with the supplied AC power brick and enjoy the music! *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9.1 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
garym wrote: > short answer. no. Keep the SB Touch. Thanks Gary. Let me ask this. Last night my wife and I did a blind test running the SBT via power bank and stock AC adapter. Both times we liked the AC adapter better. Everything was more open and real sounding vs. the battery power. Then I thought, maybe an AC adapter update would make things better. Such as Sbooster or something similar. What do you think about that? Thanks. celo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
celo wrote: > I have been using SBT for few years and have no issues. I use it > strictly as a streamer since I have an external DAC. LMS is running via > RPi3. > > I just came across a used Aires Mini with Sbooster. I will pay double > what I paid for the SBT and if I sell my SBT, my cost will be around > $300 just getting the Aries Mini. > > Is it worth it? short answer. no. Keep the SB Touch. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9.1 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
I have been using SBT for few years and have no issues. I use it strictly as a streamer since I have an external DAC. LMS is running via RPi3. I just came across a used Aires Mini with Sbooster. I will pay double what I paid for the SBT and if I sell my SBT, my cost will be around $300 just getting the Aries Mini. Is it worth it? celo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
I do have the jumbo golden ears! https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ9bPdVR6YBRxuqV4n2aZMUk7DmSr_X3apNXwR11gb6uEKlOjf2 jimmypowder's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=61215 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
Mnyb wrote: > Some off us left the cult in the meantime :D > > All these differences go away once you do proper tests like ABX . > Any reasonably good transport is completely transparent to a human > listener . And in most cases the output from the dac is electrically > identical so there teally is no difference at all . > > Yes the most likly cause for these "differences" is sigthed listening > test with some learned audiophile bias . > > With the small differences in question << 100dB down in the noise or > nonexisting . > All sigthed testing are just anectotes and contain no real information . > > If one subjectively experience very large differences something is ver > wrong either one is heavily biased or the equipment is broken. > > What kind of dac are we talking about ? There are a lot of high end > stuff that performs no better than a chinese dvd player for 50$ so price > really has nothing to do with it . > > If th e equipment in question is audiophile enough it can be broken by > design :/ nos dac anyone ? > > Btw is this tread dead now ? Due to natural causes ? Its complete off > topic . > Anyone actually designing a squeezebox/dac thingy may post i diy instead > . I got the jitterbug ! Its a bad case ,lol .I knew I should have taken a jitterbug shot this winter season. Bits are bits! Jitter gonna hurt my bits. Maybe the Aries is more immune to the jitterbug. Femto clockers working 24/7! Better then jitterbug shots. Oh where is Phil Leigh ? It's too bad he's not here to cure my jitterbug! jimmypowder's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=61215 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
robinbowes wrote: > Heh, it's good to see the "audiophile" arguments lumbering on, and on, > and on... ;) > > It's like I've never been away. :D > > R. Some off us left the cult in the meantime :D All these differences go away once you do proper tests like ABX . Any reasonably good transport is completely transparent to a human listener . And in most cases the output from the dac is electrically identical so there teally is no difference at all . Yes the most likly cause for these "differences" is sigthed listening test with some learned audiophile bias . With the small differences in question << 100dB down in the noise or nonexisting . All sigthed testing are just anectotes and contain no real information . If one subjectively experience very large differences something is ver wrong either one is heavily biased or the equipment is broken. What kind of dac are we talking about ? There are a lot of high end stuff that performs no better than a chinese dvd player for 50$ so price really has nothing to do with it . If th e equipment in question is audiophile enough it can be broken by design :/ nos dac anyone ? Btw is this tread dead now ? Due to natural causes ? Its complete off topic . Anyone actually designing a squeezebox/dac thingy may post i diy instead . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
Heh, it's good to see the "audiophile" arguments lumbering on, and on, and on... ;) It's like I've never been away. :D R. Net-UDAP is free software - you do not have to pay for it. However, if you found it useful, please consider donating: https://projects.robinbowes.com/Net-UDAP/trac#Donations robinbowes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=480 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
"jfo wrote: > What is "grain"?? What I mean is resolution . jimmypowder's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=61215 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
I've never heard grain in sound. I can hear different levels of compression pretty well. I think equipment has to be level matched before you make any worthwhile comparisons. I also heard that implementation of asynchronous usb and other digital outputs was crucial to performance. Perhaps these could be the reasons for difference in sound? Corelli45's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=55246 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
jfo wrote: > What is "grain"?? Good question, I thought of asking that myself. How can something sound grainy :confused: kidstypike 1 x SB3 - 1 x Boom - 1 x (Squeezebox) Radio - 2 x Touch - 2 x piCorePlayer kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
jimmypowder wrote: > LOL. Please. The Touch or Transporter using coax fed into the same dac > doesn't sound as good as the Auralic Aries.Not even close. Not > expectation bias .*I know grain when I hear it*.Maybe its the linear > power supply or something else > but the resolution of the same songs is much better with the Aries. > > Then why is it that the Transporter's digital out to the same dac sounds > clearer then the SB Touch fed into the same dac? What is "grain"?? jfo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1135 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
"jimmypowder wrote: > Lol ok take a listen for yourself then . Demo a Aries and let me know > what you find . By the way I have used multiple dacs and I hear differences jimmypowder's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=61215 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
"cliveb wrote: > Two possibilities: 1. Because you expect it to. 2. Because the DAC in > question has unacceptable sensitivity to different transports. (My > money is strongly on #1) Lol ok take a listen for yourself then . Demo a Aries and let me know what you find . jimmypowder's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=61215 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
jimmypowder wrote: > Then why is it that the Transporter's digital out to the same dac sounds > clearer then the SB Touch fed into the same dac? Two possibilities: 1. Because you expect it to. 2. Because the DAC in question has unacceptable sensitivity to different transports. (My money is strongly on #1) Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
http://archimago.blogspot.com/2013/02/measurements-logitech-squeezebox-touch.html?m=1 Why not just keep that trusty SB 3 then ? Or the cheapest transport you could find ? jimmypowder's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=61215 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
cliveb wrote: > So what you are saying is that you have a DAC which sounds markedly > different when fed from different transports. > Given that the issue of DAC vulnerability to transport variance was > solved at least a decade ago, the only sensible conclusion is that your > DAC is broken in this respect. (Or, if you don't want to countenance > that possibility, the other explanation is that there is actually no > difference and you are experiencing something that affects us all: > expectation bias). LOL. Please. The Touch or Transporter using coax fed into the same dac doesn't sound as good as the Auralic Aries.Not even close. Not expectation bias .I know grain when I hear it. jimmypowder's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=61215 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
jimmypowder wrote: > Anyone wanna buy a Silver Slim Devices Transporter ,I have one in > excellent condition . > > Let me know . I'll bite... How much? Jason doctor_big's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15196 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
As I said, I've never heard a Transporter but I certainly prefer the Vortexbox over the Touch. Interesting to hear your opinions and all the more frustrating that Logitech pulled the plug. Corelli45's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=55246 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
jimmypowder wrote: > All I can tell you is the Auralic is far superior in audio quality > feeding the same dac then either a Transporter or Touch . You can say > Bits are bits but the difference is significant . The Touch is very > grainy compared to the Aries . So what you are saying is that you have a DAC which sounds markedly different when fed from different transports. Given that the issue of DAC vulnerability to transport variance was solved at least a decade ago, the only sensible conclusion is that your DAC is broken in this respect. (Or, if you don't want to countenance that possibility, the other explanation is that there is actually no difference and you are experiencing something that affects us all: expectation bias). Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
jimmypowder wrote: > I prefer the Transporter to the touch for Audio quality fed into the > same dac . I prefer the Transporter over the Touch using both's internal > dac. Neither is modded . +1. Exactly my opinion as well. Greg Erskine's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7403 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
Corelli45 wrote: > Since listening to the Aurender, I've become very cynical about > expensive streamers. They are invariably overpriced and software is > often underdeveloped. I've not listened to a Transporter but quite a few > owners appear to prefer the Touch over the Transporter. I prefer the > Vortexbox usb implementation over the EDO and with a good Dac it easily > challenges more expensive streaming products. I've listened to Naim and > Linn. Volume matched, there really is little difference. I prefer the Transporter to the touch for Audio quality fed into the same dac . I prefer the Transporter over the Touch using both's internal dac. Neither is modded . jimmypowder's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=61215 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
Since listening to the Aurender, I've become very cynical about expensive streamers. They are invariably overpriced and software is often underdeveloped. I've not listened to a Transporter but quite a few owners appear to prefer the Touch over the Transporter. I prefer the Vortexbox usb implementation over the EDO and with a good Dac it easily challenges more expensive streaming products. I've listened to Naim and Linn. Volume matched, there really is little difference. Corelli45's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=55246 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
"kidstypike wrote: > I think it depends on how much the transport costs :) Anyone wanna buy a Silver Slim Devices Transporter ,I have one in excellent condition . Let me know . jimmypowder's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=61215 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
"Zoltan wrote: > In your earlier post you said the "sound quality is terrific". Unless > I am missing something, I would have thought that the only relevant part > SQ-wise of a streamed digital source is the DAC. All I can tell you is the Auralic is far superior in audio quality feeding the same dac then either a Transporter or Touch . You can say Bits are bits but the difference is significant . The Touch is very grainy compared to the Aries . So you don't believe me ,listen to one . jimmypowder's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=61215 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
Zoltan wrote: > In your earlier post you said the "sound quality is terrific". Unless I > am missing something, I would have thought that the only relevant part > SQ-wise of a streamed digital source is the DAC. I think it depends on how much the transport costs :) kidstypike 1 x SB3 - 1 x Boom - 1 x (Squeezebox) Radio - 2 x Touch - 2 x piCorePlayer kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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jimmypowder wrote: > The Aries is not a Dac, just a streamer so you have to connect it to a > dac . USB sounds best on the Aries IMO . In your earlier post you said the "sound quality is terrific". Unless I am missing something, I would have thought that the only relevant part SQ-wise of a streamed digital source is the DAC. Zoltan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9998 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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"Grumpy Bob wrote: > After this week's BBC Radio stream debacle (see the BBC iPlayer plugin > thread in Third Party Software) - does the Auralic Ares still play > decent resolution BBC radio streams? I'm impressed how the SB community > has come together to resolve this in LMS, despite the BBC's attempts to > keep the new HLS streams secret from the licence-paying public. I'm > using a variety of devices (including a Touch, SB3 and 3 x Raspberry Pi) > to stream bits to DACs. Robert Well I'm not sure but Auralic will be adding mytuner radio service within the next month I believe . You can check mytuner to see if the streams are there at the bitrate you want . You can also add the url of any radio station if it's possible . I don't know if that's possible with BBC . By the way , Radio stations play flawlessly . The Aries is not a Dac, just a streamer so you have to connect it to a dac . USB sounds best on the Aries IMO . jimmypowder's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=61215 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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That's the thing about the Squeezebox structure.Its way ahead of others in terms of active support, plug ins, continuous development and reliability. It's also dependent on what your Squeezebox is attached to. With EDO and a quality usb Dac it can challnge even an Aries. I have listened to a Vortexbox attached to a good quality Dac and the differences between that and an Aurender W20 were so negligible that a change wasn't possible. What Ive found is that a well set up Squeezebox network can very easily challenge and sometimes match the super streamers of today. I love this system and the very clever accessories that have built up around it. And I'm now listening to the higher quality BBC R3 stream as I write this. Thanks to bpa and all his generous colleagues. Long live Squeezebox! Corelli45's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=55246 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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jimmypowder wrote: > I bought an Auralic Aries (femto clock version) and it blows away the > Transporter and Squeezebox Touch . > The software needs work but the audio quality is terrific . > Tidal integration , Internet radio , usb external drive support , > AirPlay , Songcast ( better then AirPlay imo . After this week's BBC Radio stream debacle (see the BBC iPlayer plugin thread in Third Party Software) - does the Auralic Ares still play decent resolution BBC radio streams? I'm impressed how the SB community has come together to resolve this in LMS, despite the BBC's attempts to keep the new HLS streams secret from the licence-paying public. I'm using a variety of devices (including a Touch, SB3 and 3 x Raspberry Pi) to stream bits to DACs. Robert Touch > DacMagic 100 > Naim Audio Nait 3 > Mission 752 (plus Rega Planar 3 and Naim CD3) 2 x Squeezebox Radios, 1 X Squeezebox 3 SqueezePad, iPeng, Squeezeplay, piCorePlayer/HiFiBerry, piCorePlayer>DacMagic XS QNAP TS-239, LMS 7.9 last.fm/user/GrumpyBob Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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"castalla wrote: > At 1500 GBP it should make your dinner as well! The Transporter cost 2k when it came out . jimmypowder's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=61215 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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jimmypowder wrote: > I bought an Auralic Aries (femto clock version) and it blows away the > Transporter and Squeezebox Touch . > The software needs work but the audio quality is terrific . > Tidal integration , Internet radio , usb external drive support , > AirPlay , Songcast ( better then AirPlay imo . At 1500 GBP it should make your dinner as well! Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker (mothballed) Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker Squeeze2upnp - Sonos Play1 & Vistron internet radio (Reciva) castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I bought an Auralic Aries (femto clock version) and it blows away the Transporter and Squeezebox Touch . The software needs work but the audio quality is terrific . Tidal integration , Internet radio , usb external drive support , AirPlay , Songcast ( better then AirPlay imo . jimmypowder's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=61215 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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cathcam wrote: > > In the open source software arena, just because you can get Linux, > Apache, Angular JS and a dozen other components which you can build into > an application stack, doesn't then mean you can just call it open source > and resell it with no consequences. > The dozen other components I can't tell anything about but with Linux, Apache and Angular JS this would be no problem at all. The only thing you'll have to do is provide the sources for the parts that are under the GPL license. the Apache and the MIT licenses don't require that. Everybody who tells you otherwise about those licenses should be shot, dismembered, shot again and thrown in an active volcano... A wooden stake through their hearts may also be necessary... There are 10 kinds of people in the world - those who understand binary and those who don't. servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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The people/person who were initially involved in discussing this project here have asked that the discussion stop. Many of us would like to know about the status of the project and why the request for the cessation of discussion. There is nothing wrong with being curious, but after a bit it should just stop. If there at some point happen to be further developments perhaps they will become evident through a different venue than this forum. I would assume that anyone who had a vested interest in the project through either time or money have the means to discuss it outside this forum if they choose to do so. I am beginning to think that the folks who continually bring up this topic have a motive other than learning more about a potential new product. I do not mean to offend but that is what it has become to appear to me. The title of this thread has become real from the perspective that the continued discussion is comical. dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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castalla wrote: > Are you wearing a 'disgruntled costume' in your avatar??!!! Ha ha. (Ask the SNL's father). Guido F. , not S. MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge>ART ADC>Vinyl Studio Vortexbox Appliance>DLink Bridge>Ethernet>Squeezebox Touch/EDO>Benchmark DAC2 D> DSPeaker Antimode Dual Core DRC/EQ/Preamp+CIA PS>Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp> Martin Logan SL3 speakers REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)>Little Dot Mk III amp>AKG K701 headphones Sony D100 amp>PSB alpha B1 speakers TREADMILL: FiiO X3 Digital Music Player>AKG K550 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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guidof wrote: > Even if Michael is the only Logitech employee that has ever looked at > this forum, that makes it at least one Logitech person who is aware of > this discussion. It's not a discussion that looks particularly like good > PR for Logitech, no matter how large the company and how small the > number of potentially disgruntled costumers. > > Guido F. Are you wearing a 'disgruntled costume' in your avatar??!!! Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker (mothballed) Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker Squeeze2upnp - Sonos Play1 & Vistron internet radio (Reciva) castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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pippin wrote: > You are assuming that anyone from Logitech other than Michael has even > looked at this forum over the last two years. I believe that assumption > is wrong. To the contrary, I'd be willing to bet that nobody who matters > in issues like this at Logitech is even aware of this whole discussion. > ... Even if Michael is the only Logitech employee that has ever looked at this forum, that makes it at least one Logitech person who is aware of this discussion. It's not a discussion that looks like good PR for Logitech, no matter how large the company and how small the number of potentially disgruntled costumes. Guido F. MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge>ART ADC>Vinyl Studio Vortexbox Appliance>DLink Bridge>Ethernet>Squeezebox Touch/EDO>Benchmark DAC2 D> DSPeaker Antimode Dual Core DRC/EQ/Preamp+CIA PS>Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp> Martin Logan SL3 speakers REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)>Little Dot Mk III amp>AKG K701 headphones Sony D100 amp>PSB alpha B1 speakers TREADMILL: FiiO X3 Digital Music Player>AKG K550 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Those of you not involved in product design and delivery won't understand how complex a world it is these days. At almost every turn there is some form of consideration that you need legal and licensing agreement with, Just because you can build something from already available components, hardware or software doesn't mean that once built, you can then sell the end result. Just because, for example, you can buy a cheap DAC from a supplier in China, doesn't mean they have the license and the rights to sell it to you to include in another product. In the open source software arena, just because you can get Linux, Apache, Angular JS and a dozen other components which you can build into an application stack, doesn't then mean you can just call it open source and resell it with no consequences. Getting a product to market now, even as a "community" project has all sorts of risks, costs and due diligence. Thats why you see so many go to crowd funding. One of my current favorites due to ship anytime is the Dash Wireless headphones(*1), they raised over $3-million. I hope they've taken all the required steps, otherwise all their time, effort, design and IP could come to nothing when a company comes calling to tell you that the software, hardware or algorithm in your product violates their distribution, or worse patent. So, I have no idea what happened in this instance, but can tell folks that have never produced a product for sale, community, commodity or otherwise, there is much more to it than you'd imagine, and then there are people, their egos and feelings *1 https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hellobragi/the-dash-wireless-smart-in-ear-headphones --- http://about.me/markcathcart Running a ReadyNAS NVX LMS Server, Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0 - 1423154751; Squeezebox Touch, Boom, Radio devices. Also using Squeezeplay on Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 cathcam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43414 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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pippin wrote: > You are assuming that anyone from Logitech other than Michael has even > looked at this forum over the last two years. I believe that assumption > is wrong. To the contrary, I'd be willing to bet that nobody who matters > in issues like this at Logitech is even aware of this whole discussion. > > And I agree all that crying out loud might cause is that this might > change and that would be a bad thing for everyone. > > I just imaging people writing angry mails to Logitech management about > some purported behavior they have never even heard of based on > information brought forward in this thread... Want this forum to be shut > down? That's probably the best way to make sure it is... Indeed, again from experience, as a Senior design engineer at currently Dell but for 22-years at IBM, big companies NEVER deny anything. Why? Because it is very hard for them to be accurate about what they are denying. Do they know for a fact none of their employees participated in the thing they are denying? For the most part no and once you go beyond a couple of hundred it's to difficult and time consuming to be sure(*1). While an employee may feel they can comment or be involved in something as an individual, if a company denies something, you and the law would asume they mean it and the denial covered all their employees. This post wasn't specifically aimed at the topic of this post, just an explanation of why what was proposed won't happen. *1. At least as of 2013, Logitech had 9,000 employees. --- http://about.me/markcathcart Running a ReadyNAS NVX LMS Server, Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0 - 1423154751; Squeezebox Touch, Boom, Radio devices. Also using Squeezeplay on Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 cathcam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43414 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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guidof wrote: > Absent any actual information, one can only speculate. But if Logitech > was not involved, then it would seem to be good PR for them to say so on > this forum. > You are assuming that anyone from Logitech other than Michael has even looked at this forum over the last two years. I believe that assumption is wrong. To the contrary, I'd be willing to bet that nobody who matters in issues like this at Logitech is even aware of this whole discussion. And I agree all that crying out loud might cause is that this might change and that would be a bad thing for everyone. I just imaging people writing angry mails to Logitech management about some purported behavior they have never even heard of based on information brought forward in this thread... Want this forum to be shut down? That's probably the best way to make sure it is... --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 8, the Universal App for iOS 7 and iOS 8* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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JJZolx wrote:
> I'd just like to think that the idea of a community Squeezebox player is
> still possible. And if not, I'd like to know why not. Speculative or
> not.
>
A community based Squeezebox player is possible but it needs to be
organized under a company or some individual needs to be prepare to risk
legal actions as an individual (not recommended). We should respect the
wishes of the leaders of the previous now dead project and make sure to
use new threads and new project name for any new effort.
If anyone wants to do something and think they have the necessary
skills, please send me a mail or PM and we can see if there is a
potential to organize something. I don't want any mail/PM from people
who just want the final product but doesn't have the necessary technical
skills to do the work.
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guidof wrote:
> Absent any actual information, one can only speculate. But if Logitech
> was not involved, then it would seem to be good PR for them to say so on
> this forum.
>
This is a community forum, there have never been much official posts
from Logitech here, the most official posts you will see are those from
mherger, who has already said that he don't think Logitech is involved.
If you want me to speculate, the reason to not use the name of the old
dead project is just to avoid further legal actions towards the previous
members of that project, but this is just speculation.
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Pascal Hibon wrote: > Common man, just let it go. > The people involved who have asked to drop this discussion will have a > very good reason. To continue nagging about it will not help and for > sure you want get any further answers due to the reasons already > mentioned several times by those involved. > Move on and let it rest. I'm not nagging anyone. I'd just like to think that the idea of a community Squeezebox player is still possible. And if not, I'd like to know why not. Speculative or not. I don't give a damn if the guy with the supposed legal issues never posts again in these forums. That's his decision, but the "don't talk about it" angle is pure bullshit. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland wrote: > > > I'm reasonably sure that Logitech isn't involved in any legal action > related to the old dead project, so don't consider Logitech to be the > bad guy regarding all this. > > > Skickat från min iPhone med Tapatalk Absent any actual information, one can only speculate. But if Logitech was not involved, then it would seem to be good PR for them to say so on this forum. Guido F. MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge>ART ADC>Vinyl Studio Vortexbox Appliance>DLink Bridge>Ethernet>Squeezebox Touch/EDO>Benchmark DAC2 D> DSPeaker Antimode Dual Core DRC/EQ/Preamp+CIA PS>Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp> Martin Logan SL3 speakers REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)>Little Dot Mk III amp>AKG K701 headphones Sony D100 amp>PSB alpha B1 speakers TREADMILL: FiiO X3 Digital Music Player>AKG K550 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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JJZolx wrote: > More assumptions and speculation, just like those voiced by the previous > poster. > > How can you know "the important lesson" unless you know the issues that > were (or weren't) dealt with? If you don't think Logitech was involved, > then why would you think the name was an issue? That makes no sense. Common man, just let it go. The people involved who have asked to drop this discussion will have a very good reason. To continue nagging about it will not help and for sure you want get any further answers due to the reasons already mentioned several times by those involved. Move on and let it rest. 'M-DAC' (http://www.audiolab.co.uk/M-DAC%20Series.aspx?lang=En) -> 'Cambridge Audio Azur 840E' (http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/azur-840e-pre-amplifier) -> 'Focal MP1200' (http://www.mp1200.co.nf/) -> 'Focal Electra 1028 Be' (http://www.focal.com/en/electra-1000-be-2/209-electra-1028-be-3544053695099.html) 1 x SB3, 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio and 2 x SB Touch - all wireless 1 x Wandboard Dual behind the bedroom ceiling 1 x Wandboard Dual for 'msqueeze' (http://www.msqueeze.co.nf/index.html) project 1 x Wandboard Quad (will eventually become my LMS server) ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.8.1. - 1402661598 iPeng 7 on iPhone. SqueezePad & iPeng 7 on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Whilst it does sound all very intriguing, it is what it is and people will need to move on from this. These kind of things do invariably happen. All we can do is hope that the fall-out for those involved is kept to a minimum. For those wondering about others entering the market, do note that there are a number of distros currently based on LMS and of those quite a few Vortexbox-based hardware providers out there already. None of these appear to be getting sued and the world of squeezebox still seems far from a dead end. We're also still quietly tinkering away with our own box.. due later this year. Whilst we will be paying particular attention to any licensing issues, it's still less of a minefield than using other solutions as the majority of components are covered by GPL. I don't really it stopping us or anyone else. So, in the immortal words of the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy - Don't Panic! mintaudio's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59106 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland wrote: > I think the important lesson for anyone that want to release a hardware > product/DIY-kit in the future is to make sure to do it through a company > instead of an unofficial community group or individual. Also, make sure > to use a name and thread that isn't closely related to the old dead > project. > > I think the important lesson for anyone that want to release a hardware > product/DIY-kit in the future is to make sure to do it through a company > instead of an unofficial community group or individual. Also, make sure > to use a name and thread that isn't closely related to the old dead > project. > > I'm reasonably sure that Logitech isn't involved in any legal action > related to the old dead project, so don't consider Logitech to be the > bad guy regarding all this. More assumptions and speculation, just like those voiced by the previous poster. How can you know "the important lesson" unless you know the issues that were (or weren't) dealt with? If you don't think Logitech was involved, then why would you think the name was an issue? That makes no sense. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mark Miksis wrote:
> To me, the sad thing is that I wonder how many other potential third
> party projects or contributors are deterred by the mystery and
> uncertainty of all this. I suspect that the truth about all of this is
> much more mundane and narrowly defined than most people suspect.
> Without knowing that for sure, though, any future third party projects
> may be slowed.
It has made me more careful of what I post in some threads in the forum.
Mainly because I want to ensure to not make the legal problems worse for
the people involved by saying something that make them violate a NDA
they might have signed just because they are frustrated.
I think the important lesson for anyone that want to release a hardware
product/DIY-kit in the future is to make sure to do it through a company
instead of an unofficial community group or individual. Also, make sure
to use a name and thread that isn't closely related to the old dead
project.
I'm reasonably sure that Logitech isn't involved in any legal action
related to the old dead project, so don't consider Logitech to be the
bad guy regarding all this.
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Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
Mark Miksis wrote: > To me, the sad thing is that I wonder how many other potential third > party projects or contributors are deterred by the mystery and > uncertainty of all this. I suspect that the truth about all of this is > much more mundane and narrowly defined than most people suspect. > Without knowing that for sure, though, any future third party projects > may be slowed. I've dealt with this many times in many 25-years in senior positions for a couple of the worlds top computer companies. There really is nothing to be gained by speculating further here, the best thing is for those that want to pursue something real and related to the product owned by Logitech, is to contact them through their licensing, partner or legal team. One project, an emulator of a specific piece of equipment, survives to this day 20-years later exactly because once the escalation and war of words started, it was clearly best for everyone to withdraw from public debate and settle the disagreement privately. As a result, a book I co-wrote had to be recalled, and a second issue published without an entire chapter. It was an interesting and stressful example of backdown tactics. All the facebooks, twitters, fora, an interweb comments in the world won't solve this. There are potentially any number of legal issues to overcome before building a device capable of providing the same services as a Logitech Squeezebox, including copyright, trademark, patents etc. Anyone involved in the original creation of the software and hardware products and services around these products can be subject to any number of restrictions. While we can speculate, if there are indeed legal holds in place in relation to discussion, any one that knows risks serious penalties if they give any real direction or answers. Continuing to push for disclosure will likely end in "if want something really bad, thats how you get it, really bad" category --- http://about.me/markcathcart Running a ReadyNAS NVX LMS Server, Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0 - 1423154751; Squeezebox Touch, Boom, Radio devices. Also using Squeezeplay on Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 cathcam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43414 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
To me, the sad thing is that I wonder how many other potential third party projects or contributors are deterred by the mystery and uncertainty of all this. I suspect that the truth about all of this is much more mundane and narrowly defined than most people suspect. Without knowing that for sure, though, any future third party projects may be slowed. Mark Miksis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=529 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
JJZolx wrote: > The point you can't seem to get through your head is that people are > past caring about you. No, I get that. I can't not get it. You and others, (by their words and actions), have made crystal clear! mherger wrote: > I think your best bet to let this topic pass away is to no longer post > about it. It's like telling a troll to stop trolling. He'll always have > the last word. Only when you ignore him he'll stop. Thank you for the advice, Michael. JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
doctor_big wrote: > I'd imagine the maker of mice and small computer speakers (who else > could it be?) has deep pockets and razor-sharp rat-like lawyers. If they > were swarming up my trouser leg, I'd likely say whatever they told me to > say in order to stop them suing me into oblivion. Mr. Swenson wasn't worried about lawyers just a few days ago. Long after the whoa-is-me claims of the other guy. It's not like he was unaware of the legal issues, whatever they may have been. If there are rat-like lawyers involved, I highly doubt they belong to the maker of mice and computer speakers. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I'd imagine the maker of mice and small computer speakers (who else could it be?) That's 100% speculation. While I'm not informed about everything happening in the company, I very much doubt your claim. I would have heard about this either internally or from one of the persons involved in this. But I haven't. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
I'd imagine the maker of mice and small computer speakers (who else could it be?) has deep pockets and razor-sharp rat-like lawyers. If they were swarming up my trouser leg, I'd likely say whatever they told me to say in order to stop them suing me into oblivion. Give these guys a break. Jason. doctor_big's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15196 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
Thank you Michael. Good advice, although I suspect it's far from the last we'll hear on the subject from the guy who doesn't want to talk about it. John Swenson: I hope you haven't gone back into hibernation. Just a couple of days ago you seemed very excited about moving on with the hardware project you'd been working on. Is it alive, or has someone put the fear of God into you about being sued? JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
Please guys, let it go, for now. You want answers. I hear that! You want an explanation. I hear that! JackOfAll - I think your best bet to let this topic pass away is to no longer post about it. It's like telling a troll to stop trolling. He'll always have the last word. Only when you ignore him he'll stop. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
You keep making this about you. The point you can't seem to get through your head is that people are past caring about you or your problems. They care about what happened to the community Squeezebox project, and what issues are keeping it from happening. If you're under a non-disclosure agreement, fine, feel free to not post any further about yourself. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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JJZolx wrote: > That's up to him. He could have just let it go, but he insisted that > nobody talk about it. I've never heard of such a thing and cannot fathom > how it could possibly affect his legal situation one way or the other. > The real mistake was in shutting down the thread. Because you "cannot fathom". The reason you cannot fathom is simple. I'm not at liberty to spell it out for you! Please guys, let it go, for now. You want answers. I hear that! You want an explanation. I hear that! I cannot "blurt out" the most pertinent piece of information surrounding all of this. It is subject to a non-disclosure clause! Permission is being sort from the other party to that agreement, to vary the terms of the agreement, so a full public statement can be made. I'm past caring, what sort of person people will perceive me, (or others to be), when the facts are known. But, believe me, when I say, I want to put this behind me and get on with my life. Speculation, spoof threads, name calling, etc. etc. Right now, it is not helpful. Save it until you do have something factual to discuss. JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Was it perhaps the name that shall not be mentioned but sounded a bit like Disunity Quease, that was the problem? I'm truly sorry for the bad fortunes that may have fell upon involved parties, but the way it has been communicated in these forums is bound to draw ridicule. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
Mnyb wrote: > What is mysterius to me is why resurrecting the hardware part " a wand > board compatible DAC " is such a problem . > > it locks just like any of the other solutions around this forum , with > diverse hardware conected to PI boards or odroids and similar . > Software to make it a squeezebox emulator is around everywhere on the > forum ? > > The rest of the old project can be as dead as it want to be ? You're right, it doesn't add up at all. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
What is mysterius to me is why resurrecting the hardware part " a wand board compatible DAC " is such a problem . it locks just like any of the other solutions around this forum , with diverse hardware conected to PI boards or odroids and similar . Software to make it a squeezebox emulator is around everywhere on the forum ? The rest of the old project can be as dead as it want to be ? Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
dasmueller wrote: > Some of the posts over the last several days have made many of us > curious without a doubt. It appears that no further information of > substance will be forthcoming in the near future. > > I suggest we let it drop and perhaps at some point in the future we will > learn more. For the present I think we are done and there is no point in > asking for more clarification. That's up to him. He could have just let it go, but he insisted that nobody talk about it. I've never heard of such a thing and cannot fathom how it could possibly affect his legal situation one way or the other. The real mistake was in shutting down the thread. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
Some of the posts over the last several days have made many of us curious without a doubt. It appears that no further information of substance will be forthcoming in the near future. I suggest we let it drop and perhaps at some point in the future we will learn more. For the present I think we are done and there is no point in asking for more clarification. dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
JackOfAll wrote: > Was it? The reason I asked for the thread to be closed was that the > subject being discussed has already been subject to legal action last > year. And as of today, it is in the hands of lawyers again. If that > makes me a "microcephalic pillock", in your no doubt, humble opinion, > then so be it. You're not doing yourself any favors by not explaining the situation. You just want the discussion to end, as though it didn't happen. That's impossible. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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P Nelson wrote: > JackofAll, I can only imagine the pain you are suffering from the legal > action, that you clearly did not anticipate and most likely did not > deserve. I saw in another closed post your request for "I respectfully > ask people not to discuss this in any way, shape or form. The only thing > that will result, if you don't respect this, is to make a bad situation, > even worse!" > > Unfortunately, I don't think this is a realistic request or expectation > given that your problem is public. It is natural that people are going > to discuss and speculate given the scant information that has been > provided. > > What I worry about is if this situation of closing threads attracts the > attention of Logitech management and they decide to shut down this forum > as they no longer sell squeezebox products and this becomes a headache. > In that case, continued user support for our beloved product comes to an > end. For this reason, this discussion needs to go elsewhere on some > other hosted forum. > > Paul Why not just accept that the thread and its contents are closed? Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker (mothballed) Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker Squeeze2upnp - Sonos Play1 & Vistron internet radio (Reciva) castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
JackOfAll wrote: > Was it? The reason I asked for the thread to be closed was that the > subject being discussed has already been subject to legal action last > year. And as of today, it is in the hands of lawyers again. If that > makes me a "microcephalic pillock", in your no doubt, humble opinion, > then so be it. JackofAll, I can only imagine the pain you are suffering from the legal action, that you clearly did not anticipate and most likely did not deserve. I saw in another closed post your request for "I respectfully ask people not to discuss this in any way, shape or form. The only thing that will result, if you don't respect this, is to make a bad situation, even worse!" Unfortunately, I don't think this is a realistic request or expectation given that your problem is public. It is natural that people are going to discuss and speculate given the scant information that has been provided. What I worry about is if this situation of closing threads attracts the attention of Logitech management and they decide to shut down this forum as they no longer sell squeezebox products and this becomes a headache. In that case, continued user support for our beloved product comes to an end. For this reason, this discussion needs to go elsewhere on some other hosted forum. Paul P Nelson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58158 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
Dogberry2 wrote: > Obviously people were interested in continuing the discussion; that's > the reason the thread was closed. Was it? The reason I asked for the thread to be closed was that the subject being discussed has already been subject to legal action last year. And as of today, it is in the hands of lawyers again. If that makes me a "microcephalic pillock", in your no doubt, humble opinion, then so be it. JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Dogberry2 wrote: > Isn't there enough interest out there to create a replacement thread, > with contributions from the community to keep it going? That's exactly what my "high-end hardware player" thread was intended to foster. -mark mbonsack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1398 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
"Moribund" is a strange adjective to apply to a thread with more than twenty new posts in just the last four days. Obviously people were interested in continuing the discussion; that's the reason the thread was closed. If it were moribund, it wouldn't have had to be shut down. Nobody demands the death penalty when the accused is already dead. Dogberry2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Dogberry2 wrote: > Suppose some microcephalic pillock(s) arranged for a popular discussion > thread to be shut down? Isn't there enough interest out there to create > a replacement thread, with contributions from the community to keep it > going? I think there is. The raw material is all there; all that's > needed is to pull it together and continue the discussion. After all, > the entire English language is in the public domain, so it isn't as if > there would be any restrictions preventing people from talking about > whatever they like. Maybe things have moved on - there are plenty of alternative devices which can substitute for the original SBs. What would continuation of a moribund thread actually achieve? Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker (mothballed) Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker Squeeze2upnp - Sonos Play1 & Vistron internet radio (Reciva) castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Suppose some microcephalic pillock(s) arranged for a popular discussion thread to be shut down? Isn't there enough interest out there to create a replacement thread, with contributions from the community to keep it going? I think there is. The raw material is all there; all that's needed is to pull it together and continue the discussion. After all, the entire English language is in the public domain, so it isn't as if there would be any restrictions preventing people from talking about whatever they like. Dogberry2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
