Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
garym wrote: > I have nothing in my exclusions settings. then again, I only use this > for my music files folder, so none of those directories should even be > there for me.Like garym said the other exclusions are not relevant if you > only scan the Music folder Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
dasmueller wrote: > I did that for the Thumbs > > the others listed are > \System Volume Information\ > \$Recycle.Bin\ > \RECYCLER\ > \RECYCLED\ > *\desktop.ini > > are you suggesting I delete those also ? No maybe just desktop.ini. I have some of those in my music folder but only 19. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
dasmueller wrote: > I did that for the Thumbs > > the others listed are > \System Volume Information\ > \$Recycle.Bin\ > \RECYCLER\ > \RECYCLED\ > *\desktop.ini > > are you suggesting I delete those also ? I have nothing in my exclusions settings. then again, I only use this for my music files folder, so none of those directories should even be there for me. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9.1 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
slartibartfast wrote: > I'm on 5.15. Just updated to 9.6 and I cannot see it either. Seems to > have been removed. You could clear the filter using the drop down menu > next to the red funnel at the top of the page. > > Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk I did that for the Thumbs the others listed are \System Volume Information\ \$Recycle.Bin\ \RECYCLER\ \RECYCLED\ *\desktop.ini are you suggesting I delete those also ? dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
dasmueller wrote: > I'm running version 8.4 and do not see the box you refer toI'm on 5.15. Just > updated to 9.6 and I cannot see it either. Seems to have been removed. You could clear the filter using the drop down menu next to the red funnel at the top of the page. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
dasmueller wrote: > I'm running version 8.4 and do not see the box you refer to At the top of page, between the "compare" box and the "synchronize" box, there is a graphic of a filter. Click the filter and you'll see options (3 different tabs of options) *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9.1 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
slartibartfast wrote: > When you untick "Hide excluded files" in freefilesync at the bottom of > the page you should see all the extra files in the source folder. > > Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk I'm running version 8.4 and do not see the box you refer to dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
dasmueller wrote: > OK, if I ggo into folder options and unclick-Hide protected operating > system files the Thumbs are then visible. > > That leaves 2 questions > > 1. why do some folders have them and others not ? > 2. how to find what and where are the other 451 extra files in the > source folder When you untick "Hide excluded files" in freefilesync at the bottom of the page you should see all the extra files in the source folder. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
OK, if I ggo into folder options and unclick-Hide protected operating system files the Thumbs are then visible. That leaves 2 questions 1. why do some folders have them and others not ? 2. how to find what and where are the other 451 extra files in the source folder dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
dasmueller wrote: > The why can't I see them in the folder itself ? > > and there are still 451 files unaccounted forAre you showing extensions for > files? I don't know but maybe if extensions are hidden then a search will not find them. If you just open an album folder is there a thumbs file in there? Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
slartibartfast wrote: > OK but you did say that thumbs showed up in freefilesync so they must be > there. > > Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk The why can't I see them in the folder itself ? dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
dasmueller wrote: > I typed *.db in the search filter area top rightOK but you did say that > thumbs showed up in freefilesync so they must be there. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
slartibartfast wrote: > If I search for *.db in my Music folder I find hundreds of files. Are > you sure you are searching correctly as turning off the filter reveals > them to be there. > > Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk I typed *.db in the search filter area top right dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
that's what I was describing above-it does not show # of files dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
dasmueller wrote: > When I removed thumbs from the filters thumbs showed on the source drive > > > > entering*.db showed nothing > > both folders are set to show hidden filesIf I search for *.db in my Music > folder I find hundreds of files. Are you sure you are searching correctly as turning off the filter reveals them to be there. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
dasmueller wrote: > did not see anywhere that had a number of files so I highlighted > everything and right clicked, selected properties both folders showed > 934915307406 bytes that's a good sign. Can you add all your files from a drive to a single playlist (I think just right click and add). And then the playlist shows you how many tracks? I use facets, so it looks a bit different than basic foobar. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9.1 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
did not see anywhere that had a number of files so I highlighted everything and right clicked, selected properties both folders showed 934915307406 bytes dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
did you ever get the foobar2000 counts? *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9.1 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
slartibartfast wrote: > It could be thumbs.db files filtered out by freefilesync. What do you > see if you untick "Hide excluded items" ? > > Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk When I removed thumbs from the filters thumbs showed on the source drive garym wrote: > and search each drive's folder for *.db and see if files show up on one > and not the other. entering*.db showed nothing both folders are set to show hidden files dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
slartibartfast wrote: > It could be thumbs.db files filtered out by freefilesync. What do you > see if you untick "Hide excluded items" ? > > Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk and search each drive's folder for *.db and see if files show up on one and not the other. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9.1 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
dasmueller wrote: > https://www.freefilesync.org/faq.php#explorer-numbers-mismatch > > here is what I got at FreeFileSync forum-not much helpIt could be thumbs.db > files filtered out by freefilesync. What do you see if you untick "Hide excluded items" ? Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
https://www.freefilesync.org/faq.php#explorer-numbers-mismatch here is what I got at FreeFileSync forum-not much help dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
DJanGo; Tried that nothing showed up. I did see at the bottom 0 of 43657 rows in both directions dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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dasmueller wrote: > no hidden files a simple -dir /AH /B /S k:\- could proove if you're right or wrong... DJanGo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1516 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
dasmueller wrote: > You are correct, the smaller number is the target folder. I do not use a > NAS and know of no hidden files. Foobar is loading now-will take awhile. > > I did post the question in the FreeFileSync forum to see what thoughts > folks there might have. I assume you are Mirroring the left side to the right side? 24159 If yes, try hitting the button (circled below) which reverses the sync direction, and then hit the *compare* button, this may show if there are files that are going to be deleted. *Do not* hit the Synchronize button, and remember to switch back to how it was. 24160 +---+ |Filename: reverse.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24160| +---+ *Study/Server - LMS 7.9.1 - *Raspberry Pi3/Pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/piCorePlayer 3.22/jivelite, 25K library on WDMyCloud, cache and playlists on a USB stick (formatted ntfs). *Lounge* - RPi 2/Max2Play > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Boom *Garage* - Radio *In car* - LMS 7.9.1 > RPi3/Max2Play/Access Point plugin > HiFiBerry DAC+ > car's hifi (files on a 2TB portable USB drive) *Spares* - 1xTouch, 1xSB3 kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
You are correct, the smaller number is the target folder. I do not use a NAS and know of no hidden files. Foobar is loading now-will take awhile. dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
Hmmm, I see you are comparing same folders, so that's good. Number of subfolders is exactly the same, but files different. That makes me nervous. When I do this, the files, folders, and bytes (not bytes on disc, but the first listing of total bytes) are all identical. I assume the drive with the greater number of files is your source disk and the smaller number of files is your new backup (target)? Not sure what's causing this. Is one of these a NAS? Are there hidden files somewhere not being transferred. I recall you use foobar2000 as well. If so, open up foobar2000 and change your music library to the "tagged" folder of the original drive. Then in foobar2000 what does it tell you about the total number of music tracks? Then change your music library to the tagged folder of the new drive. What does foobar2000 tell you about total tracks? Are both the same or different? *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9.1 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
What you speak of Gary is what I did-just compared the 2 music folders +---+ |Filename: screenshot.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24158| +---+ dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
dasmueller wrote: > I finally ran FreeFileSync yesterday. Took a little over 19 hrs. Odd > thing is I went to each of the 2 folders, right clicked and selected > properties. The total folders and files were different. I then went to > FreeFileSync and hit the compare button. The screen flashed and if one > looked quickly there was a temporary msg that all files were in sync. > > Any thoughts ? hmmm, something is wrong I'd say. When you compare the two drives after synching the two, you should have exactly the same number of files and folders (and even exact total bytes). One thing to check (and this happens to me sometimes). Make sure when you do properties that you are only selecting the top folder of the music files you synched and then select properties, and not the entire drive (which could have other files on it *other than* the music folders you synched. for example, if you compare: d:\musicfiles\ to e:\ you may get different count that includes files outside of \musicfiles\ folder. So you want: d:\musicfiles e:\musicfiles *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9.1 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
I finally ran FreeFileSync yesterday. Took a little over 19 hrs. Odd thing is I went to each of the 2 folders, right clicked and selected properties. The total folders and files were different. I then went to FreeFileSync and hit the compare button. The screen flashed and if one looked quickly there was a temporary msg that all files were in sync. Any thoughts ? dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
dasmueller wrote: > I have a backup already. The reason I am doing this is that my primary > music folder is on a 1 TB HDD which has only about 30 G free space. > backup is a 1.5 TB HDD so it has plenty of space. I bought a 2 TB > Toshiba external from Amazon for $64 which I thought was a great price. > The plan is to use the 2 TB as the primary and then take the 1 TB and > convert everything to mp3 and give it to my son who only uses mp3s. good plan. amazing how cheap USB storage is getting. I recently bought some 4TB USB drives the size of a pack of cigarettes and they were pretty cheap as I recall. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9.1 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
I have a backup already. The reason I am doing this is that my primary music folder is on a 1 TB HDD which has only about 30 G free space. backup is a 1.5 TB HDD so it has plenty of space. I bought a 2 TB Toshiba external from Amazon for $64 which I thought was a great price. The plan is to use the 2 TB as the primary and then take the 1 TB and convert everything to mp3 and give it to my son who only uses mp3s. dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
dasmueller wrote: > Thanks gary > > I'll probably run it overnight that's what I did. Good news is that once you have a backup drive, the updating with changes is very fast and automatic. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9.1 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
Thanks gary I'll probably run it overnight dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
dasmueller wrote: > Played w FreeFileSync again this AM. What I need to do is copy my music > to a brand new HDD. I played w some newly created folders and used two > way sync. It appeared to work Am I missing anything ? > > I have 860 G to process any thoughts on time frame ? Should I do in > batches ? In my settings, I use the "synchronize Mirror __>" setting on the upper right side. That is, I want the target drive (right side) to be an exact copy of the source drive (left side).I prefer this over two way sync. With two way sync, something odd that I did with the target drive would then end up polluting the source drive. See pic. Also, I've done over 1TB in one batch. Shouldn't be an issue, just takes a while. 24092 +---+ |Filename: CropperCapture[1].jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24092| +---+ *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9.1 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
Played w FreeFileSync again this AM. What I need to do is copy my music to a brand new HDD. I played w some newly created folders and used two way sync. It appeared to work Am I missing anything ? I have 860 G to process any thoughts on time frame ? Should I do in batches ? dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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You are correct, there were no subfolders. I think I understand better now what I need to do next time. Thanks ! dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
dasmueller wrote: > Was playing w freefilesync earlier and ran into the following issue. It > appears that it looks at and compares files within a folder but not the > folders themselves. What I did was load a folder into the left side and > then selected a destination location on the right. The folder did not > previously exist in the location folder on the right. The files then > appeared in the location on the right, but not the folder itself. I > would guess I am missing something settings wise. If I want to update > drive F to match drive K if drive K has folders that do not currently > exist on drive F what settings should I choose ? The *CONTENTS* (subfolders and files) of the folder on the left, will be copied to the folder you select on the right. Note the word "contents". In your test example there were probably just files, no subfolders? In the example below, the contents of the folder "Candy Dulfer" (files *and* sufolders) will be copied to the destination on the right. +---+ |Filename: Pic02.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21160| +---+ kidstypike LMS on Raspberry Pi 3/max2play/HiFiBerry DAC+ > AVI DM5 1 x SB3 - 1 x Boom - 1 x (Squeezebox) Radio - 2 x Touch - 2 x Raspberry Pi/max2play/HiFiBerry kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
It should create the missing (new) folder. Maybe you need to be choosing the parent directory just above the folder. For example if I have flac/artist/album/tracks i set c:/flac to be the directory synched. I dont recall call any user settings related to folders, but I'm away from computer and can't check *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng8 & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
Was playing w freefilesync earlier and ran into the following issue. It appears that it looks at and compares files within a folder but not the folders themselves. What I did was load a folder into the left side and then selected a destination location on the right. The folder did not previously exist in the location folder on the right. The files then appeared in the location on the right, but not the folder itself. I would guess I am missing something settings wise. If I want to update drive F to match drive K if drive K has folders that do not currently exist on drive F what settings should I choose ? dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
d6jg wrote: > > Or does the backup software allow you to mirror without deletions ? Yes, freefilesync has 3 options for files that are being deleted from the mirror drive: put them in recycle bin, permanently delete, or move files to a user defined folder. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng8 & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym wrote: > I don't add files each time I rip a new CD and instead wait until I get > a week or two's worth and then do all the updating. I do listen to my new stuff asap. (Hard lesson learned) But i rip them into a special folder, tag these and do a copy job into my library once i am finished. eg. "sucking samplers" some spell artists different than others and i want to be sure that "my" artist matches the new files. DJanGo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1516 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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d6jg wrote: > I'd suggest that the mirroring approach only fulfills half of the > requirements for a good backup. > What happens if you accidentally delete some files on your main drive > but don't notice for a period of time. A period of time during which the > "deletion" has been written to your backup. > > I use rsync from my main server to 2 others. One is local (i.e. in my > house), the other is remote but I don't sync deletions. The upside is > even if I accidentally delete a file its still on the backups. The > downside is that when I replace an MP3 rip of a particular CD with a > FLAC one I can, and do, end up with 2 copies of the CD on the backups. > > Or does the backup software allow you to mirror without deletions ? excellent point and I agree. This is why all my backups are not created from a single "master". I didn't go into all that, but more specifically, I have 3 working systems (home, office, and weekend cottage). Each of these has a "master". Additions/deletions from these 3 masters are NOT done automatically. I manually add new files, remove duplicates, etc. The only comparisons I do are that when all 3 are manually updated with changes, I can check to see that the (1) total number of files/directories, (2) total number of tracks, and (3) total number of albums are all identical. Then at each of these 3 locations I have backup HDDs that I use freefilesync to keep in sync with the master from that location. At office and weekend cottage I only have one external backup HDD. At home (which I consider the "main" system) I have two USB HDDs containing synched copy of "home" master. The backups are stored not connected to power or a computer. The downside of this is that I have to keep a temporary drive containing files I need to add to all 3 locations and keep a log reminding me what I need to do at each location to keep all up to date. This sounds way more complicated than it is. Just a few lines in a file, with some dates that things happened so I know the status. I suspect that I am not as good about keeping track of minor tagging tweaks across the 3 locations, but I do try. The upside is that I have 3 parallel systems, all with backups, and the files are not cross-contaminating across the 3 sets. Accidental deletion at one location doesn't taint another location. And after adding new files, deleting files, etc. at any location, I always confirm that the totals mentioned above are consistent across the 3 locations. Again, all sounds complex, but really simple and something I just do on a regular basis (I add new rips, etc. (or re-rips in FLAC of old mp3 rips) about every week or two; I don't add files each time I rip a new CD and instead wait until I get a week or two's worth and then do all the updating. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng8 & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
dasmueller wrote: > Do these solutions take into account that both drives have the same > files but tags may be different ? why not? unless you didnt change filestamps. btw: xcopy /D /Y source:\ destination:\ or rsync is always a good solution DJanGo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1516 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I'd suggest that the mirroring approach only fulfills half of the requirements for a good backup. What happens if you accidentally delete some files on your main drive but don't notice for a period of time. A period of time during which the "deletion" has been written to your backup. I use rsync from my main server to 2 others. One is local (i.e. in my house), the other is remote but I don't sync deletions. The upside is even if I accidentally delete a file its still on the backups. The downside is that when I replace an MP3 rip of a particular CD with a FLAC one I can, and do, end up with 2 copies of the CD on the backups. Or does the backup software allow you to mirror without deletions ? *Vortexbox LMS 7.9 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 -> Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B P7 *Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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kidstypike wrote: > Yes, that's exactly how I make backups, from a master copy of all my > music on my "L" drive, and only make changes to tags/files on this > drive. > > I suggested two way synching only as a means of getting *all* music > files onto both drives. agree! the two way synching is the answer to get both drives consistent with each other since neither is the "master". *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng8 & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym wrote: > > > edit: In my own use case, I'm not doing two way synching as suggested > to the OP. This would be needed initially to make sure files are same on > BOTH backup drives. Once this is done however, I'd do one way > mirroring. That is, I have the base HDD that I've made changes to, then > I'd make sure that the backup drives contain the new/changed files. in > freefilesync this is "synchronize MIRROR >>>" so that the HDD on the > right side of screen is a mirror of the HDD on the left side of the > screen (my base HDD). Yes, that's exactly how I make backups, from a master copy of all my music on my "L" drive, and only make changes to tags/files on this drive. I suggested two way synching only as a means of getting *all* music files onto both drives. kidstypike LMS on Raspberry Pi 3/max2play/HiFiBerry DAC+ > AVI DM5 1 x SB3 - 1 x Boom - 1 x (Squeezebox) Radio - 2 x Touch - 2 x Raspberry Pi/max2play/HiFiBerry kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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kidstypike wrote: > FreeFileSync http://www.freefilesync.org/ can copy any missing files > from one folder to another, and vice versa, I also use freefilesync to keep my backup drives synched. regarding whether same file, different tags will be synched I use the comparison option of "compare file size and time". See link: http://www.freefilesync.org/manual.php?topic=comparison-settings If I've changed the tags in a file, it will change the file modification date (I use mp3tag for tagging; it has an option to either change or not change the file modification date and I allow it to change the modification date because I do want my backups to pickup any new version of a file even if all I did was edit the tags). *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng8 & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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kidstypike wrote: > FreeFileSync http://www.freefilesync.org/ can copy any missing files > from one folder to another, and vice versa, so you would finish up with > both folders containing the same files. > Or you could just press the "Compare" button and sift through the list > manually. slate wrote: > When I update my backups i use "Total Commander"; menu "Commands" -> > "Synchronize dirs" > > I also use it at work when I have to compare source code trees ( files > including content). Do these solutions take into account that both drives have the same files but tags may be different ? dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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When I update my backups i use "Total Commander"; menu "Commands" -> "Synchronize dirs" I also use it at work when I have to compare source code trees ( files including content). Main: Receiver (Audiocom) -> Beresford Caiman+ (Gatorized) -> Carver A-500x -> B 704 Office: Receiver -> Luxman L-210 -> Stax SR84 Pro -> Beresford Bushmaster -> Superlux HD668B Server: A8-5500, 4 GB, SSD+ 2*1 TB, Win8 w. SBS 7.9.0 (SQLite w. High Mem) Tied together by D-Link DIR-655 + DGS-1008D slate's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30502 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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swayzak wrote: > Win 10 FreeFileSync http://www.freefilesync.org/ can copy any missing files from one folder to another, and vice versa, so you would finish up with both folders containing the same files. Or you could just press the "Compare" button and sift through the list manually. +---+ |Filename: FFS.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21060| +---+ kidstypike LMS on Raspberry Pi 3/max2play/HiFiBerry DAC+ > AVI DM5 1 x SB3 - 1 x Boom - 1 x (Squeezebox) Radio - 2 x Touch - 2 x Raspberry Pi/max2play/HiFiBerry kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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DJanGo wrote: > Depends on your os your folderstructure and your skills. > > If you rename/move files in one disk - you could expect doublette > files. > > So whats your os? Win 10 Touch x 2, Booms x 2, SqueezeCommander on Galaxy S3 (Duet Receiver + Controllers x 2 - semi-retired) swayzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16575 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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swayzak wrote: > Is there an easy way to cross reference these collections, to ensure the > maximum number of folders/files are restored to the new drive (hopefully > without any missing) ? e.g. to find which files (if any) are absent from > either drive that are present on the other... Depends on your os your folderstructure and your skills. DJanGo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1516 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Cross referencing 2 large music collections ?
Hello My main music collection died last night (on a WD USB hard drive - one drop too many !). I have a double back up of this (another USB HD & an external, AC-powered HD), but this has been done manually over the years so am uncertain as to how accurate the backups are. Is there an easy way to cross reference these collections, to ensure the maximum number of folders/files are restored to the new drive (hopefully without any missing) ? e.g. to find which files (if any) are absent from either drive that are present on the other... Touch x 2, Booms x 2, SqueezeCommander on Galaxy S3 (Duet Receiver + Controllers x 2 - semi-retired) swayzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16575 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106109 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
