Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
mherger wrote: > > I wonder if the deezer plugin already makes use of the flow > api[color=blue] > > > Ok, interesting. But it wouldn't be totally off, like you would get > somebody else's mix? It still is not totally unexpected music? > > Hi, No, it is still music that belongs to my history and fits into my flow. I just wonder why the plugin is so repetitive while for example the API explorer on the deezer developers page provides a different track list with each request. Best Thomas th80's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22097 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105753 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
I wonder if the deezer plugin already makes use of the flow api (http://developers.deezer.com/api/user/flow). Yes, it does. Because I heavily use flow in the morning and on weekends. But I recognize often the same order of songs. Even when pausing a song and restart flow, I get the same song B after song A like on the day before. It looks like squeezeNetwork caches the songs over days (as an enduser I just have this feeling). It shouldn't. I checked again, and the flow call is one of the few (mostly user related) calls which are supposed not to be cached on the server. For me the experience with deezer flow of the plugin is much worse than through the app and the simulations via api explorer. Ok, interesting. But it wouldn't be totally off, like you would get somebody else's mix? It still is not totally unexpected music? -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
Hi mherger. I wonder if the deezer plugin already makes use of the flow api (http://developers.deezer.com/api/user/flow). Because I heavily use flow in the morning and on weekends. But I recognize often the same order of songs. Even when pausing a song and restart flow, I get the same song B after song A like on the day before. It looks like squeezeNetwork caches the songs over days (as an enduser I just have this feeling). I believe that also because the mobile app and the api explorer does not behave like that. They are not that repetitive. For me the experience with deezer flow of the plugin is much worse than through the app and the simulations via api explorer. Could you please investigate a bit? Many thanks :-) Thomas th80's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22097 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105753 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
mherger wrote: > > My question is completely off-topic, but how did you create the cover > > grid views of played songs? Is it a separate plugin? > > It's from the What Was That Tune (Was lief da eben in German)? plugin. > > -- > > Michael Thanks for your quick answer! Thomas th80's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22097 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105753 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
My question is completely off-topic, but how did you create the cover grid views of played songs? Is it a separate plugin? It's from the What Was That Tune (Was lief da eben in German)? plugin. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
mherger wrote: > After a long time of not using Deezer, I'm currently playing with it > again. I created a few "Smart Mixes". I pretty soon felt like this > wasn't smart at all. Lots of repetition etc. What is your experience? > > 20623 > > That's the results of the past few hours playing a "Peter Gabriel" mix. > Yes, PG is hardly present on the streaming services. But that's really > very, very repetitive, not only PG's tracks. Hi, My question is completely off-topic, but how did you create the cover grid views of played songs? Is it a separate plugin? Thanks, Thomas th80's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22097 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105753 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
justwords wrote: > Shouldn't this work with any local Lms server? Or is this special for > Rasperry Pi? Yes you could but the Pi is a cheap combined player/LMS which is the point if your requirement is just to add kids Spotify players. *Vortexbox LMS 7.9 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 -> Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B&W P7 *Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105753 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
d6jg wrote: > Someone mentioned that it is possible to have multiple streams with > Deezer free account. Is that correct? > > Incidentally the changes to Spotify family mentioned elsewhere have > caused me to experiment with this for kids use. Here is my solution not > using the cloned Triode app route. > > Using a pi based player with piCorePlayer 2.0x add LMS but with no > library. Log it onto your normal account with MSB.com. Install the > Spotify Protocol Handler but with one of the additional family accounts. > Ensure squeezelite on the Pi uses 127.0.0.1 as its server i.e. It won't > then switch to your main LMS. > > This gives the user access to their own Spotify stream and access to the > main LMS library via the Remote Music Library function. > > Solution works nicely but only with something that can run its own LMS. Shouldn't this work with any local Lms server? Or is this special for Rasperry Pi? Logitech Media Server Version: 7.8.0 - 1362754234 on Western Digital MyBook Live NAS 3TB, 3 x Squeezebox Radio, 3 x Squeezebox Duet, iPeng (iOS), Squeeze Play (Android), SqueezeRemote (Windows Phone, Windows 8) justwords's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52020 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105753 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
How do you get to work the Flow feature? I'm using the official Deezer plugin in LMS, but it only offers the list of Smart Radios. Deezer Flow works with Ickstream, but it's limited to ~20 titles. Isn't Flow a Premium only feature? -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
mherger wrote: > >> It is available using ickstream, don't know how they do it... > >> > > That's strange. Flow doesn't work for me using ickstream. But it does > > work using mysqueezebox.com - except for skipping a track. > > Haha... I wanted to look into the Deezer Flow feature. Just to figure > out I already added it back in December?!? Wow, my memory... > Hi, How do you get to work the Flow feature? I'm using the official Deezer plugin in LMS, but it only offers the list of Smart Radios. Deezer Flow works with Ickstream, but it's limited to ~20 titles. Nibb31's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64785 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105753 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
quadronado wrote: > btw: Is there a way to skip a track in the Deezer Smart Radio. It always > says: "Deezer Error, Skip limit exceeded, you may skip again later." > :confused: I've found a very simple workaround that works for me. Just press play button instead of "fwd" during playing Deezer Smart Radio and it skips the track. Another way - "pause" button , and then press "fwd" button. It works for Deezer Flow as well. chernysh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105753 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
Someone mentioned that it is possible to have multiple streams with Deezer free account. Is that correct? Incidentally the changes to Spotify family mentioned elsewhere have caused me to experiment with this for kids use. Here is my solution not using the cloned Triode app route. Using a pi based player with piCorePlayer 2.0x add LMS but with no library. Log it onto your normal account with MSB.com. Install the Spotify Protocol Handler but with one of the additional family accounts. Ensure squeezelite on the Pi uses 127.0.0.1 as its server i.e. It won't then switch to your main LMS. This gives the user access to their own Spotify stream and access to the main LMS library via the Remote Music Library function. Solution works nicely but only with something that can run its own LMS. *Vortexbox LMS 7.8 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 -> Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B&W P7 *Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105753 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
It is available using ickstream, don't know how they do it... That's strange. Flow doesn't work for me using ickstream. But it does work using mysqueezebox.com - except for skipping a track. Haha... I wanted to look into the Deezer Flow feature. Just to figure out I already added it back in December?!? Wow, my memory... -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
But automatically generated playlist I have with both services. The repetory seems to be nearly the same as well (I was able to migrate all of my favorite albums from Spotify to Deezer). The only differences are that I can use Deezer on different Squeezeboxen at the same time and I can use Deezer on old and DIY Squeezeboxen. For me that makes 2 to 0 for Deezer. quadronado's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=60946 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105753 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
So that's no advantage over Spotify anymore. What about listening to two different streams at the same time. I can do that with Deezer, but can I do this with Spotify? Yes, that's problematic. It does work with SB Radio & Touch, but nothing else IIRC. Are there any advantages Spotify has over Deezer that could it make worth trying it again for me? I think a lot of it boils down to taste and personal preference. Eg. the automatically generated (or manually curated) playlists might be interesting to some but totally irrelevant to others. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
mherger wrote: > > That's true: Spotify only added it to their API a few months ago. > So that's no advantage over Spotify anymore. What about listening to two different streams at the same time. I can do that with Deezer, but can I do this with Spotify? Are there any advantages Spotify has over Deezer that could it make worth trying it again for me? quadronado's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=60946 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105753 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
Is Deezer Elite(Lossless FLAC) only available through Sonos ?? I think officially yes, Deezer Elite is still Sonos only. I've brought up the question with my Deezer contacts again, but haven't got an answer yet. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
I don't remember exactly why I switched from Spotify to Deezer about a year ago. It had something to do with the flow feature or the smart radio that was missing in Spotify. Or maybe the Squeezeboxen didn't support this Spotify feature at this time. That's true: Spotify only added it to their API a few months ago. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
Is Deezer Elite(Lossless FLAC) only available through Sonos ?? How is the lossless catalog if anyone knows ?? Callesoroe Living room: Transporter, Tact RCS 2.2X digital preamp, Martin Logan Vista speakers, AMPS(Icepower): Acoustic Reality Ear Enigma PLUS(PANELS), Acoustic Reality Ear TWO MKII(Bas) Kitchen: Receiver - S.M.S.L DAC, Prodipe Pro 5 active bi-amp speakers. Bedroom: Receiver+UE boombox, Kids: Receiver+Active speakers, Office: Transporter, JBL LSR305 active speakers , TIDAL HIFI flac streaming. http://www.last.fm/user/callesoroe callesoroe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22693 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105753 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
mherger wrote: > Would be a shame if Spotify didn't have this kind of feature. After all > they bought the.echonest.com! I don't remember exactly why I switched from Spotify to Deezer about a year ago. It had something to do with the flow feature or the smart radio that was missing in Spotify. Or maybe the Squeezeboxen didn't support this Spotify feature at this time. mherger wrote: > > though I would have preferred a little less of his 70s progrock > influence > That's exactly what I've missed in the Deezer mix. It's too much 80s Pop. I've never been much interested in Peter Gabriel since he left Genesis a couple of years ago. Anyway, thank you for trying Gabriel smart radio with spotify. quadronado's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=60946 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105753 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
The mix looks good (though I would have preferred a little less of his 70s progrock influence :-)) I totally missed that first track they added... an interview?!? -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
quadronado wrote: > It would be interessting if someone with a Spotify account could upload > a screenshot of the Spotify Peter Garbriel smart radio playlist. I've > heard they have that smart radio thing, too. Would be a shame if Spotify didn't have this kind of feature. After all they bought the.echonest.com! The mix looks good (though I would have preferred a little less of his 70s progrock influence :-)) 20642 Spotify didn't miss to add the Vanilla Sky soundtrack, too :-) +---+ |Filename: Bildschirmfoto 2016-06-19 um 16.10.16.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=20642| +---+ Michael http://www.herger.net/slim-plugins - MusicArtistInfo, MusicInfoSCR, Smart Mix mherger's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=50 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105753 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
verypsb wrote: > It is available using ickstream, don't know how they do it... > That's strange. Flow doesn't work for me using ickstream. But it does work using mysqueezebox.com - except for skipping a track. Through ickstream a can see the flow playlist, but I can only play single tracks, not the whole playlist. Maybe you can tell me the trick. quadronado's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=60946 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105753 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
It would be interessting if someone with a Spotify account could upload a screenshot of the Spotify Peter Garbriel smart radio playlist. I've heard they have that smart radio thing, too. quadronado's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=60946 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105753 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
mherger wrote: > I wonder whether the radio API we're using simply has been neglected for > > the past years, since they now have the "Flow" feature - which is not > available through their API... It is available using ickstream, don't know how they do it... Best regards, Dennis. ::Please vote::: '::bug 1330:: New music should work on creation date' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1330) '::bug 17963:: New and changed doesn't handle changed files ' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17963) '::bug 17799:: Use a separator such as 'Also appears on' when viewing the albums by an artist' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17799) '::bug 18054:: Add support for 'Set Subtitle'/'Disc Subtitle' (ID3v2.4 TSST/ID3V2.3 TIT3)' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18054) 1x Boom, 1x Classic, 4x Controller, 1x Radio, 4x Receiver, 2x Touch verypsb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105753 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
A few hours later... 20635 No repetition at least. Hmm thans for the testing. My account indeed has expired. So I'm no longer a premium user. But it's my understanding that the Smart Radio would be the one useful feature to users of the free account. I'll check with my Deezer contacts. Thanks again! -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
OK you've convinced me to give it another try. johnas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31930 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105753 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
A few hours later... 20635 No repetition at least. +---+ |Filename: Deezer_Gabriel_Radio2.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=20635| +---+ quadronado's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=60946 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105753 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
I tried Deezer's Peter Gabriel Smart Radio again and it really looks fine (except that Peter Gabriel's tracks are missing, but, as you said, PG is hardly present at streaming). Don't know what went wrong with you're Smart Mix, but your experience is definitely not the standard with Deezer. 20634 +---+ |Filename: Deezer_Gabriel_Radio.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=20634| +---+ quadronado's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=60946 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105753 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
I thought it might be a problem with Peter Gabriel. I tried the Gabriel Smart Radio and heard no track twice so far 20631 +---+ |Filename: gabriel_smart_radio.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=20631| +---+ quadronado's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=60946 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105753 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
I tried the Deezer Smart Radio for the last three hours and had not a single repition. Do you really have a full Deezer acount or is this a the free version? 20630 +---+ |Filename: Deezer_Smart_Radio_.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=20630| +---+ quadronado's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=60946 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105753 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
Looks really bad. I hardly ever use the Smart Radio, but i'll will try it and see if it's really that useless. btw: Is there a way to skip a track in the Deezer Smart Radio. It always says: "Deezer Error, Skip limit exceeded, you may skip again later." :confused: I wonder whether the radio API we're using simply has been neglected for the past years, since they now have the "Flow" feature - which is not available through their API... -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
Looks really bad. I hardly ever use the Smart Radio, but i'll will try it and see if it's really that useless. btw: Is there a way to skip a track in the Deezer Smart Radio. It always says: "Deezer Error, Skip limit exceeded, you may skip again later." :confused: quadronado's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=60946 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105753 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
I have about the same experience as you. Pretty much useless imo. Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Tapatalk johnas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31930 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105753 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Deezer Smart Radio - what's your experience?
After a long time of not using Deezer, I'm currently playing with it again. I created a few "Smart Mixes". I pretty soon felt like this wasn't smart at all. Lots of repetition etc. What is your experience? 20623 That's the results of the past few hours playing a "Peter Gabriel" mix. Yes, PG is hardly present on the streaming services. But that's really very, very repetitive, not only PG's tracks. +---+ |Filename: Bildschirmfoto 2016-06-15 um 23.25.07.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=20623| +---+ Michael http://www.herger.net/slim-plugins - MusicArtistInfo, MusicInfoSCR, Smart Mix mherger's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=50 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105753 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
