Re: [slim] QTFaireUse - cease and desist
in 12-24 months, i dont think anyone will be using DRM anyway (apart from subscription services like Napster). -- autopilot SLIMSERVER:[/B] 7.0 APLHA (WINDOWS XP) + ALIENBBC, SLIMSCROBBLER LAST.FM. *AMP:* CAMBRIDGE AUDIO 640A (LIVING ROOM) / DENON MD30 (BEDROOM). *SPEAKERS:* MISSION 701'S (LIVING ROOM) / KEF CRESTA 1'S (BEDROOM). *REMOTE:* T-MOBILE MDA VARIO / HARMONY 525 (IR) / *BETA TESTING SB DUET X 2 [B]Clients:* 1 Squeezebox 3 + Softsqueeze + Squeezebox Receiver. 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/domrevans/) autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43829 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] QTFaireUse - cease and desist
Pale Blue Ego;272566 Wrote: If nobody ever bought DRM'ed music, this would not be an issue. Exactly! I'm minded to think that Apple has a point though: if you buy stuff from iTunes, then you're entering into an agreement which involves DRM-crippled downloads. If people agree to the iTunes Terms Conditions (which every user must do, even if they don't read the Ts Cs) then they shouldn't complain if Apple tries to force the users to obey those Ts Cs. Itlan;272649 Wrote: Im still amazed, pay Amazon $10 and get a DRM free higher bitrate sample or Apple $10 and get DRM'd lower bit rate. Just dont get how iTunes has legs. I love iTunes Plus but buying DRM w/o hymn anymore is crazy! I think one of the main reasons is laziness. Many folks can't be bothered doing through the buy CD/rip/tag process, so will settle for lower quality lossy tunes. Ironically, they'll happily perform the 'remove-DRM' task if possible, which is weird... Another reason iTunes will win is because of tie-in. Buy and iPod? Use iTunes. Buy Apple TV? Use iTunes. Buy any Mac? Get iTunes -- mflint 'LiveDepartures plugin' (http://insignificant.org/wiki/index.php/LiveDepartures) - 'GoalRush plugin' (http://insignificant.org/wiki/index.php/GoalRush) - 'Occasional blog' (http://insignificant.org/) mflint's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2102 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43829 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] QTFaireUse - cease and desist
mflint;272675 Wrote: I think one of the main reasons is laziness. Many folks can't be bothered doing through the buy CD/rip/tag process, so will settle for lower quality lossy tunes. Personally I don't see it as a laziness issue. If given the option of driving to a cd store, finding parking, standing in line to buy the cd, driving back home, ripping it into my computer and then incorporating it into my music library OR turning on my laptop, doing one level of search on amazon mp3 download for the album i want and then clicking the download button and then just moving that folder of music files into my library, I will opt for the much simpler option. -- exile exile's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4579 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43829 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] QTFaireUse - cease and desist
It's truly a sad day, as Apple has just sent the Hym forums a CD warning a few days ago forcing them to remove QTFaireUse and all files associated with it. Read the announcement here: http://hymn-project.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=17241#17241 I will now no longer use the iTMS to purchase music as any DRM infected files cannot be played on my Squeezeboxes. It's a shame too - using QTFaireUse did nothing that couldn't be accomplished legally by burning to CD and then ripping back to your computer. It just made the whole process a lot simpler, plus watermarked the file with your email addy that you used to purchase the original file from iTMS anyway. In other words, they were losing NOTHING. A travesty... DRM is evil and accomplishes nothing but irritating the very consumer that pays for their music. -- EnochLight EnochLight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3392 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43829 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] QTFaireUse - cease and desist
Quoting EnochLight ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): It's truly a sad day, as Apple has just sent the Hym forums a CD warning a few days ago forcing them to remove QTFaireUse and all files associated with it. Read the announcement here: http://hymn-project.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=17241#17241 I will now no longer use the iTMS to purchase music as any DRM infected files cannot be played on my Squeezeboxes. It's a shame too - using QTFaireUse did nothing that couldn't be accomplished legally by burning to CD and then ripping back to your computer. It just made the whole process a lot simpler, plus watermarked the file with your email addy that you used to purchase the original file from iTMS anyway. In other words, they were losing NOTHING. DVDJon (Jon Lech Johansen) has another solution that accomplishes the same thing by another means - he's just launched DoubleTwist: http://www.doubletwist.com IIRC it was Jon that wrote the original Hymn project code dd ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] QTFaireUse - cease and desist
Good info dd; thanks! One good quality about QTFaireUse that will be sorely missed was that it intercepted the audio prior to reaching your soundcard and re-encoded it bit-for-bit back into a duplicate .m4a file without any re-compression (minus the DRM). DoubleTwist actually re-encodes the .m4p into an .mp3 - lossy re-compressing it (and compromising the already compromised sound quality). That said, beggars can't be choosers and DoubeTwist at least saves one the lengthy steps of burning a purchased iTMS song onto a CD and then re-ripping it into another file one-by-one. *sigh* -- EnochLight EnochLight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3392 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43829 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] QTFaireUse - cease and desist
Do people really go to the trouble of burning a CD, just to re-rip it? If you had to do that and actually like terrible sound quality, could you not at least use a virtual CD program? -- autopilot SLIMSERVER:[/B] 7.0 APLHA (WINDOWS XP) + ALIENBBC, SLIMSCROBBLER LAST.FM. *AMP:* CAMBRIDGE AUDIO 640A (LIVING ROOM) / DENON MD30 (BEDROOM). *SPEAKERS:* MISSION 701'S (LIVING ROOM) / KEF CRESTA 1'S (BEDROOM). *REMOTE:* T-MOBILE MDA VARIO / HARMONY 525 (IR) / *BETA TESTING SB DUET X 2 [B]Clients:* 1 Squeezebox 3 + Softsqueeze + Squeezebox Receiver. 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/domrevans/) autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43829 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] QTFaireUse - cease and desist
Amazon MP3 store, who needs iTunes? :) -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43829 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] QTFaireUse - cease and desist
If nobody ever bought DRM'ed music, this would not be an issue. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43829 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] QTFaireUse - cease and desist
a) www.muvaudio.com b) www.doubletwist.com / just noticed the previous post, sorry for repeating -- gbruzzo gbruzzo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3633 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43829 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] QTFaireUse - cease and desist
andyg;272553 Wrote: Amazon MP3 store, who needs iTunes? :) True - although it's clunky compared to iTunes (I do have an iPod that I sync any purchased music with), it's a far better choice than buying DRM-infected files from the iTMS. I'm leaning towards Amazon at this point, with DoubelTwist as a last resort. -- EnochLight EnochLight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3392 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43829 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] QTFaireUse - cease and desist
TuneBite also removes the DRM from iTunes. Seems like a better solution because a.) it's local to your box, doubletwist you upload to their servers I think. b.) It has a a virtual sound driver to rip the DRM out of. So while not as good as what hymn did by taking it out of memory its not nearly as bad as analog removal. Some techweenies did some high end comparison of ripped files versus the original and they were damn near identical. You can searhc on their forums and find it under reviews or something. Im still amazed, pay Amazon $10 and get a DRM free higher bitrate sample or Apple $10 and get DRM'd lower bit rate. Just dont get how iTunes has legs. I love iTunes Plus but buying DRM w/o hymn anymore is crazy! -- Itlan Itlan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14732 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43829 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] QTFaireUse - cease and desist
Itlan;272649 Wrote: Some techweenies did some high end comparison of ripped files versus the original and they were damn near identical. You can searhc on their forums and find it under reviews or something. I'd believe it is actually quite close, but I expect it is technically feasible to recompress the PCM back into an AAC stream that is _identical_ to the original. Probably this could be done by first doing a regular PCM-AAC compression, and then repeatedly decode that AAC file, each time identifying differences and tuning the compressed data until the decompressed output exactly matches the master PCM version. In other words, you're doing a kind of search, and you'll know you've found the right input stream when it generates the same output. This may sound like it would be too CPU intensive for practical purposes, but actually I think it's quite feasible and could be done in only a few passes. However, to be efficient it require that the algorithm know a bit about AAC, and have some ability to figure out which way to tweak the stream by comparing the input to the output. So it's a significant engineering challenge, requiring intimate knowledge of AAC. Also this would be done one frame at a time - that's a fairly short signal, and therefore a small search space, so it seems to me that this should be tractable. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43829 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
