Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
bpa wrote: > > > If there are still a few problem perhaps you could try enabling PC > proxying of the stream using the Settings/Player/Audio/MP3 streaming > option - the name is misleading as this setting also applies to WMA > streams. > > These settings can be changed without system restart so it is easy to > run a few tests one after another. Was experiencing 12 secs buffering listening to Internet Radio stations with streams above 128 kbps (192 & 320) on my Transporter. Tried increasing Advanced/Network/Radio station buffer secs = 10, no change. However, tried Player/Transporter/Audio/Streaming mentod = *Proxied* streaming (previously *Direct* streaming). Stations now play with no buffering, thanks *Source* LMS 7.9.2 on Windows 2016 Server VM. Wired server with wireless players *Bedroom* Transporter > Densen DM10 amp > PSB Stratus Bronze speakers *Kitchen* Touch + Teddy Pardo TTouch PSU + Touch Toolbox 3.0 mods (SBGK) > Arcam rDac > Rotel RA02 amp > PMC DB1i speakers *Office* SqueezePlay > USB > Nuforce Icon 2 amp + DAC > Epos ELS3 monitors (or Grado SR125) *Remote* Univeral Philips Pronto SU890 x2 *Retired* Duet receiver + Duet controller Roose's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37159 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
majones;594429 Wrote: > My Squeezebox Radios, that have in-built AAC processing (and hence don't > use SBS to convert AAC), have similar symptoms, worse actually because > from time to time the radios will freeze and reboot. I have switched > everything over to WMA and certainly the interruptions, rebuffering and > reboots are much less common. It's to early to say whether the symptoms > are fully resolved. > > Is there something possibly within the BBC's Flash/AAC set-up that is > incompatible with the SBS and Radio processing capabilities? I read > somewhere that the BBC introduced SWF Verification for its RTMP streams > in February, whose purpose is to interrupt non-compliant streams. Any > thoughts on this? Answering related to use of BBCiPlayer/BBCRadio plugins: 1) If you do get rebuffering with aac/flash streams then you should try moving to wma. The reason for this is that with aac/flash the player/server only maintains a very short buffer and so will rebuffer with relatively short breaks in internet connectivity or congestion at the radio station end. With wma, if the buffer threshold is set for longer then you should get a much deeper buffer which can absorb more network variability. 2) There was a bug in my rtmp code which could cause reboots especially on radio - I think this should be fixed in the latest radio firmware. If you see reboots please change to wma. Please note that the plugins and rtmp implemention are a 3rd party additions which I try to maintain to provide the best BBC capability on squeeze devices. The rtmp case uses an implementation which was written from scratch using the adobe spec rather than the closed flash implementation available as a browser plugin means there will be differences. This is especially true related to undocumented features such as buffer management. In most cases I think people find the rtmp stream works well, but if you experience problems please try the wma ones. Answering your last point - no there is no rtmp verification on the audio streams. The plugins are able to receive all bbc radio streams at present. -- Triode Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
bpa;585880 Wrote: > From the first post you can see the problem is associated with a local > SBS server and BBC specific plugin - not mysb.com or generic streaming. > The title is set by the OP. > > > I offered the advice of a new thread because you will get other forum > readers interested in your problem as they already know this thread > deals with BBC and iPlayer plugin and will not associate it with a user > having mysb.com problems. I insist once again. I often have to deal with software developers convinced that they actually identified the reason for a problem, and often have to spend far too much time to make them realize they were wrong. The original poster problem may be due to BBC plugin, but nothing written in this thread definitly proves that this is actually the main reason for the rebuffering problem. -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
I had given up with this thread, but since you raise it again, I take some time to give my thoughts about this problem. I find astonishing than somebody can say that a thread which title is "Radio streaming stops intermittently" is only about BBC iplayer plugin. Even if in this specific case, it might be so. Anyway as someone who is in the software business, I do consider than the original problem raised in this thread can be related to BBC, but I also do consider that it actually may be due to something else. Squeezeboxes products are prone to rebuffering problems, no matter if that is due to hardware, mysqueezebox.com, firmware, internal plugins, external plugins, or whatever else, I don't know. You will find a lot of posts complaining about that, and there is always a good reason to blame something else than squeezeboxes. I was adviced to open a new thread about that, I am sorry, I gave up. I have the feeling that if I say that I am using a wired connection with a Belkin brand cable, some smart guy will come and say that my rebuffering problem thread is specific to "Rebuffering problem specifically related to Belkin brand cables wired squeezeboxes " ... Let's face it, squeezeboxes DO HAVE rebuffering problems. I can compare with other software/systems used to listen to internet radios. Rebuffering problems are more frequent, and more annoying with squeezeboxes. When rebuffering also occurs in others systems, the rebuffering time is much longer (actually inacceptably longer in my opinion) with squeezebox than with others systems. I am in the businness of developping commercial softwares for end users. Squeezebox Touch is not a free product, it can be considered as somewhat expensive for a lot of people. This kind of problem should definitly not be treated in this "geek" way. A paying customer doesn't want to know why it doesn't work. He wants a product that actually work fine, period. I have owned squeezeboxes for several years now. I am in the computers and software business. I switched from SB3 to Touch to use TinySBS. I gave up because TinySBS is definitly not working the way it should, and I came to the conclusion it cannot handle a large library of flac files. I could make it work fine, and wait from time to time, when unexpected rescanning occurs. I won't because I didn't bought this Touch to debug it, or wait 10 minutes when I would like to listen to music. So I use the Touch the way I used my SB3, plus the Touch screen which is nice, plus the better built in dac, and I am fine with that. TinySBS is not mature, I don't want to lose my time with it, and I am satisfied with the Touch without TinySBS. But rebuffering problems are getting worse, it is not serious to deny it. It can work fine for some time (it has actually been working fine for me last weeks). But I regularly have problems, like many other people, and when I have rebuffering problems, it is either - only with squeezebox - or much worse with squeezebox than with others software/systems. -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
bpa;585880 Wrote: > You can see the problem is associated with a local SBS server and BBC > specific plugin - not mysb.com. My Squeezebox Radios, that have in-built AAC processing (and hence don't use SBS to convert AAC), have similar symptoms, worse actually because from time to time the radios will freeze and reboot. I have switched everything over to WMA and certainly the interruptions, rebuffering and reboots are much less common. It's to early to say whether the symptoms are fully resolved. Is there something possibly within the BBC's Flash/AAC set-up that is incompatible with the SBS and Radio processing capabilities? I read somewhere that the BBC introduced SWF Verification for its RTMP streams in February, whose purpose is to interrupt non-compliant streams. Any thoughts on this? -- majones majones's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
nicolas75;585869 Wrote: > > I have no problem starting another thread, but, being professionaly > involved in software development, I can hardly imagine those problem > being related to one specific broadcasting streaming >From the first post you can see the problem is associated with a local SBS server and BBC specific plugin - not mysb.com or generic streaming. The title is set by the OP. > > When I play BBC Radio 1 / Radio 2, it is prone to stopping. I am using > the *BBC iPlayer plugin* and I am in the UK. > I offered the advice of a new thread because you will get other forum readers interested in your problem as they already know this thread deal with BBC and iPlayer plugin and will not associated with wth a user having mysb.com problems. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
bpa;585853 Wrote: > This thread was exclusively dealing with problems with BBC streams and > the associated plugins/applets. > > I think you should start your own thread as you have a different > problem. > > As a general point, when using mysb.com radio station stream directly > from station to player so the problem is either network related or > Touch related - the servers are not involved. You should contact > support there may be some player incompatibilities with the french > stations you are playing or perhaps because stream initial contact is > from Germany (i.e. outside France) where the mysb.com servers are > located. Well the title of the thread is "Radio streaming stops intermittently" Which is exactly my problem. I suggest the title should be changed, if it only deals with BBC ... I have no problem starting another thread, but, being professionaly involved in software development, I can hardly imagine those problem being related to one specific broadcasting streaming, but much more related to squeezebox devices (in a general way, not only with specific streams) In my opinion, it would be more useful to have one specific thread about that, than one thread per radio streaming having problem. Especially if the problem doesn't come from the radio stream, but from the squeezeboxes devices ... -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
nicolas75;585843 Wrote: > It is not BBC streams, I am listening to french radios. This thread was exclusively dealing with problems with BBC streams and the associated plugins/applets. I think you should start your own thread as you have a different problem. As a general point, when using mysb.com radio station stream directly from station to player so the problem is either network related or Touch related - the servers are not involved. You should contact support there may be some player incompatibilities with the french stations you are playing or perhaps because stream initial contact is from Germany (i.e. outside France) where the mysb.com servers are located. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
bpa;585768 Wrote: > Which BBC streams are causing problems ? It is not BBC streams, I am listening to french radios. People have problems in HongKong see http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82862 Honestly I don't understand how people can blame radios streams or internet connections. Everything works fine listening with a PC and any audio software. It is only with Squeezebox that we have random rebuffering (and regularly some strange "pops" in the sound as far as I am concerned). I don't know if there is a problem with mysqueezebox.com, or if the Squeezebox trying to contact some remote IP address interfere with the stream or the playing, or whatever else. But the problem is quite certainly with Squeezebox software or servers -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
nicolas75;585758 Wrote: > I have now several rebuffering per hour when I'm listening to radio > streams Which BBC streams are causing problems ? -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
Hello I have now several rebuffering per hour when I'm listening to radio streams. This started a few weeks ago. I had almost no problem for several years before ... I have a wired SB Touch, connected to my router and a FTTH internet connection ( 100 Mbps download and 50 Mbps upload). I am in Paris, France. This really recently got worse and worse. Is it related to mysqueezebox.com ? -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
spindoctor;585219 Wrote: > > I've looked at the iplayer settings: (home/server settings/BBC > iplayer/Prefer WMA streams) and this is unchecked, suggesting that this > is AAC. Should I change this to WMA? > > From a network point of view, these are the wireless signal strength: > Bedroom: 36% > Lounge: 28% > Boom (kitchen): 81% > Using AAC is good because PC acts as a proxy which can help with network related problem whereas a WMA stream will go direct from station to player. AAC cannot be played natively on Classic or Boom so it is transcoded by SBS into Flac. Flac would typically need at least 700kbps which I think is unlikely with signal strength you indicated. I think this is your problem since you have no problem with MP3 which probably have lower bit rates. A 10 mins network test would help confirm your throughput - can you not disable the screen saver while you do the test. Assuming you cannot improve the wireless strength, I suggest you select WMA as preferred format in BBCiPlayer plugin. If there are still a few problem perhaps you could try enabling PC proxying of the stream using the Settings/Player/Audio/MP3 streaming option - the name is misleading as this setting also applies to WMA streams. These settings can be changed without system restart so it is easy to run a few tests one after another. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
bpa;584486 Wrote: > Sounds like you turned on Repeat Current Song. The "Repeat" button is a > 3 way option - Off, repeat current song, repeat playlist. Such as basic error on my part - I can't believe I missed this Thank you! -- spindoctor spindoctor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9855 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
bpa;584480 Wrote: > System info and more details always help - for example are you playing > AAC or WMA BBC streams ? AAC need transcoding by PC but WMA are played > natively by player. > > Why have not done the network test on the bedroom player - it is a no > brainer - just run the test from the SB3 menu > Settings/Information/Network Test. This will help isolate the problem > to either network or server. Thank you for persevering System info is in the first post, but please advise if there's something specific I haven't mentioned. I've looked at the iplayer settings: (home/server settings/BBC iplayer/Prefer WMA streams) and this is unchecked, suggesting that this is AAC. Should I change this to WMA? >From a network point of view, these are the wireless signal strength: Bedroom: 36% Lounge: 28% Boom (kitchen): 81% The wireless router is above the Boom, so I'd expect a high reading there. Bedroom is across from the router and the Lounge is downstairs and diagonally furthest away from the router. For the network tests I did the following: Run both Boom and Lounge at 1mbps (1000kbps) both running: 100% ave: 99% for over 30 mins _at the same time_ I did this purely because I can stand in one place and control both boxes and see both displays. The Bedroom player... now that's something different... I can run the tests at any bit rate, but every time, after exactly 30 seconds, the display switches to Weather Underground (my power off screensaver) However it does not appear to turn off... because when I press right arrow or down arrow, it brings the network test back up. This differs to when the SB is actually powered down, as when you press right, it goes through visibility and precipitation and down arrow advances through the next few days. So - I can't really do a network test on the Bedroom player for more than 30 secs. At 500kbps it's 100%/100%, at 1000mbps it's 100%/99% at 1500kbps it's 100%/99%-ish OK, so then I took the bedroom player downstairs to the same position as the Lounge player. Still appears to turn off after 30 secs, but the network test is pretty bad, even though I've expect it to be comparable to the Lounge player. It pretty much gets up to 320 / 500kbps before it starts to drop packets. After I bring it back upstairs, it's back to the same readings as it was before I tried it downstairs. Do I have a faulty Bedroom unit? Are the wireless signal and network tests within expected tolerances? Is there anyway I can factory reset the Bedroom player? Is this the right course of action? I thank you again for your time with this. Regards, Phil -- spindoctor spindoctor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9855 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
spindoctor;584477 Wrote: > The other issue I have currently - is that with locally held files > (MP3s) no matter how I choose to play them; (I normally put everything > on random) > even if I play by genre, artist, album, etc etc... the first track on > the playlist repeats, even though on the web console, there are > different tracks listed. > > This all started when I modified genres to be included in the random > feature. I've since changed it back and the issue still appears. > Sounds like you turned on Repeat Current Song. The "Repeat" button is a 3 way option - Off, repeat current song, repeat playlist. Hover mouse over Repeat icon on Web UI to get hint on current setting. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
spindoctor;584442 Wrote: > It _seems_ to be with one controller (n.b. they are all wireless) Wireless is usually the cause of intermittent problems. Is the PC/server wired to router/broadband modem ? > This is the latest of the two SB3s I have and this is logitec branded as > opposed to the older Slimdevices branded one. Irrelevant - same hardware inside. > I even moved the bedroom to the lounge and vice versa to see if the > signal was to blame, but the issues appears to have stayed with the > bedroom unit. That seems to indicate a wireless problem which is specific to bedroom area - possibly some sort of equipment related interference. > Today I've had issues where the squeezebox service will just stop on the > PC, so then nothing works. > (I have another weird problem, but that's a whole different thread) > Sounds more like 2 more problems. > The annoying thing is that this setup worked perfectly well before and > I'm not aware of anything changing. This is typical of wireless issues. > I do plan to build a new PC from scratch with more memory and host > squeeze server there, but that's a while off at the moment. Unlikely to fix any problem unless you identify the cause of the problems. > And even whilst I'm typing this, the bedroom SB3 is now not playing (but > saying it is playing BBC Radio1) and Boom is also not playing (but > saying it is playing BBC Radio 1) and I can hear the one upstairs > playing perfectly well. System info and more details always help - for example are you playing AAC or WMA BBC streams ? AAC need transcoding by PC but WMA are played natively by player. Why have not done the network test on the bedroom player - it is a no brainer - just run the test from the SB3 menu Settings/Information/Network Test. This will help isolate the problem to either network or server. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
Ok - just becuase I'm here and I may have your 'ear' The other issue I have currently - is that with locally held files (MP3s) no matter how I choose to play them; (I normally put everything on random) even if I play by genre, artist, album, etc etc... the first track on the playlist repeats, even though on the web console, there are different tracks listed. This all started when I modified genres to be included in the random feature. I've since changed it back and the issue still appears. I can't imagine this is linked to my 'connection' issues, but all of this appears to have started at about the same time... I'm thinking that SB server is screwed... what is the best way of removing the server end software, re-installing and making it start from scratch, if indeed that is the best course of action? Many thanks for your continued interest and patience. Phil -- spindoctor spindoctor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9855 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
It _seems_ to be with one controller (n.b. they are all wireless) This is the latest of the two SB3s I have and this is logitec branded as opposed to the older Slimdevices branded one. I even moved the bedroom to the lounge and vice versa to see if the signal was to blame, but the issues appears to have stayed with the bedroom unit. Today I've had issues where the squeezebox service will just stop on the PC, so then nothing works. (I have another weird problem, but that's a whole different thread) The annoying thing is that this setup worked perfectly well before and I'm not aware of anything changing. I do plan to build a new PC from scratch with more memory and host squeeze server there, but that's a while off at the moment. And even whilst I'm typing this, the bedroom SB3 is now not playing (but saying it is playing BBC Radio1) and Boom is also not playing (but saying it is playing BBC Radio 1) and I can hear the one upstairs playing perfectly well. Grrr. -- spindoctor spindoctor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9855 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
You should also consider network problems - such as bursts of interference or faulty network equipment / cables. Run the network test and check what is the max you can get 100% for at least 15 mins since your problem may relate to bursts of interference rather than weak or poor signal strength. For wired connections check network statistics to see if error/retry/timeout counts increase at the same time as you have problem with your players. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
Hi guys I spoke too soon I think after two days of radio streaming and sync-ing appearing to be ok, I now have the same problem back again. This time the fault appears within a few mins (or even a minute) of starting the stream off. It's a real shame, because I've owned and been a few of SBs for many years, but this is really getting on my pip. It does seem to mainly be one SB that displays the issue. I'll take a look at the file types as per one of the first posts. Thanks for all of your help so far. Phil -- spindoctor spindoctor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9855 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
spindoctor;583685 Wrote: > Hmm... that is except for one thing... whilst it doesn't randomly and > intermittently stop now, it does seem to turn off after about 6 hours > continuous use. Not sure if this is new or whether it always did this. > (I can't be sure as I rarely have the SB on for such a long time) You need to get some more info on which end broke the link. Some stations (and ISPs) are setup to stop users having connections running for a very long time. If the break occurred from your end there are a number of possibilities but it would require more investigation and logging. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
Hi bpa I changed the radio buffer to 10 and this completely fixes the problem. Thanks very much for your help. i was ready to ditch the entire system! Brian -- Brian Sowter Brian Sowter's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
bpa;581730 Wrote: > Some firewall "hang" on to packets for longer than they should and > perhaps this is aggravating the rebuffering. > > Have you tried increasing the Radio Station buffer seconds to see if it > makes a difference (WebUI Settings/Advanced/Network ) ? bpa Thanks! I tried changing the radio buffer from the default (3, I think) to 10 and thus far everything seems to work fine. I may revert back to double check, but I've been working from home listening to the radio all day and it all seems ok Hmm... that is except for one thing... whilst it doesn't randomly and intermittently stop now, it does seem to turn off after about 6 hours continuous use. Not sure if this is new or whether it always did this. (I can't be sure as I rarely have the SB on for such a long time) Comments welcome, but I'm very pleased with the fix to the intermittent radio issue. Rgds Phil -- spindoctor spindoctor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9855 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
spindoctor;582142 Wrote: > .. > I was using Last.fm streaming service and the same thing happened as I > originally wrote about with BBC.. Do you only use your SB3's connected to your local SBS server on your computer? If you do switch them over to MySqueezeBox.com then you can't Sync Last.fm streams. Beyond that I'd suspect possible WiFi issues as well. Have you tried the SB3's unSynced and wired, just temporarily for testing? -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
Thanks for your replies I've not tried changing / checking whether it's AAC or WMA just yet. I have some other information for you. I was using Last.fm streaming service and the same thing happened as I originally wrote about with BBC. Two players (1xBoom and 1xSB3, both wireless) were playing downstairs fine, but the one (SB3, wireless) upstairs appeared (by the display) to be playing, but not actually playing anything. I have a small spectrum whilst playing, and there was no movement on the display of spectrum. Only way I can bump it back into life is either to wait until it kicks back into life or turn off and back on again. Many thanks for your help so far. Rgds Phil -- spindoctor spindoctor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9855 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
Some firewall "hang" on to packets for longer than they should and perhaps this is aggravating the rebuffering. Have you tried increasing the Radio Station buffer seconds to see if it makes a difference (WebUI Settings/Advanced/Network ) ? -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
Triode;581695 Wrote: > You could try installing the iplayer plugin (go to the web settings > page, plugins, recommended 3rd party plugins and it should be in the > list) > > This uses the same streams as the desktop iplayer by default and so may > be better just because it is using alternative streams. Hi I have now tried reloading BBC Iplayer and it makes no difference. Even using MySqueezebox.com. I have a PIX 501 hardware firewall between my network and the internet. I am wondering now if this is somehow effecting the packet transport in some way. B. -- Brian Sowter Brian Sowter's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
Brian Sowter;581686 Wrote: > Hi. I am in Winchester UK. I have both wired and wireless players > problem is the same on either. > > URL from Transporter is: URL: > http://opml.radiotime.com/Tune.ashx?id=s25419&formats=aac,mp3,wma,wmpro,wmvoice,wmvideo,ogg&partnerId=16. > Listen Live on PC is: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/bbc_radio_fourfm. > > i dont think I am using an Iplayer plug in How can I tell? > > How can I change streams' Buffer size and Alternative formats etc? > Thanks for your help. B. You could try installing the iplayer plugin (go to the web settings page, plugins, recommended 3rd party plugins and it should be in the list) This uses the same streams as the desktop iplayer by default and so may be better just because it is using alternative streams. -- Triode Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
Brian Sowter;581686 Wrote: > Hi. I am in Winchester UK. I have both wired and wireless players > problem is the same on either. > > URL from Transporter is: URL: > http://opml.radiotime.com/Tune.ashx?id=s25419&formats=aac,mp3,wma,wmpro,wmvoice,wmvideo,ogg&partnerId=16. > Listen Live on PC is: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/bbc_radio_fourfm. > > i dont think I am using an Iplayer plug in How can I tell? > > How can I change streams' Buffer size and Alternative formats etc? > Thanks for your help. B. I just forunf the IPlayer addon and selectsd AAC. It is just the same Rebuffering all the time. B -- Brian Sowter Brian Sowter's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
bpa;581684 Wrote: > Are you in the UK or not ? URLs are different and mismatching can cause > problems. > > The PC Listen Live through iPlayer will be using AAC whereas if you are > using the URL from BBC - they are WMA. > > Which URLs are you using ? > Are you using the iPlayer plugin as this will give you a choice between > AAC and WMA ? > > What sort of players are you using ? > Are they wired or wireless ? Hi. I am in Winchester UK. I have both wired and wireless players problem is the same on either. URL from Transporter is: URL: http://opml.radiotime.com/Tune.ashx?id=s25419&formats=aac,mp3,wma,wmpro,wmvoice,wmvideo,ogg&partnerId=16. Listen Live on PC is: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/bbc_radio_fourfm. i dont think I am using an Iplayer plug in How can I tell? How can I change streams' Buffer size and Alternative formats etc? Thanks for your help. B. -- Brian Sowter Brian Sowter's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
Brian Sowter;581668 Wrote: > I have a feeling there is something about the protocol used by the > players is somehow incompatible with my network or indeed my ISP. Are you in the UK or not ? URLs are different and mismatching can cause problems. The PC Listen Live through iPlayer will be using AAC whereas if you are using the URL from BBC - they are WMA. Which URLs are you using ? Are you using the iPlayer plugin as this will give you a choice between AAC and WMA ? What sort of players are you using ? Are they wired or wireless ? -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
I have 4 logitec player products on a network and I use a ReadyNAS with the latest squeezecenter software. My internet connection is very fast ADSL2+. All internet radio stations on any player are unusable because of re-buffering. BBC World Service is better than Radio 4. I copied the URL used by the players for Radio 4 form my squeezecenter and connected by a browser. This is also unusable. On a computer BBC radio 4 Listen Live is fine. It would seem that the URL's used by the players are all congested but this seems most unlikely as there is no station which is satisfactory even at 4 am in the morning. I have a feeling there is something about the protocol used by the players is somehow incompatible with my network or indeed my ISP. -- Brian Sowter Brian Sowter's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
bpa;581634 Wrote: > The BBC has had streaming problem in recent past - there are some things > you may do to minimise the issue such as using an alternative format or > increasing buffer but you should first characterise the problem. > > As Mnyb suggested - first determine if it is a BBC only problem. Since > you have two different sort of gaps - you may have more than one > problem each with similar symptoms. > > Are the players wired ? When using the plugin and AAC format you are > streaming Flac to all players and if they are synchronised then you may > be having network problems if there is other burst of other wireless > traffic or a burst of interference. > > Does it happen with Live or "Listen Again" or both ? > Are you using the AAC or WMA streams ? Oh it transcodes to FLAC then he must try to stream FLAC files from local server, just rip a CD as flac . FLAC is ca 800kbps . And try wired. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE for the rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
The BBC has had streaming problem in recent past - there are some things you may do to minimise the issue such as using an alternative format or increasing buffer but you should first characterise the problem. As Mnyb suggested - first determine if it is a BBC only problem. Since you have two different sort of gaps - you may have more than one problem each with similar symptoms. Are the players wired ? When using the plugin and AAC format you are streaming Flac to all players and if they are synchronised then you may be having network problems if there is other burst of other wireless traffic or a burst of interference. Does it happen with Live or "Listen Again" or both ? Are you using the AAC or WMA streams ? -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
determine if it's just BBC iPlayer or all streaming ? Listen to some other station like radio paradise or something from staff picks or pick something else that's popular . -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE for the rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Radio streaming stops intermittently
Hi all I'm having problems with internet radio / streaming. My setup is a Windows XP PC running Squeezebox server Version: 7.5.1 The PC is wired directly to the router. I have 2x wireless Squeezebox Classics running firmware version 130 and a wireless Squeezebox Boom running firmware version 50. As far as I can tell... when I'm playing locally hosted MP3s from the PC there is no problem. When I play BBC Radio 1 / Radio 2, it is prone to stopping. I am using the BBC iPlayer plugin and I am in the UK. I did have all three synchronised, but I unsynchronised the one upstairs to see if that was the issue. It still stops intermittently. Sometimes it will stop for 5-10 minutes or more and then randomly burst in to life. Today I was having dropouts for maybe 2-3 seconds every 30 seconds or so. I think I've also had issues when streaming from Last.fm although this seems much more stable. My internet connection is provided by Virgin (cable) at 10mbps. I used to have a ~3mb ADSL connection at my old house and did not have any of the problems I am having now. Can someone please recommend the next course of action? Also... I've just checked the server log and there are hundreds if not thousands of the following entries: [10-10-08 18:49:16.1013] Slim::Networking::IO::Select::__ANON__ (146) Error: Select task failed calling Slim::Web::HTTP::sendStreamingResponse: illegal file descriptor or filehandle (either no attached file descriptor or illegal value): at /Slim/Networking/IO/Select.pm line 149. May not be related but it's clearly not liking something. Many thanks, Phil -- spindoctor spindoctor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9855 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
