[slim] Re: Beginning of Song Gets Cut Off

2006-08-12 Thread alderash

First off, I'm using a Harman Kardon AVR-635.  

I was told on another forum that some receivers, if connected via
digital, will take a small amount of time to figure out what type of
signal they are getting before outputting sound.  I suppose that's why
I don't have that problem with the RCA connection.


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[slim] Re: Beginning of Song Gets Cut Off

2006-08-12 Thread seanadams

alderash Wrote: 
 First off, I'm using a Harman Kardon AVR-635.  
 
 I was told on another forum that some receivers, if connected via
 digital, will take a small amount of time to figure out what type of
 signal they are getting before outputting sound.  I suppose that's why
 I don't have that problem with the RCA connection.

Right, but it shouldn't _lose_ the signal (or mute its outputs, or
whatever its doing) just because the input goes silent.  Squeezebox
does not interrupt the s/pdif signal when changing tracks.

So, do you see any indicators changing on the front panel when this
happens?


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[slim] Re: Beginning of Song Gets Cut Off

2006-08-12 Thread Mark Lanctot

Player Settings - Audio - Audio Startup Time can introduce a delay:

 Audio Startup Time
 
 Some audio receivers and D/A converters need a little extra time to
 start decoding audio from the player when playing back MP3 audio. You
 can specify how much time, in seconds, to wait after pressing play to
 start sending MP3 audio. The default value is 0, a value of 0.25
 seconds works for many receivers.

However I believe it only works when the SB starts up, not between
tracks because the SB isn't stopping.


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[slim] Re: Beginning of Song Gets Cut Off

2006-08-12 Thread Mark Lanctot

Also a few months ago on AVS Forum they were discussing a firmware
update for the AVR-635.

I believe the problem was a long pause switching between DSP modes. 
Not entirely related to your problem but worth looking into.


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[slim] Re: Beginning of Song Gets Cut Off

2006-08-12 Thread seanadams

Mark Lanctot Wrote: 
 Player Settings - Audio - Audio Startup Time can introduce a delay:
 

Right, however this is ONLY needed with Squeezebox1. SB2 and SB3 do not
drop the s/pdif signal, so there is no resyncing invovled.  If sync is
lost during silence, then sending more silence would not make a
difference.  Maybe I should not have assumed that he had a new
Squeezebox... unless it is an SB1, this is almost certainly a bug in
the receiver.


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[slim] Re: Beginning of Song Gets Cut Off

2006-08-12 Thread Robert_W

Sean, just for the sake of discussion I too have a similar problem, but
ONLY on start up of the first song played after turning the player on.
SB3. The first 1/2 second or so of the song is cut off. All songs
played after that play just fine no matter how I play them.search,
browse, playlist etc. This also happens if Pandora is the first thing
to be played after the SB3 is turned on. I have thought about it being
my pre amp too, could be I guess. I have tried turning the pre amp on
and off while leaving the SB3 on and the problem does not occur so I
really think that it's the SB3. 
And not that it's a huge problem, just a bit annoying. Over all I love
the device. 

I have an Outlaw 990. SB3 is connected via coax playing all FLAC except
Pandora obviously. Everything over Gigabit Ethernet, NO wireless. And no
I haven't tried analog, doesn't bother me that much. Just FYI. Thanks.


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[slim] Re: Beginning of Song Gets Cut Off

2006-08-11 Thread Fletch

Do you have crossfade or fade-in set for the player?


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[slim] Re: Beginning of Song Gets Cut Off

2006-08-11 Thread alderash

No, it's set to None.


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[slim] Re: Beginning of Song Gets Cut Off

2006-08-11 Thread chaz

What format are you ripping to?


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[slim] Re: Beginning of Song Gets Cut Off

2006-08-11 Thread alderash

I'm ripping to FLAC.

I just tried switching from a coaxial to an RCA cable it it works fine.
Kinda' stinks 'cause I figured digital out would be the way to go.

How many of you use RCA?


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[slim] Re: Beginning of Song Gets Cut Off

2006-08-11 Thread seanadams

what kind of receiver do you have?

It really sounds like the receiver is malfunctioning - it seems it is
losing the s/pdif signal when it goes silent. It's not something I've
heard of but I can think of a few possible ways it might happen.  You
might want to try the optical connection instead.


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[slim] Re: Beginning of Song Gets Cut Off

2006-08-11 Thread seanadams

Also do you see any indicator lights on the receiver changing as the
sound comes in and out?


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Re: [slim] Re: Beginning of Song Gets Cut Off

2006-08-11 Thread Pat Farrell

alderash wrote:

I'm ripping to FLAC.
I just tried switching from a coaxial to an RCA cable it it works fine.
Kinda' stinks 'cause I figured digital out would be the way to go.


It really depends on the quality of the DAC in your receiver. Which 
depends a lot on the age of it, since DACs get better following Moore's 
Law, new designs are a lot better than old ones, even fairly high end.


The SqueezeBox 3 has a pretty good DAC. I would expect it to be better 
than a four or five year old 'theater receiver' I would not expect it

to be better than something like a Meridian Control center, but
the Meridian costs at least $8,000


How many of you use RCA?


First of all, there is little point in asking such a poll question.
The user community is not the same as the folks on the forums and 
mailing lists. So it is not at all clear what the answer would mean, 
even if you got a decent statistical sample.


Do you mean how many folks use the SqueezeBox analog output RCA jacks?
A lot, probably the majority. Or do you mean how many use the RCA jack 
for digital out (S/PDIF)? A lot of folks do that, but I do not expect it
to be a majority. I have tested both the coax/rca digital out and the 
toslink (optical) link to my external DAC, and I can tell absolutely

no difference between them.

YMMV

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