[slim] Re: How do you categorize your music?
Yes, if you have the ; character set in the Server Settings / Behavior / Multiple Items in Tags field. For me it works for some, not all. But I will see if the rescan has done wonders when I come home... -- tommypeters SB3--Meridian G68--NuForce Ref8--Bc Acoustique ACT A3 tommypeters's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6528 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do you categorize your music?
To be honest I've never paid any attention to genres as I never use the tag for anything. I just let whatever freedb or whatever sends down fill the tag...unless I notice it's totally wrong then I'll alter it :) -- probedb Paul. 'last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/probedb) 'myspace.com' (http://www.myspace.com/l328nud) probedb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7825 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do you categorize your music?
I use -some- tags quite often. I've currently got about 50 tags (mostly because that's how they got ripped, not because I chose them), but want to get it down to a more useable 10-15. The biggest challenge is what to call stuff that's not quite Pop or Rock.. e.g. Bjork, Kate Bush etc -- Khuli http://www.last.fm/user/khuli Khuli's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=851 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do you categorize your music?
I would put Bjork in electronica -- Nostromo Nostromo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do you categorize your music?
Richie;143815 Wrote: Mmmm... When I browse my albums, I noticed that the albums I classified in mutiple genres, like Classical; modern for example, can only be seen in the Classical; modern genre. I would have thought that it would be in the Classical and modern genres. Did you enter the ; character on the Server Settings / Behavior / MULTIPLE ITEMS IN TAGS field? Richard I have the same problem, and an additional question: * I'm running SS 6.3.1 on a Synology DS-106 (using the latest version of SSODS, but this doesn't seem SSODS/Synology related). * The install on that disk is a fresh install, I use FLAC and everything is tagged. * My intention has been to use multiple genre tags, so I immediately entered the ; character in the Multiple Items in Tags field. Music that can interest my wife has gotten an extra wife tag, so I have (for instance) an ambient;wife genre tag. I don't know if it's significant that I don't have a space before or after the semicolon? * Yesterday I ordered a complete rescan, the first scan on the NAS. Today it didn't say the rescan was completed, but on the other hand when I ran SlimServer on my PC it always said it was scanning indefinetely (on my PC I never tried multiple tags, so I can't compare experiences with that). When I'm browsing around it anyway looks like everything is indexed in the database. * But - when I Browse Genre I see the composite genre tags ambient;wife and similar untouched. There are several albums under the wife tag, but only a few of the total combined genre tags. Should really the composite tags be shown here? Any ideas why some are resolved and some not? * Any ides why I never get a Scan Completed type of message? Do you normally get one? * Why isn't there a Search Genre in the standard browser? Is it possible to configure it to add that menu alternative/functionality? * Other comments? -- tommypeters SB3--Meridian G68--NuForce Ref8--Bc Acoustique ACT A3 tommypeters's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6528 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do you categorize your music?
tommypeters: If the multiple-genre bit is working properly for you, there should not be any ambient;wife genres showing up in the genre list. I don't know why some would be split and others not, unless you perhaps look very carefully at the tags and try to spot a difference (somebeody reported an issue if there is a stray space in there). Only one other thing - I know you said you'd rescanned, but you might want to try a clear and full rescan again. I'm not sure what a Search Genre would do for you? There's a Browse Genre, which should show you all your genres: and you can specify Genre in the Advanced Search. What else are you looking for? HTH Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do you categorize your music?
I tried 6.5.1 and it went horribly bad. Slimserver wouldn't even start anymore. So I reverted to 6.5.0. Now, it works OK, except for multiple genres. They don't seem to work anymore, even though I told Slimserver to consider tags with semi-colons as multiple genres. -- Nostromo Nostromo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do you categorize your music?
If 6.5.1 wouldn't start that may be because of plugin problems (there have been some issues with some versions of plugins crashng slimserver). Before you leap to the conclusion that its slimserver's fault, try eliminating plugins, or look at the error log while starting up. Multiple genres with a ; delimiter worked for me in 6.5.0 and the 6.5.1 I am using now, so some more investigation may be called for... Don't forget to do a full clear and rescan of your library... HTH Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do you categorize your music?
I didn't install any extra plugins. Not yet. I know, I'm not sure that 6.5.1 is the culprit. But I don't have the time to identify what, exactly, is wrong. So I flushed it. I finally fixed the problem. I simply had to remove the space between the semi-colon and the genre. Chanson;francophone instead of Chanson; francophone. I don't understand why's that, since it worked well before. -- Nostromo Nostromo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do you categorize your music?
Chip Hart;144220 Wrote: 1) I believe you, and that sounds like an awesome and interesting pre-children project :-) 2) One weekend? My God, it would take me months. 2004 was already known as the Great CD Ripping Year and is not to be repeated, mild as it was. (1) Well, more like post-children in my case! (2) You'd be surprised how quickly you can work through these if you put your mind to it, using mp3tag and its filter and sort capabilities, especially if your music is consistently tagged in the first place. You can also use its regular expression capabilities to write scripts to add a value to a multi-valued tag, which can be helpful. I'll bet you could cover 90% of almost any classical collection in a weekend... Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do you categorize your music?
Chip Hart;143900 Wrote: 20thC Chamber Which of these takes precedence? If someone writes 20th century Chamber music (and I presume you have a 21stC now...), where do you put it? Or 20thC Choral? thats the whole point - neither takes precedence, I use multiple values. So ALL of my classical music gets the tag classical. It also gets one of baroque, classicalperiod, romantic, 20thC. Except sometimes for crossover work when it might get two of those. Then its likely to get tagged as one of symphony, concerto, choral or chamber. So a Mozart symphony would be classical;classicalperiod;symphony and I can browse under any of those genres and find it. Or a Milhaud sonata might be classical;20thC;chamber;woodwind. The important thing for me was to think about how I want to choose music. Obviously if you know what you want to listen to, you just search for it and play it. But often I don't know - but I do feel like listening to something like... a symphony, or choral, or baroque, or piano. This system lets me do that. Personally I find this works very well, as I get a relatively short list of genres when browsing, but without being constrained by a restrictive classification system YMMV! Ideally, of course, I'd like to be able to do a cascaded browse so that having selected symphony I could then further browse by period (or conductor, or whatever)... this is the subject of an enhancement request! Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do you categorize your music?
)p(;143984 Wrote: I have not had the time to take a better look at it, but Erland's custombrowse plugin might be able to do something like that. peter It does, but only (AFAIK) if you are prepared to hard-wire the browse sequence (although you can define several such sequences). As such it is a step forward, but not the fully flexible solution I'd really like. Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: How do you categorize your music?
ceejay wrote: thats the whole point - neither takes precedence, I use multiple values. Oh, oh, oh. That makes a lot more sense. [Mark that the second message I've replied to today where I misunderstood someone.] I've given some thought to multi-tagging genres. I've certainly done a few hundred artists that way, but have been reluctant to learn of some unintended consequence and my wife isn't happy with how much time I've spent tagging already (20K tracks). But often I don't know - but I do feel like listening to something like... a symphony, or choral, or baroque, or piano. This system lets me do that. Indeed. The thing I'm always afraid of is feeling like I want to hear, say, some jazz and I miss seeing Jonas Hellborg or John McGlaughlin thing because I sub-categorized it poorly. Using multi-tags would work. OK, John Coltrane is 'jazz' with every not he ever played...but maybe Sonny Sharrock isn't. ...but do you actually go through every piece by hand? Aren't there Kronos Quartet albums, for example, that might need a half-dozen different tags - in addition to Classical - on a track-by-track basis? I see my OCD kicking in. -- Chip Hart - Pediatric Solutions * Physician's Computer Company chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St. #7, Winooski, VT 05404 800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip f.802-846-8178 * Pediatric Software Just Got Smarter. Your Practice Just Got Healthier. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do you categorize your music?
Chip Hart;144008 Wrote: ...but do you actually go through every piece by hand? Aren't there Kronos Quartet albums, for example, that might need a half-dozen different tags - in addition to Classical - on a track-by-track basis? I see my OCD kicking in. Yes. For new rips of classical music, this is a tiny overhead given the amount of time I take to get the rest of the tags right! For each piece (or for a whole CD if all the pieces are similar) simply select the tracks in mp3tag and type in a genre string. Done! My record so far, I think, is 6 values on one piece... Of course, I'd already ripped most of my music when I decided to go down this route so I did have to retrofit it. It wasn't as bad as you might think: mp3tag will allow you select whole chunks of tracks so you can do them in big batches. And the ones where I had to stop and think about it were very interesting: I found myself listening to bits of tracks I hadn't heard for ages, and looking up composers and pieces in wiki or allmusic.com for more information. It took a weekend and was worth every minute! Ceejay. -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: How do you categorize your music?
ceejay wrote: So ALL of my classical music gets the tag classical. It also gets one of baroque, classicalperiod, romantic, 20thC. Except sometimes for crossover work when it might get two of those. Then its likely to get tagged as one of symphony, concerto, choral or chamber. So a Mozart symphony would be classical;classicalperiod;symphony and I can browse under any of those genres and find it. Or a Milhaud sonata might be classical;20thC;chamber;woodwind. What do you do with Philip Glass? His work is currently tagged Classical;Avant Garde in my collection (mostly -- the Low and 'Heroes' symphonies add ...;Glam;Eno, and the soundtracks add ...;Soundtrack), but it just feels weird tagging music composed in my lifetime as classical. Is there another word for describing serious music written in the modern era? - Marc ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do you categorize your music?
Well, I haven't got any, but if I did I'm sure I'd categorize it as Classical;20thC. I can see that AvantGarde might be a useful value if I had much of that sort of thing. The distinction between Classical and non-classical is *mostly* clear... and isn't, in my mind at least, just a question of period. I mainly struggle when it comes to modern choral works such as those of Richard Allain. But at least the benefit of multi-value genre tagging is that you don't have to worry for long - if in doubt just give it multiple values and let it go! Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: How do you categorize your music?
ceejay wrote: For each piece (or for a whole CD if all the pieces are similar) simply select the tracks in mp3tag and type in a genre string. Done! My record so far, I think, is 6 values on one piece... I've got 20K tracks, 20% of which (I bet) could be properly multi-genre'd. And the ones where I had to stop and think about it were very interesting: I found myself listening to bits of tracks I hadn't heard for ages, and looking up composers and pieces in wiki or allmusic.com for more information. It took a weekend and was worth every minute! 1) I believe you, and that sounds like an awesome and interesting pre-children project :-) 2) One weekend? My God, it would take me months. 2004 was already known as the Great CD Ripping Year and is not to be repeated, mild as it was. -- Chip Hart - Pediatric Solutions * Physician's Computer Company chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St. #7, Winooski, VT 05404 800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip f.802-846-8178 * Pediatric Software Just Got Smarter. Your Practice Just Got Healthier. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do you categorize your music?
Mmmm... When I browse my albums, I noticed that the albums I classified in mutiple genres, like Classical; modern for example, can only be seen in the Classical; modern genre. I would have thought that it would be in the Classical and modern genres. -- Nostromo Nostromo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: How do you categorize your music?
Mmmm... When I browse my albums, I noticed that the albums I classified in mutiple genres, like Classical; modern for example, can only be seen in the Classical; modern genre. I would have thought that it would be in the Classical and modern genres. Did you enter the ; character on the Server Settings / Behavior / MULTIPLE ITEMS IN TAGS field? Richard ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: How do you categorize your music?
On 06/10/06, Richie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mmmm... When I browse my albums, I noticed that the albums I classified in mutiple genres, like Classical; modern for example, can only be seen in the Classical; modern genre. I would have thought that it would be in the Classical and modern genres. Did you enter the ; character on the Server Settings / Behavior / MULTIPLE ITEMS IN TAGS field? Richard Oops, I didn't notice you were using FLAC. Whilst the above should work, FLAC does support the use of multiple genre tags. Richard ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do you categorize your music?
i dont use genres, i find find them pretty useless, i divide my folders like this !! - #0to9 !! - various a - d e - h i - l m - p q - t u - w x - z each artist has its own folder and within those folders are albums by that artist. example: /a - d/arovane/arovane - atol scrap/ 00. arovane - atol scrap.jpg 01. arovane - nonlin.r.mp3 02. arovane - tascel_7.mp3 03. arovane - thaem nue.mp3 etc etc.. filename format: track#. artist - title.mp3 id3 v1+2 all in lowercase well, it works for me :) -- kaen kaen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7807 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do you categorize your music?
Richie;143815 Wrote: Mmmm... When I browse my albums, I noticed that the albums I classified in mutiple genres, like Classical; modern for example, can only be seen in the Classical; modern genre. I would have thought that it would be in the Classical and modern genres. Did you enter the ; character on the Server Settings / Behavior / MULTIPLE ITEMS IN TAGS field? Richard Ah, I see. Thanks! Now it works. -- Nostromo Nostromo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do you categorize your music?
kaen;143820 Wrote: i dont use genres, i find find them pretty useless, i divide my folders like this !! - #0to9 !! - various a - d e - h i - l m - p q - t u - w x - z each artist has its own folder and within those folders are albums by that artist. example: /a - d/arovane/arovane - atol scrap/ 00. arovane - atol scrap.jpg 01. arovane - nonlin.r.mp3 02. arovane - tascel_7.mp3 03. arovane - thaem nue.mp3 etc etc.. filename format: track#. artist - title.mp3 id3 v1+2 all in lowercase well, it works for me :) Sounds like you're missing out on the beauty of a database! Try tags--you don't have to give up your file structure. -- azinck3 azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: How do you categorize your music?
Quoting kaen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): id3 v1+2 all in lowercase ACK! You are hitting my OCD trigger! Can I come over and fix this to 'normal' case? Please? -- Miss October 3rd? Make every day a Day Against DRM (Digital Restrictions Management), learn more at http://www.defectivebydesign.org/what_is_drm ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do you categorize your music?
How do I categorize? Here is a full list of the genres in my library. Liberal use of multiple genre values, especially on the classical... 20thC Baroque Blues Chamber Choral Christmas Classical Classicalperiod Comedy Compositions Concerto Dances Easy Electronic Folk Folk-Rock Jazz Latin Loud Meditation Metal Minimalism Musical Overture Piano Pop Progressive Metal Reggae Rock Romantic Soul Strings Symphony Vocal Woodwind World Ceejay. -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do you categorize your music?
Dave Dewey;143842 Wrote: Quoting kaen (kaen.2f9vyz1160165701 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com): id3 v1+2 all in lowercase ACK! You are hitting my OCD trigger! Can I come over and fix this to 'normal' case? Please? you may not, i love lowercase. -- kaen kaen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7807 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: How do you categorize your music?
How do I categorize? Here is a full list of the genres in my library. I find that, for genres, I have to use as few as possible because it's so impossible to properly categorize everything. For example, from your list: 20thC Chamber Which of these takes precedence? If someone writes 20th century Chamber music (and I presume you have a 21stC now...), where do you put it? Or 20thC Choral? My goal is to have a very limited set of genres so that I don't miss something I wanted to listen to because I went down the wrong path. Worse, once you start to sub-categorize things, you can play semantic games forever. Is KISS really hard rock? Or Glam? Or Metal? -- Chip Hart - Pediatric Solutions * Physician's Computer Company chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St. #7, Winooski, VT 05404 800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip f.802-846-8178 * Pediatric Software Just Got Smarter. Your Practice Just Got Healthier. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
