[slim] Re: fairplay opening up?
I guess I'm just waiting for a download service that will allow me to grab CD quality (or hopefully better) sound and use it on my Squeezebox, Macs, and iPods. Until then, I'll be buying CDs and ripping them in ALC. -- schalliol schalliol's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1854 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31767 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: fairplay opening up?
Or a better solution would be; don't buy your music from i-tunes. -- autopilot *SlimServer Version:* 6.5 (Windows XP) + AlienBBC, SlimScrobbler Last.FM. *Amp:* Cambridge Audio 640a (living room) / Denon MD30 (bedroom). *Speakers:* Mission 701's (living room) / Kef Cresta 1's (bedroom). *Remote:* T-Mobile MDA Vario / Sony PSP / Harmony 525 (IR). *Clients:* 1 Squeezebox 3 + Softsqueeze. autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31767 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: fairplay opening up?
Agreed that you could do the burn and re-rip, but the quality would suffer. Personally, I'm not going below lossless these days anyway. Apple's lossless works great and usually runs around 800kbps. Storage is cheap, suffering through low-quality music is not. -- schalliol schalliol's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1854 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31767 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: fairplay opening up?
autopilot;171467 Wrote: Or a better solution would be; don't buy your music from i-tunes. Agreed. Forgive me, but I fail to see why people buy DRM audio and then bitch about it later. Best thing to do is avoid it in the first place. -- egd Linux and loving IT! egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31767 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: fairplay opening up?
schalliol;171491 Wrote: Agreed that you could do the burn and re-rip, but the quality would suffer. Personally, I'm not going below lossless these days anyway. Apple's lossless works great and usually runs around 800kbps. Storage is cheap, suffering through low-quality music is not. I never have bought music from Itunes because of the bad quality and DRM. But my son gets itunes gift certificates and sometimes buys from them, so it would be nice to be able to stream that as well. IHe is weaning homself from itunes now that he understands the DRM and quality issue. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31767 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: fairplay opening up?
I bought some singles from iTunes when I first got my iPod a couple of years ago, just to use in the gym, but now that I have my Main Squeeze I am not buying any more low bitrate, DRM music from iTunes. -- sc53 sc53's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8690 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31767 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: fairplay opening up?
You can use QTFairUse6 to remove the DRM from iTunes music without any further degradation in quality. http://www.hymn-project.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1553 Steve. -- SteveEast SteveEast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4193 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31767 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: fairplay opening up?
tomjtx wrote: schalliol;171491 Wrote: Agreed that you could do the burn and re-rip, but the quality would suffer. Personally, I'm not going below lossless these days anyway. Apple's lossless works great and usually runs around 800kbps. Storage is cheap, suffering through low-quality music is not. I never have bought music from Itunes because of the bad quality and DRM. But my son gets itunes gift certificates and sometimes buys from them, so it would be nice to be able to stream that as well. IHe is weaning homself from itunes now that he understands the DRM and quality issue. Well, I figure he got the listening rights to the tunes legally, so what's to stop you from firing up edonkey and downloading the flac version? Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: fairplay opening up?
Will Slim try to be one of the companies allowed to access fairplay? -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31767 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: fairplay opening up?
I think you should take this with the big grain of salt most Apple rumors require. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31767 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: fairplay opening up?
2 of my fantasies: Itunes ALAC dowloads No DRM on ALAC downloads As they say in Spain De ilusion tan bien se vive how well one lives with illusion -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31767 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: fairplay opening up?
I agree I don't think this is likely...at least in a big way. I would however love to have the ability to use the few files I bought from them on my Squeezebox. I would buy more if I could use them on it. -- schalliol schalliol's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1854 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31767 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: fairplay opening up?
Why would Apple do this for Slim/Logitech? I bet iTunes tracks play really well on AppleTV, why would they allow the Squeezebox to compete with them? That certainly doesn't sound like Apple... -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31767 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: fairplay opening up?
key thing: ...to licensed iPod accessory makers so, who thinks squeezebox is an ipod accessory? Why not wait until it's not a rumour to start stretching the reality. -k -- kdf kdf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31767 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: fairplay opening up?
schalliol;171244 Wrote: I would however love to have the ability to use the few files I bought from them on my Squeezebox. I would buy more if I could use them on it. Burn them to an audio format CDR (or CDRW if you don't want to waste blanks) - the licensing allows you to do this. Then rip them back in whatever non-DRM'd format you like. A bit of a pain, but it's do-able. -- cliveb Performers - dozens of mixers and effects - clipped/hypercompressed mastering - you think a few extra ps of jitter matters? cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31767 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: fairplay opening up?
cliveb;171258 Wrote: Burn them to an audio format CDR (or CDRW if you don't want to waste blanks) - the licensing allows you to do this. Then rip them back in whatever non-DRM'd format you like. A bit of a pain, but it's do-able. You mean rip them back in whatever *lossless* non-DRM'd format you like or you will further diminish the sound quality, converting that 128k AAC into the equivalent of a 96k or lower but still taking the disc space of a 128k -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31767 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: fairplay opening up?
kdf;171249 Wrote: key thing: ...to licensed iPod accessory makers Not to get anyone's hope up, but we are already a licensed iPod accessory maker: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN/,crid=2414,contentid=10785 However, the rumor makes no sense. Why would an iPod _accessory_ need to decode FairPlay? -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31767 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: fairplay opening up?
Also, TFA suggests that licensed devices might soon be able to access song title and artist info through the docking connector... but they can already do that! (TuneView does it, for example) -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31767 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: fairplay opening up?
snarlydwarf;171267 Wrote: You mean rip them back in whatever *lossless* non-DRM'd format you like or you will further diminish the sound quality, converting that 128k AAC into the equivalent of a 96k or lower but still taking the disc space of a 128k OK, I'm confused ( as usual). If you burn a 128 aac to disc and re-import at 128aac it's still 128, right? So it's still the same (bad) quality but at least not inferior to the original download. Or am I missing something? -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31767 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: fairplay opening up?
tomjtx wrote: snarlydwarf;171267 Wrote: You mean rip them back in whatever *lossless* non-DRM'd format you like or you will further diminish the sound quality, converting that 128k AAC into the equivalent of a 96k or lower but still taking the disc space of a 128k OK, I'm confused ( as usual). If you burn a 128 aac to disc and re-import at 128aac it's still 128, right? So it's still the same (bad) quality but at least not inferior to the original download. It's 2nd generation 128. You're encoding it twice with the resulting additional degradation of the sound. Analogy: record a CD to cassette, then record the cassette onto another cassette. The same principle applies. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: fairplay opening up?
Thanks for clearing that up , Robin. So if it's re-imported ALAC or FLAC the sound is not degraded but you are using FLAC size file for 128 sound quality? What a rip, so to speak. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31767 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
