[slim] Re: iTunes WAV -> AIFF adds volume adjustment field info
eschurr;144168 Wrote: > Which versions of iTunes automatically puts the sound check tags on? i > haven't jump to v 7. > > where does iTunes write the sound check information? in what tags? V6 doesn't. That's about all I can say. Steve. -- SteveEast SteveEast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4193 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: iTunes WAV -> AIFF adds volume adjustment field info
Which versions of iTunes automatically puts the sound check tags on? i haven't jump to v 7. where does iTunes write the sound check information? in what tags? -- eschurr eschurr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2007 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: iTunes WAV -> AIFF adds volume adjustment field info
eschurr;143899 Wrote: > All the information is in this other thread > > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28152 Didn't I read somewhere that SS 6.5 prioritises tags differently to previous versions? Steve. -- SteveEast SteveEast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4193 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: iTunes WAV -> AIFF adds volume adjustment field info
Steven Spies;143519 Wrote: > Newer versions of iTunes will add the "sound check" tag to all files > it knows how to tag. This includes AIFF but not WAV. It does not > matter if sound check is turned on or off in iTunes like it used to. > Jeez, I missed this post...getting oldgotta do some digging on this one... Steve. -- SteveEast SteveEast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4193 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: iTunes WAV -> AIFF adds volume adjustment field info
All the information is in this other thread http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28152 -- eschurr eschurr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2007 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: iTunes WAV -> AIFF adds volume adjustment field info
eschurr;143834 Wrote: > Not sure if this is relevant, but i'll offer it up anyway. > > I've been using MP3Gain with slimserver and an SB3 for quite a while > and LOVING how it keeps the songs at relatively the same volume. > > However, i recently upgraded to slimserver 6.5 and now i'm getting > weird, huge volume adjusment values. Can't tell where they're coming > from and it's really a bummer. > > -- MP3Gain doesn't show such large values > -- i had sound check turned on in iTunes (altho i don't like the sonic > quality of sound check) but i turned it off. I even fiddled with the > volume adjustment slider in iTunes but it makes no difference to > slimserver. > > I think there's a bug in 6.5. Since the iTunes volume adjustment slider certainly works in SS 6.2.1 (I have one track with it cranked up to +100%, which SS shows as 6.02 dB, and the difference is obviously obvious), it does seem like their might be a 6.5 problem. What volume adjustment values does SS show for you? Steve. -- SteveEast SteveEast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4193 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: iTunes WAV -> AIFF adds volume adjustment field info
Timbo;143774 Wrote: > Hey something else just found with iTunes 7 (had to try it!) - album art > now gets imported and added to any file (in the iTunes database > supposedly not the file) - including WAV - but you can't drag and drop > art onto a WAV file! So iTunes can do it, but the user can't...:-( That's interesting. I hadn't realised until you posted that you can't add artwork to WAVs in iTunes - I had just assumed iTunes would allow it but keep it separate. Steve. -- SteveEast SteveEast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4193 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: iTunes WAV -> AIFF adds volume adjustment field info
Not sure if this is relevant, but i'll offer it up anyway. I've been using MP3Gain with slimserver and an SB3 for quite a while and LOVING how it keeps the songs at relatively the same volume. However, i recently upgraded to slimserver 6.5 and now i'm getting weird, huge volume adjusment values. Can't tell where they're coming from and it's really a bummer. -- MP3Gain doesn't show such large values -- i had sound check turned on in iTunes (altho i don't like the sonic quality of sound check) but i turned it off. I even fiddled with the volume adjustment slider in iTunes but it makes no difference to slimserver. I think there's a bug in 6.5. -- eschurr eschurr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2007 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: iTunes WAV -> AIFF adds volume adjustment field info
Hey something else just found with iTunes 7 (had to try it!) - album art now gets imported and added to any file (in the iTunes database supposedly not the file) - including WAV - but you can't drag and drop art onto a WAV file! So iTunes can do it, but the user can't...:-( -- Timbo Timbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=933 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: iTunes WAV -> AIFF adds volume adjustment field info
Importing a file doesn't do a conversion - at least it doesn't in iTunes 6. That setting is only used for ripping and the "Convert to" menu. Kinda weird. Steve. -- SteveEast SteveEast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4193 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: iTunes WAV -> AIFF adds volume adjustment field info
SteveEast;143455 Wrote: > OK, take one of your WAV files and save it to your desktop. Rename it. > Then add it back into your iTunes library. Check the properties, just > the name should be set. Now convert it to AIFF. Check with SS for > volume adjustment - sure as hell shouldn't be any. > > Steve. Just did that - still has volume adjustment - I reckon my iTunes is broke! Tell you why, when I did first import from desktop didn't check I had 'WAV' as Advanced/Import option - just presumed it was as always is. And lo and behold the file was imported as WAV - but when I went to edit these options to convert to AIFF for the next bit of the test I found the options were set to AIFF!! So why did it import the file as WAV then...double checked file definitely WAV..really weird. Thinking of upgrading to 7 anyway so lets hope it clears these thing up! :-) -- Timbo Timbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=933 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: iTunes WAV -> AIFF adds volume adjustment field info
Newer versions of iTunes will add the "sound check" tag to all files it knows how to tag. This includes AIFF but not WAV. It does not matter if sound check is turned on or off in iTunes like it used to. On 10/5/06, SteveEast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OK, take one of your WAV files and save it to your desktop. Rename it. Then add it back into your iTunes library. Check the properties, just the name should be set. Now convert it to AIFF. Check with SS for volume adjustment - sure as hell shouldn't be any. Steve. -- SteveEast SteveEast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4193 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: iTunes WAV -> AIFF adds volume adjustment field info
OK, take one of your WAV files and save it to your desktop. Rename it. Then add it back into your iTunes library. Check the properties, just the name should be set. Now convert it to AIFF. Check with SS for volume adjustment - sure as hell shouldn't be any. Steve. -- SteveEast SteveEast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4193 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: iTunes WAV -> AIFF adds volume adjustment field info
No sound check selected, Equalizer off...it's a mystery :-) -- Timbo Timbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=933 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: iTunes WAV -> AIFF adds volume adjustment field info
OK, I did some research and understand how iTunesEncode works now. Looks like that was a dead end. I don't see that you confirmed that iTunes Sound Check isn't set. It isn't I assume? And there's an Equalizer as well (bottom right hand side). That's disabled as well? Not that I would have expected either of these to affect a transcoding, but... Steve. -- SteveEast SteveEast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4193 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: iTunes WAV -> AIFF adds volume adjustment field info
Hi Steve - this is what my EAC external compressor settings look like (just for your info :-) works great with iTunes "-e "WAV Encoder" -a "%a" -l "%g" -t "%t" -g "%m" -y %y -n %n -i %s -o %d" - nothing in there I hope set them up so long ago no idea what all the switches do now! Thats the problem with EAC isn't it, lots to set-up. :-) -- Timbo Timbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=933 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: iTunes WAV -> AIFF adds volume adjustment field info
Timbo;142051 Wrote: > They were ripped with EAC, to WAV and then iTunes via iTunesEncode - > just checked and haven't got EAC nomalise switched on - strange :-/ I thought iTunesEncode wrote .M4A files? Or does leaving off the -o cause it to just do the iTunes tagging? Steve. -- SteveEast SteveEast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4193 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: iTunes WAV -> AIFF adds volume adjustment field info
Timbo;142051 Wrote: > They were ripped with EAC, to WAV and then iTunes via iTunesEncode - > just checked and haven't got EAC nomalise switched on - strange :-/ Normalization isn't recommended, and even if you did turn it on, it doesn't write any tags because WAV can't be tagged. Instead it permanently alters the audio data - which is why it's not recommended! -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: iTunes WAV -> AIFF adds volume adjustment field info
They were ripped with EAC, to WAV and then iTunes via iTunesEncode - just checked and haven't got EAC nomalise switched on - strange :-/ -- Timbo Timbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=933 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: iTunes WAV -> AIFF adds volume adjustment field info
I just tried something similar - converted an AAC track to WAV and then AIFF with iTunes 6. No replay gain showing in SS or dBPowerAmp. Got me stumped... What was the original source of your WAV files? Ripped with...? Steve. -- SteveEast SteveEast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4193 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: iTunes WAV -> AIFF adds volume adjustment field info
Yeah I thought that Steve, but no the original doesn't have volume adjustment set - tried converting another track later just to see and that had a volume adjustment also - perhaps it's an iTunes 6 bug (not tried 7 as worried it will mess up something :-) Actually this isn't a big concern as Slimserver doesn't use the info...just wondered thats all. :-) -- Timbo Timbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=933 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: iTunes WAV -> AIFF adds volume adjustment field info
I assume you double checked that the WAV original doesn't have iTunes volume adjustment set? Steve. -- SteveEast SteveEast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4193 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: iTunes WAV -> AIFF adds volume adjustment field info
Huh. Well sorry for the incorrect info. I'll revise my post. Still not entirely sure why you're not using a lossless, compressed format like FLAC or ALAC. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: iTunes WAV -> AIFF adds volume adjustment field info
Mark Lanctot;141747 Wrote: > Note you -still- don't have tags because AIFF doesn't support tags. > SlimServer is reading the "tag" information from the iTunes database. > > If your iTunes database gets corrupted you will lose all this info. > > I'm not sure how volume adjustment got in there, but you can disable > SlimServer doing anything with it in Player Settings - Audio - Volume > Adjustment/ReplayGain (last item). "AIFF is a common uncompressed audio file format, and is compatible with Apple Macintosh computers. Note that AIFF files can contain ID3 Tags, so the AIFF format is ideal for importing uncompressed audio into software that understands ID3 tags, such as iTunes" This qoute taken from Riptastic! AIFF Encoder - methinks AIFF uses consumer 'ID3 ' chunk tagging to store tag info, not the pro chunks used by other Apple software. Incidentally, when I look at AIFF files in Slimserver I look at them by browsing the music folder which is not the same drive iTunes music is stored on and the file in question is not indexed in the iTunes library at all (it was copied to the other drive so cannot be referencing the iTunes database). A similar WAV file given the same treatment does not display this info at all. Info is: Title: Crawling up a Hill Artist: Katie Melua Album: Call Off The Search Genre: Jazz Track: 2 File Format: AIFF Duration: 3:25 Volume Adjustment: -9.67 dB Year: 2003 File Length: 36,239,488 Bytes Bitrate: 1411kbps CBRSample Rate: 44.1 kHz Sample Size: 16 Bits ID3 Tag Version: ID3v2.2.0 Location: D:\My Music\02 Crawling up a Hill.aif (Download) Date Modified: Sunday, October 1, 2006, 9:57:04 PM Anyway - about this 'Volume Adjustment: -9.67 dB'...anyone have any inside info on where iTunes got that from when it made the file originally..? :-) -- Timbo Timbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=933 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: iTunes WAV -> AIFF adds volume adjustment field info
Note you -still- don't have tags because AIFF doesn't support tags. SlimServer is reading the "tag" information from the iTunes database. If your iTunes database gets corrupted you will lose all this info. I'm not sure how volume adjustment got in there, but you can disable SlimServer doing anything with it in Player Settings - Audio - Volume Adjustment/ReplayGain (last item). -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
