Re: [slim] iTunes to sell DRM-free 256 kbps AAC
On 4/6/07, egd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Phil Meyer;192971 Wrote: > Also transcoding is degrading the quality of the music, as the source is > not lossless. This would not be the case if transcoding to WAV during playback, which is what I presume happens - wouldn't be much sense re-encoding something on the fly for playback. By default transcode happens to FLAC to preserve bandwidth, I believe. Ben ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iTunes to sell DRM-free 256 kbps AAC
Phil Meyer;192971 Wrote: > Also transcoding is degrading the quality of the music, as the source is > not lossless. This would not be the case if transcoding to WAV during playback, which is what I presume happens - wouldn't be much sense re-encoding something on the fly for playback. -- egd Linux and loving IT! egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34130 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iTunes to sell DRM-free 256 kbps AAC
Also transcoding is degrading the quality of the music, as the source is not lossless. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iTunes to sell DRM-free 256 kbps AAC
>I hope Slim Devices choses to support non-DRM ACC files. >Yes, they do, through transcoding. I'm wondering why this is such a problem? Good question. AAC is supported through transcoding. In a typical SlimServer + SB scenario transcoding works well and there is no problem. AAC support in firmware is needed when you want to avoid transcoding. For example when SlimServer is setup on a NAS or the music is stored online ( Oboe Locker ). Someone could argue that these are very specific scenarios and that number of users interested in the requested enhancement is tiny. However, since both WMA and OGG support was added to the firmware in the past, there is still hope that this will be addressed in the future... -- shvejk shvejk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1337 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34130 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iTunes to sell DRM-free 256 kbps AAC
Mark Lanctot;192500 Wrote: > Yes, they do, through transcoding. I'm wondering why this is such a > problem? Thank you , Mark, for pointing that out. I also wondered what the fuss was. I can play AAC files on my TP with no problem. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34130 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iTunes to sell DRM-free 256 kbps AAC
Jazz1;192378 Wrote: > I hope Slim Devices choses to support non-DRM ACC files. Yes, they do, through transcoding. I'm wondering why this is such a problem? -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34130 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iTunes to sell DRM-free 256 kbps AAC
Tom;192425 Wrote: > > Is a license required to distribute an AAC decoder? (I > > doubt it, but does anyone know for sure?) > > Yes, as does MP3. > > http://www.musemagic.com/papers/licensinginfo.html > > Tom Hey, thanks for the link! (I especially like the per-channel licencing fee. "Oh, you wanted -stereo-? That's gonna run you.") -- windowshade windowshade's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5046 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34130 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iTunes to sell DRM-free 256 kbps AAC
> Is a license required to distribute an AAC decoder? (I > doubt it, but does anyone know for sure?) Yes, as does MP3. http://www.musemagic.com/papers/licensinginfo.html Tom ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iTunes to sell DRM-free 256 kbps AAC
I found an existing enhancement request in Bugzilla. Bug number 1985, "add support for aac in firmware". http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1985 Please vote for this bug if the feature is important to you. Thanks, -- shvejk shvejk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1337 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34130 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iTunes to sell DRM-free 256 kbps AAC
I've got a large iTunes library, now outdone by CD's ripped by me. I hope Slim Devices choses to support non-DRM ACC files. Of course I have no idea how many of my 2,000 iTunes songs come under the new agreement with EMI, or if any other companies will go along with this. -- Jazz1 Jazz1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6623 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34130 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iTunes to sell DRM-free 256 kbps AAC
> Now if you wanted to pay an extra chunk of money to Slimdevices so > they could pay a licensing fee to Apple, you might get somewhere. The licensing fees seem reasonable to me. I am happy to pay a couple of extra $ to cover the cost. http://www.vialicensing.com/Licensing/MPEG4_fees.cfm?product=MPEG-4AAC > On the other hand, why should Slimdevices put themselves at a competitive > disadvantage price-wise in order to support a proprietary format when > there are great, free, lossless formats such as flac available? I am not asking for the free formats to be removed. It is great that they are supported. This is about making the great player even better and attracting new customers. Similar arguments had been made before wma support was added to the player firmware. Today we can clearly see that it was a great decision. Pandora, Rhapsody, SN support of many internet radio stations, all made possible because of that. > Indeed, why would anyone have chosen a proprietary format over a free > one in the first place- oh yeah, those Ipods are s cute! iTunes customer base is huge, if you like it or not. It makes sense to enhance SB compatibility with iTunes music. Cheers, -- shvejk shvejk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1337 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34130 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iTunes to sell DRM-free 256 kbps AAC
It -would- be nice to see AAC decoded in the box. If this is not already a priority, the EMI/iTunes DRM decision ought to tip the scales. The Wikipedia link addresses streaming and distribution, but not -decoding-. Is a license required to distribute an AAC decoder? (I doubt it, but does anyone know for sure?) -- windowshade windowshade's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5046 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34130 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iTunes to sell DRM-free 256 kbps AAC
The correct i.e. unbroken link is here http://tinyurl.com/3djk98 On Apr 3, 2007, at 3:15 AM, Patrick Dowling wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Advanced_Audio_Coding#Licensing_and_patents ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iTunes to sell DRM-free 256 kbps AAC
Apple didn't create AAC and doesn't own it, they simply use it in iTunes and on the iPods. Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Advanced_Audio_Coding#Licensing_and_patents for some of the details. On Apr 2, 2007, at 10:01 PM, tyler_durden wrote: > > You can't have AAC support in firmware because slimdevices hasn't paid > Apple for a license. > > That's one of the prices you pay for adopting a proprietary format. > > Now if you wanted to pay an extra chunk of money to Slimdevices so > they > could pay a licensing fee to Apple, you might get somewhere. On the > other hand, why should Slimdevices put themselves at a competitive > disadvantage price-wise in order to support a proprietary format when > there are great, free, lossless formats such as flac available? > Indeed, why would anyone have chosen a proprietary format over a free > one in the first place- oh yeah, those Ipods are s cute! > > Will Slimdevices make enough money selling more SBs to apple fans who > made the mistake of investing large sums into proprietary format > libraries to offset the loss of customers due to increased price of > the > SB? Will apple license AAC decoders or will they keep their flock > penned securely in the Apple hardware corral? > Questions, questions > > TD > > > -- > tyler_durden > -- > -- > tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php? > userid=2701 > View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34130 > > ___ > discuss mailing list > discuss@lists.slimdevices.com > http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iTunes to sell DRM-free 256 kbps AAC
You can't have AAC support in firmware because slimdevices hasn't paid Apple for a license. That's one of the prices you pay for adopting a proprietary format. Now if you wanted to pay an extra chunk of money to Slimdevices so they could pay a licensing fee to Apple, you might get somewhere. On the other hand, why should Slimdevices put themselves at a competitive disadvantage price-wise in order to support a proprietary format when there are great, free, lossless formats such as flac available? Indeed, why would anyone have chosen a proprietary format over a free one in the first place- oh yeah, those Ipods are s cute! Will Slimdevices make enough money selling more SBs to apple fans who made the mistake of investing large sums into proprietary format libraries to offset the loss of customers due to increased price of the SB? Will apple license AAC decoders or will they keep their flock penned securely in the Apple hardware corral? Questions, questions TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34130 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iTunes to sell DRM-free 256 kbps AAC
shvejk;191980 Wrote: > Great news to all SB users. > > Now, can we have AAC support in firmware, please? I second the motion. -- LejfK LejfK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3773 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34130 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] iTunes to sell DRM-free 256 kbps AAC
Great news to all SB users. Now, can we have AAC support in firmware, please? -- shvejk shvejk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1337 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34130 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
