Re: [slim] Backing up ripped music
max.spicer wrote: > > Manuel Rathmann wrote (in "New Buffalo Linkstation and Slimserver"): >> [..] my harddrive just went up in smoke - most probaply because I > left it running for too long due to my Squeezebox. > > This sort of thing scares me a lot. I reckon I'll have spent 36 hours > ripping all my music when I'm done, and there will be around 100GB of > data. How do you go about backing this sort of thing up? The only > really feasible thing I can think of is to buy a second hard disk and > use RAID 1 (mirrored pair of disks). After that, I just have to hope > that something doesn't happen that takes out the whole computer. Has > anyone else got any workable solutions? I just arranged with one of my friends to backup my music to his computer nightly using rsync. I'm already backing up my mail and a large portion of my home directories. I'm thinking about sending him a spare 60 gig drive I have lying about to mount it in, but that will probably be later. This machine has plenty of spare capacity. Since I'm in Seattle Washington and the machine is in Dublin Ohio, short of thermo-nuclear warfare, my music should be safe. In the event of thermo-nuclear warfare, I will have bigger fish to fry. -- Dane Jackson - z u v e m b i @ u n i x b i g o t s . o r g "Necessity is the mother of invention" is a silly proverb. "Necessity is the mother of futile dodges" is much nearer the truth. -- Alfred North Whitehead ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Backing up ripped music
On Sun, 2005-04-10 at 08:21 -0600, Robert Wallace wrote: > I'm probably a bit old-fashioned. I tend to think of hard disks as > production media not suitable to off-line long term storage. I'm sure > that's no longer the case... But for me it's not really long term. Since I rerun the backup roughly every month to catch any updates, I only need it to last that long. If it doesn't do that, then I'm really worried about the rest of my system. -- "The biggest problem encountered while trying to design a system that was completely foolproof, was, that people tended to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." (Douglas Adams) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Backing up ripped music
Of course, the ulitmate off-line backup of a CD, is the CD itself. Mine go into a box in the basement. *grin* Mine are in folders behind the bed. Kevin -- Kevin O. Lepard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Happiness is being 100% Microsoft free. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Backing up ripped music
So you've got a backup solution AND a way of not having to run your PC all the time. Of course, the Buffalo Linkstation is just a PC, too. Running slimserver on it is a cool hack, but if reliability is really your goal, do you really want to hack the very device you're using to store the data? Kevin -- Kevin O. Lepard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Happiness is being 100% Microsoft free. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Backing up ripped music
How do you go about backing this sort of thing up? The only really feasible thing I can think of is to buy a second hard disk and use RAID 1 (mirrored pair of disks). After that, I just have to hope that something doesn't happen that takes out the whole computer. Has anyone else got any workable solutions? Well, my music collection is fairly static. I add a bit from time to time but it doesn't change radically on a day to day basis. I back up two copies to DVD-R. I like the Verbatim MediDiscs as opposed to generics. I've had trouble with generic DVD-R. The Verbatim MediDiscs are DICOM compliant and acceptable for use in HIPPA applications so at the very least should tend to be among the higher quality DVD-R media. They do cost a little more, though. I keep one set off-site and another set in a media safe in the house. If you're less picky and have a dual-layer driver, you'd need 10-12 disks for your collection twice that for a single layer disk. Not too onerous by my standards, YMMV. I also keep 3 different copies of the ripped music data on 3 different hard drives in 2 different computers in the house. A RAID would be nice, too, but it's not really a backup. RAID vs. backup has been discussed here before. HTH Kevin -- Kevin O. Lepard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Happiness is being 100% Microsoft free. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Backing up ripped music
I'm probably a bit old-fashioned. I tend to think of hard disks as production media not suitable to off-line long term storage. I'm sure that's no longer the case... Any way, when I ripped my CD collection for the 4th (and final time) -- to FLAC -- I backed up the FLAC files onto DVD. Now, as I rip new purchases, I hold a copy of the FLACs in a directory until I have enough to fill another DVD and I burn those, too. Of course, the ulitmate off-line backup of a CD, is the CD itself. Mine go into a box in the basement. (belt and suspenders) Robert max.spicer wrote: Manuel Rathmann wrote (in "New Buffalo Linkstation and Slimserver"): [..] my harddrive just went up in smoke - most probaply because I left it running for too long due to my Squeezebox. This sort of thing scares me a lot. I reckon I'll have spent 36 hours ripping all my music when I'm done, and there will be around 100GB of data. How do you go about backing this sort of thing up? The only really feasible thing I can think of is to buy a second hard disk and use RAID 1 (mirrored pair of disks). After that, I just have to hope that something doesn't happen that takes out the whole computer. Has anyone else got any workable solutions? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Backing up ripped music
Well Max - this is what I am exactly trying to work out. The idea I had is to buy a Buffalo Linkstation. It's an external harddrive which you can link to your PC either via a wireless network or hardwired. Besides having an external drive which can be in a physical different location than your PC (in case your whole PC drowns/burns etc.) you can also run slimserver on it. This means you do not have to have your PC running in order to use your Squeezebox. You simply mirror whatever you have on your PC onto the Linkstation and you're done. So you've got a backup solution AND a way of not having to run your PC all the time. The only thing is and that's what I am trying to find out is - the Linkstation is not supposed to run any software on it but some clever people found a way around this. The only thing I don't know is if this workaround does still work with the latest Linkstations... Anyone any idea? Cheers, Manuel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of max.spicer Sent: Sonntag, 10. April 2005 11:14 To: discuss@lists.slimdevices.com Subject: [slim] Backing up ripped music Manuel Rathmann wrote (in "New Buffalo Linkstation and Slimserver"): > [..] my harddrive just went up in smoke - most probaply because I left it running for too long due to my Squeezebox. This sort of thing scares me a lot. I reckon I'll have spent 36 hours ripping all my music when I'm done, and there will be around 100GB of data. How do you go about backing this sort of thing up? The only really feasible thing I can think of is to buy a second hard disk and use RAID 1 (mirrored pair of disks). After that, I just have to hope that something doesn't happen that takes out the whole computer. Has anyone else got any workable solutions? -- max.spicer The wild things roared their terrible roars and gnashed their terrible teeth and rolled their terrible eyes and showed their terrible claws but Max stepped into his private boat and waved good-bye ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Backing up ripped music
Best way (in my opinion) is to get a second drive in an external Firewire/USB case and just copy all your data across to it then disconnect and store the backup in a cupboard somewhere. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of max.spicer Sent: 10 April 2005 11:14 To: discuss@lists.slimdevices.com Subject: [slim] Backing up ripped music Manuel Rathmann wrote (in "New Buffalo Linkstation and Slimserver"): > [..] my harddrive just went up in smoke - most probaply because I left it running for too long due to my Squeezebox. This sort of thing scares me a lot. I reckon I'll have spent 36 hours ripping all my music when I'm done, and there will be around 100GB of data. How do you go about backing this sort of thing up? The only really feasible thing I can think of is to buy a second hard disk and use RAID 1 (mirrored pair of disks). After that, I just have to hope that something doesn't happen that takes out the whole computer. Has anyone else got any workable solutions? -- max.spicer The wild things roared their terrible roars and gnashed their terrible teeth and rolled their terrible eyes and showed their terrible claws but Max stepped into his private boat and waved good-bye ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Backing up ripped music
The standard recommendation for this is to buy another disk, clone your disk onto it, take it out and store it somewhere safe. Repeat periodically. RAID is good at keeping systems running during disk failures, but it's not a backup solution. The problem with RAID solutions, is that if something goes wrong with the OS/FS or with user error it'll probably be replicated on both drives, and bang goes (some of) your backup. On Sun, 2005-04-10 at 03:13 -0700, max.spicer wrote: > Manuel Rathmann wrote (in "New Buffalo Linkstation and Slimserver"): > > [..] my harddrive just went up in smoke - most probaply because I > left it running for too long due to my Squeezebox. > > This sort of thing scares me a lot. I reckon I'll have spent 36 hours > ripping all my music when I'm done, and there will be around 100GB of > data. How do you go about backing this sort of thing up? The only > really feasible thing I can think of is to buy a second hard disk and > use RAID 1 (mirrored pair of disks). After that, I just have to hope > that something doesn't happen that takes out the whole computer. Has > anyone else got any workable solutions? > > -- "The biggest problem encountered while trying to design a system that was completely foolproof, was, that people tended to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." (Douglas Adams) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
