Re: [slim] Re: How to use FLAC?

[Hiroyuki Hamada]

I have wireless SB2 and I use the optical out.  I just tried it again  
and the sound is sort of like certain frequency is going under water  
and gets sort of wavy...  I don't know if I'm describing it right.   
You might want to try all kind of music and see.  It's more apparent  
in certain music than the other.


Best,

Hiroyuki


On Oct 29, 2005, at 1:29 PM, indianajones wrote:



i hadn't responded yet because i wanted to listen for a week or so to
test it out. no, i don't hear any glitches or problems at all using  
the
method i described. playback is now 100% flawless using apple  
lossless.

i don't know what the problem you're having could be coming from. are
you wireless or wired? i have a wired sb1. i do  think i will be
getting sb3 shortly, so it will be interesting to see if there are any
problems again. as of right now though, i don't hear any glitching
after a week of critical listening on my setup...


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Re: [slim] Re: How to use FLAC?

[Hiroyuki Hamada]

Indianajones,

I was wondering if you get to detect the noise I was referring to...   
Let me know.  Maybe I missed your post...


Best,

Hiroyuki
On Oct 20, 2005, at 7:22 PM, Hiroyuki Hamada wrote:


Indianajones,

I just tried the remedy on my system and I hear very faint noise  
with the playback when I do what you said to do...  It's sort of  
like high frequency static noise.  If you don't hear it from your  
speakers, maybe you can hear with it with nice headphones.  Can you  
see if you hear anything like that.  It goes away as soon as I  
switch to Apple AAC to AIFF.


Hiroyuki,

Hiroyuki
On Oct 19, 2005, at 9:32 PM, indianajones wrote:




Hiroyuki Wrote:



Munge,

Currently there is a bug with the SB2 using the Apple lossless.  It
cuts off the beginning of each songs slightly.  Sometimes you will
notice that by listening to the beginning of the songs but that's
rare.  The most problematic thing with that is when you are  
listening


to a continuous live recording CDs or any continuous recordings, you
will notice the gap between songs.  It gives you slight clicking
sound between the songs.  I have a lot of Apple lossless files  
myself


and I'm hoping that the issue will be solved soon.

Best,

Hiroyuki
On Sep 19, 2005, at 8:58 AM, Munge wrote:












well, you are in luck my friend, as i have FINALLY figured out the
solution to our problem.

after about 6 months of effort and going back and forth with tech
support, i now have flawless apple lossless playback. the key is to
first go into the server options under file type. there you will see
the three apple lossless checkboxes, one for AIFF, one for FLAC  
and one

for MP3. the first two must be unchecked leaving just the apple->MP3
option checked.

next go to player settings and go to audio. the last option, bitrate
limit, should be set to no limit so the apple lossless files will be
streamed as uncompressed pcm. this has resulted in not having that
pause in the beginning of each song that has caused me to nearly go
crazy over the past 6 months. let me know if it works for you, it  
sure

did for me!!!


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Re: [slim] Re: How to use FLAC?

[Hiroyuki Hamada]

Indianajones,

I just tried the remedy on my system and I hear very faint noise with  
the playback when I do what you said to do...  It's sort of like high  
frequency static noise.  If you don't hear it from your speakers,  
maybe you can hear with it with nice headphones.  Can you see if you  
hear anything like that.  It goes away as soon as I switch to Apple  
AAC to AIFF.


Hiroyuki,

Hiroyuki
On Oct 19, 2005, at 9:32 PM, indianajones wrote:



Hiroyuki Wrote:


Munge,

Currently there is a bug with the SB2 using the Apple lossless.  It
cuts off the beginning of each songs slightly.  Sometimes you will
notice that by listening to the beginning of the songs but that's
rare.  The most problematic thing with that is when you are listening

to a continuous live recording CDs or any continuous recordings, you
will notice the gap between songs.  It gives you slight clicking
sound between the songs.  I have a lot of Apple lossless files myself

and I'm hoping that the issue will be solved soon.

Best,

Hiroyuki
On Sep 19, 2005, at 8:58 AM, Munge wrote:










well, you are in luck my friend, as i have FINALLY figured out the
solution to our problem.

after about 6 months of effort and going back and forth with tech
support, i now have flawless apple lossless playback. the key is to
first go into the server options under file type. there you will see
the three apple lossless checkboxes, one for AIFF, one for FLAC and  
one

for MP3. the first two must be unchecked leaving just the apple->MP3
option checked.

next go to player settings and go to audio. the last option, bitrate
limit, should be set to no limit so the apple lossless files will be
streamed as uncompressed pcm. this has resulted in not having that
pause in the beginning of each song that has caused me to nearly go
crazy over the past 6 months. let me know if it works for you, it sure
did for me!!!


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Re: [slim] Re: How to use FLAC?

[Hiroyuki Hamada]

indianajones,

YOU ARE A GOD!  I was starting to get pretty depressed about the  
problem.  I've been using AIFF because of the particular issue, and  
lately for unknown reason, it started to give big popping sound  
between the songs with AIFF (it seems to happen randomly...  ).  I  
will try the remedy tomorrow and let you know how it goes.  Thank you  
very much for reporting about it!


Best regards,

Hiroyuki
On Oct 19, 2005, at 9:32 PM, indianajones wrote:



Hiroyuki Wrote:


Munge,

Currently there is a bug with the SB2 using the Apple lossless.  It
cuts off the beginning of each songs slightly.  Sometimes you will
notice that by listening to the beginning of the songs but that's
rare.  The most problematic thing with that is when you are listening

to a continuous live recording CDs or any continuous recordings, you
will notice the gap between songs.  It gives you slight clicking
sound between the songs.  I have a lot of Apple lossless files myself

and I'm hoping that the issue will be solved soon.

Best,

Hiroyuki
On Sep 19, 2005, at 8:58 AM, Munge wrote:










well, you are in luck my friend, as i have FINALLY figured out the
solution to our problem.

after about 6 months of effort and going back and forth with tech
support, i now have flawless apple lossless playback. the key is to
first go into the server options under file type. there you will see
the three apple lossless checkboxes, one for AIFF, one for FLAC and  
one

for MP3. the first two must be unchecked leaving just the apple->MP3
option checked.

next go to player settings and go to audio. the last option, bitrate
limit, should be set to no limit so the apple lossless files will be
streamed as uncompressed pcm. this has resulted in not having that
pause in the beginning of each song that has caused me to nearly go
crazy over the past 6 months. let me know if it works for you, it sure
did for me!!!


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Re: [slim] Re: How to use FLAC?

[Jack Coates]

Josef Shvejk wrote:


agreed, but SlimCD on that machine may still be challenging (the
old IBM
laptops needed some black magic boot strings passed because of their
non-standard CD interfaces).

 
SlimCD boots fine on Thinkpad T22. I do not know about any older models.
Alternatively, you could pull out the hard drive from the laptop and 
hook it up to a desktop machine. Boot the desktop from SlimCd and run 
install to HD. It requires a bit of work, but then the laptop CD drive 
is not needed anymore.
 
Cheers,


I think the T line is after they switched to a normal ATAPI drive... any 
way, your hard drive trick is the way that I've successfully installed 
to laptops of the 240's vintage. A 40-44 pin adapter will be required, 
coupla bucks at the nearest RadioShack/Fry's equivalent.



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Re: [slim] Re: How to use FLAC?

[Pat Farrell]

On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 16:55 -0400, Bill Cutts wrote:
> You can also use a distributed version of this approach:
> www.accuraterip.com
> maintains a database of checksums generated from rips of CDs 
> that you can compare your rips against. You get a "confidence"
>  number that indicates how many submitted rips agree with yours. 
> Any match gives a pretty good indication that your rip is accurate.

This is a cool idea. Much easier than mine of getting three computers.

> EAC and dbPowerAmp are currently the only supported rippers.

But they only seem to support those rippers 
on Windows, which goes against my open source religion.
So I've asked their support forum about how to get
other rippers on the list.

It looks like doing validation of the checksums is possible,
but they are, justifiably, paranoid about bad implementations
polluting their data. This would be fine with me, as all I
really care about is that other people get the same results
as I do.


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Re: [slim] Re: How to use FLAC?

[Josef Shvejk]

agreed, but SlimCD on that machine may still be challenging (the old IBMlaptops needed some black magic boot strings passed because of their
non-standard CD interfaces).
 
SlimCD boots fine on Thinkpad T22. I do not know about any older models.
Alternatively, you could pull out the hard drive from the laptop and hook it up to a desktop machine. Boot the desktop from SlimCd and run install to HD. It requires a bit of work, but then the laptop CD drive is not needed anymore.

 
Cheers,
  
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Re: [slim] Re: How to use FLAC?

[Jack Coates]

Josef Shvejk wrote:

>I plan to use an old Thinkpad 240 (300 MHz, 128 MB RAM, W2K) for the 
server.
 
If this is a slimserver dedicated PC, then I would definitely 
recommend SlimCD instead of W2K.

Works much better with low specs. W2K is a dog with 128 MB of RAM.
.
http://www.herger.net/slim/detail.p...&kategorie=slim 


.
Hope this helps.



agreed, but SlimCD on that machine may still be challenging (the old IBM 
laptops needed some black magic boot strings passed because of their 
non-standard CD interfaces).


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Re: [slim] Re: How to use FLAC?

[Bill Cutts]

You can also use a distributed version of this approach:

www.accuraterip.com

maintains a database of checksums generated from rips of CDs that you can 
compare your rips against. You get a "confidence" number that indicates how 
many submitted rips agree with yours. Any match gives a pretty good indication 
that your rip is accurate.

EAC and dbPowerAmp are currently the only supported rippers. I tend to use 
dbPowerAmp for most of my rips because it's much faster than EAC on my system. 
If I don't get an accuraterip match I'll re-rip and see if I get the same 
checksum for another rip. If so, I assume it's a good rip. If I don't get a 
match after one or two retries then I fire up EAC and let it do its best to get 
a good rip off the CD.



> To really, really know that you have the correct bits,
> you would have to have at least three separate CDs, and separate
> computer/CD combos, then extract it three times and use
> a computer "voting" scheme to tell which is right. Sometimes
> three is not enough, so you can use five sets, etc. The
> Nasa Space Shuttles use redundant computers this way.
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Re: [slim] Re: How to use FLAC?

[Pat Farrell]

On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 12:37 -0700, Munge wrote:
> I've got a hifi CD player with which I am happy. It doesn't
> retry 28 times and then delivers the sound, it gives me great sound at
> once. What is so different with the PC CD drive? 

Red Book audio (normal audio CD specs) is quite different than CD-ROM
(computer data) specs. Nearly nothing in common.

The RedBook spec specifically says what a player is supposed to do
when it gets an error that it can't recover. This is after a lot
of clever encoding and error correction is done. The players
basically "improvise" when they can't recover. Which is what
normal CD reading programs do on computers as well.

Now, in reality, the hifi CD player market is tiny or smaller,
and the computer CD/DVD market is everything. So nearly all
transports used, even in mega dollar audiophile CD players
are computer drives.

Try a different PC. Or a different drive.
Or both. Or try a different OS in your computer.

EAC is advertised as being very anal about getting exactly
what is on you CD. You don't have to use it, there are
other tools, just not so anal. There are switches to tell EAC to lighten
up if you want.

To really, really know that you have the correct bits,
you would have to have at least three separate CDs, and separate
computer/CD combos, then extract it three times and use
a computer "voting" scheme to tell which is right. Sometimes
three is not enough, so you can use five sets, etc. The
Nasa Space Shuttles use redundant computers this way.


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Re: [slim] Re: How to use FLAC?

[Hiroyuki Hamada]

Munge,

I use Mac and naturally I use the iTunes.  I've never used EAC.  But  
my understanding is that the EAC (Exact Audio Copy!) can do better  
job of copying problematic CDs.  If I had a choice I'd go with EAC  
for that reason.  But, having said that I don't really notice  
anything wrong with iTunes ripped music... (there was one time when I  
tried to ripped a CD that had a crack and it just didn't do it  
right)  Also, I know that there are plenty of serious audiophiles out  
there using iTunes.


Do you see any physical damage on the particular CD you are trying to  
rip?  How does it do with the iTunes?


I'd like to hear firsthand accounts of using both iTunes/EAC.  Anybody?

Best,

Hiroyuki
On Sep 21, 2005, at 3:37 PM, Munge wrote:



Thanks for all good advice! I tried EAC with the seetings from
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=30959
The CD went back and forth for ages and then it said that there was an
error. No file created.
Look here, I've got a hifi CD player with which I am happy. It doesn't
retry 28 times and then delivers the sound, it gives me great sound at
once. What is so different with the PC CD drive? I never get any read
errors when I read a software CD. What's so special with ripping audio
CDs? I'm beginning to think that all this is mumbo jumbo. Please
explain why I need this EAC tool. Otherwise I will go for iTunes -->
WAV --> Flac Frontend --> Flac. At least it works and is easy to use.

Munge


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RE: [slim] Re: How to use FLAC?

[Simon @ Home]

> After a period of research and experimentation, I settled on 
> EAC (for ripping and tagging, including retrieving tag data 
> from freedb) and Mp3tag (for massaging/correcting tags and, 
> occasionally, file names).
> Notwithstanding the time spent learning some of the ins and 
> outs of EAC and configuring it (roughly like in the 
> hydrogenaudio forum link a couple of posts above in this 
> thread), the combination of these two pieces of software has 
> been meeting my needs well. I'd categorize EAC as technically 
> impressive, and Mp3tag as simply a pleasure from the first moment.

I'm just going to have to second this as, after lots of trying various
stuff, this is what I settled on and once set up it's just a breeze.

Although I'm not sure I like agreeing with a bloke called arse.

Simon Turner
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Re: [slim] Re: How to use FLAC?

[Josef Shvejk]

>I plan to use an old Thinkpad 240 (300 MHz, 128 MB RAM, W2K) for the server.
 
If this is a slimserver dedicated PC, then I would definitely recommend SlimCD instead of W2K.
Works much better with low specs. W2K is a dog with 128 MB of RAM.
.
http://www.herger.net/slim/detail.p...&kategorie=slim
.
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Re: [slim] Re: How to use FLAC?

[Josh Coalson]

--- Munge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the information. Let's forget about Apple lossless. My
> number
> one option is to use FLAC, but I don't know how I would do that.
> There
> must be a number of FLAC wrappers (?). I'm not planning to write my
> own
> application just to encode some FLAC files.

there are a lot of options listed on the FLAC site:

 http://flac.sourceforge.net/download.html
 http://flac.sourceforge.net/links.html#software

Josh


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Re: [slim] Re: How to use FLAC?

[Robin Bowes]

Munge wrote:

1. Are you using the Mac platform exclusively?
2. Do you have a lot of Apple lossless already?
3. Do you want to keep your Apple lossless?




1. No. PC only.
2. No
3. N/A

It's just that I find iTunes easy to use, and I haven't seen anything
else.


Ok, that makes your choice easy.

Use EAC and set it up to convert to flac directly.

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