Re: [slim] Neil Young at it again
d6jg wrote: > I can see the take up of FLAC streaming causing a reversal of the > loudness war to some extent as even the buds brigade now often opt for > high end ones. I seriously doubt it. The consumers you're talking about buy into high-end buds and hi-res streaming because they believe it's what they should do, but they wouldn't recognise good sound quality if it smacked them in the mouth. Indeed, they are now so used to hypercompressed trash that it's what they think good sound quality is. Even today's crop of young mastering engineers seem to have drunk the kool-aid. "Everything louder than everything else" is the new dogma. Until recently: Transporter -> ATC SCM100A, now sold :-( House move forced change to: piCorePlayer(RPi2/HiFiBerry DIGI2 Pro) -> Meridian 218 -> Meridian M6 cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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d6jg wrote: > Thats not down to Tidal though is it? Its the label releasing a poor > digital remastering and probably applies to the same ELP album streamed > from elsewhere. > I can see the take up of FLAC streaming causing a reversal of the > loudness war to some extent as even the buds brigade now often opt for > high end ones. Hopefully the labels will revert to more dynamic > mastering going forward. No it isn't a Tidal issue just the sad truth that the only versions available on any streaming service tend to be the latest ones. It is hard to tell if this version is a remix or a remaster but either way, changing the overall volume of a track halfway through seems a very odd decision to make. The only Genesis albums available seem to be the latest remixes and they get widely criticized as well. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Neil Young at it again
garym wrote: > that's more extreme than usual I think, but a great example. Thats not down to Tidal though is it? Its the label releasing a poor digital remastering and probably applies to the same ELP album streamed from elsewhere. I can see the take up of FLAC streaming causing a reversal of the loudness war to some extent as even the buds brigade now often opt for high end ones. Hopefully the labels will revert to more dynamic mastering going forward. Jim https://jukeradio.double6.net VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Radio *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Neil Young at it again
slartibartfast wrote: > As an example of being stuck with lousy sound on Tidal etc I just > listened to Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Brain Salad Surgery. The only > version available on Tidal is a 2014 remix which is probably worse than > a remaster. Levels are all over the place and the tubular bells in > Jerusalem are AWOL. > I ripped my original UK LP using Audacity and recorded the first track > "Jerusalem" from Tidal to compare the waveforms. On the LP the opening > of the song is very close to the same volume as the end of the song. On > the remaster from Tidal the end of the song is over 7 dBs louder than > the beginning! You need to dive for the volume control halfway through > the song [emoji1787] > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk that's more extreme than usual I think, but a great example. *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dBpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Neil Young at it again
garym wrote: > exactlyAs an example of being stuck with lousy sound on Tidal etc I just listened to Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Brain Salad Surgery. The only version available on Tidal is a 2014 remix which is probably worse than a remaster. Levels are all over the place and the tubular bells in Jerusalem are AWOL. I ripped my original UK LP using Audacity and recorded the first track "Jerusalem" from Tidal to compare the waveforms. On the LP the opening of the song is very close to the same volume as the end of the song. On the remaster from Tidal the end of the song is over 7 dBs louder than the beginning! You need to dive for the volume control halfway through the song [emoji1787] Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Neil Young at it again
mamema wrote: > https://www.worldcat.org/title/psychoacoustics-facts-and-models/oclc/184984467 I dare you to post that in the audiophile section :) "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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threej wrote: > Oh, well. Seems I fall in the "Or not..." category after NPR's blind > audio quality test > Bubble burst, but wiser. > > It's available here: https://tinyurl.com/mrnbvz4e https://www.worldcat.org/title/psychoacoustics-facts-and-models/oclc/184984467 mamema's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44662 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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kidstypike wrote: > *Pop Pop* is my favourite. great album! right up there with her album, "Court and Spark". I kid, I kid:p *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dBpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Neil Young at it again
garym wrote: > By the way, I love Rickie Lee Jone's debut album! *Pop Pop* is my favourite. *Server - LMS 8.3.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Argon one case/pCP 8.1.0 - 75K library, playlists & LMS cache on Sata SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi4/Pi screen/pCP 8.1.0 > HiFiBerry DAC HAT > Edifier *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 8.1.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > Topping E30 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Echo Show 8 *Garage* - Rpi4/pCP/AP mode > Touch > Edifier *Spares* - 1xTouch, 1xSB Radio. 1xSB3, 6xRPi, 1xDAC32, 1xCORE32 kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Neil Young at it again
kidstypike wrote: > Nice one! ;) By the way, I love Rickie Lee Jone's debut album! *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dBpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Neil Young at it again
garym wrote: > From Joe Rogan (says hes a Neil Young fan): So no hard feelings > towards Neil Young. And definitely no hard feelings towards Joni > Mitchell. I love her too. I love her music, Chuck E.s In Love is a > great song. > > Huh? Chuck Es in Love?? Maybe his favorite Neil song is "Horse With > No Name" :cool: Nice one! ;) *Server - LMS 8.3.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Argon one case/pCP 8.1.0 - 75K library, playlists & LMS cache on Sata SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi4/Pi screen/pCP 8.1.0 > HiFiBerry DAC HAT > Edifier *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 8.1.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > Topping E30 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Echo Show 8 *Garage* - Rpi4/pCP/AP mode > Touch > Edifier *Spares* - 1xTouch, 1xSB Radio. 1xSB3, 6xRPi, 1xDAC32, 1xCORE32 kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Neil Young at it again
>From Joe Rogan (says hes a Neil Young fan): So no hard feelings towards Neil Young. And definitely no hard feelings towards Joni Mitchell. I love her too. I love her music, Chuck E.s In Love is a great song. Huh? Chuck Es in Love?? Maybe his favorite Neil song is "Horse With No Name" :cool: *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dBpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Neil Young at it again
Julf wrote: > Or not... Oh, well. Seems I fall in the "Or not..." category after NPR's blind audio quality test Bubble burst, but wiser. It's available here: https://tinyurl.com/mrnbvz4e threej's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66492 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym wrote: > Yep, that's why I have about 9,000 albums, including most of Neil's and > Joni's. I love streaming for discovery, but anything I really like I > purchase either CD or a download file that I control. Same here. It means that you're not so tied to a Spotify 'library' or playlists. I just migrated from Spotify to Qobuz, most of my Spotify 'library' came ver as Favourites in Qobuz. Robert *Home: *Raspberry Pi 4/pCP7.0/LMS8.1.2/Material with files on QNAP TS-251A Touch > DacMagic 100 > Naim Audio Nait 3 > Mission 752 (plus Rega Planar 3 > Rega Fono Mini; Naim CD3) 2 x Squeezebox Radios, 1 X Squeezebox 3 (retired), 1 x SqueezeAMP *Office:* LMS8.0.0 running on Raspberry Pi3; Raspberry Pi 3 player with touchscreen/piCorePlayer/IQaudIO DAC and Amp *Portable:* Raspberry Pi 3B/pCP7.0.1/LMS8.1.2/Material, files on Seagate portable drive, powered via power brick Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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slartibartfast wrote: > Also when you buy the CD you can choose which mastering you buy rather > than be forced to listen to the latest and probably not greatest. exactly *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dBpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Neil Young at it again
garym wrote: > Yep, that's why I have about 9,000 albums, including most of Neil's and > Joni's. I love streaming for discovery, but anything I really like I > purchase either CD or a download file that I control.Also when you buy the CD > you can choose which mastering you buy rather than be forced to listen to the latest and probably not greatest. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Neil Young at it again
cliveb wrote: > Back to the original topic regarding Neil Young's reaction to Joe Regan. > > What's just happened is a good demonstration of why people shouldn't > rely on streaming services as their music source. Anyone who gets their > music from Spotify and likes to listen to Neil Young (and maybe Joni > Mitchell soon) is hosed. Unless you have the music in your possession, > there's no telling when it might just disappear. Yep, that's why I have about 9,000 albums, including most of Neil's and Joni's. I love streaming for discovery, but anything I really like I purchase either CD or a download file that I control. *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dBpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Neil Young at it again
Back to the original topic regarding Neil Young's reaction to Joe Regan. What's just happened is a good demonstration of why people shouldn't rely on streaming services as their music source. Anyone who gets their music from Spotify and likes to listen to Neil Young (and maybe Joni Mitchell soon) is hosed. Unless you have the music in your possession, there's no telling when it might just disappear. Until recently: Transporter -> ATC SCM100A, now sold :-( House move forced change to: piCorePlayer(RPi2/HiFiBerry DIGI2 Pro) -> Meridian 218 -> Meridian M6 cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Neil Young at it again
threej wrote: > Yes, and probably half of them are right ;-) Or not... "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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coyrls wrote: > Very complicated to set up and run in a home environment with no special > equipment. I agree with regard to tests of equipment (DACs, amps, etc.). Very easy with regard to comparing different file CODECs. Double blind a bit harder, but single blind is very easy. *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dBpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym wrote: > Exactly. The mind is a powerful instrument, thus the need for things > like double-blind tests.:cool: Very complicated to set up and run in a home environment with no special equipment. coyrls's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44253 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Julf wrote: > You do realize that is what pretty much everyone who hasn't done a > double-blind say? :) Yes, and probably half of them are right ;-) threej's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66492 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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scslite wrote: > Good riddance i say! Spotify is slowly losing market share to others > and this definitely won't help. Being an audiophile they have the worse > sound quality in my opinion. Moved to Tidal, then once Tidal changed > their service tiers, and since I could care less about MQA i've moved to > Qobuz. For now Qobuz hits the spot for me. Not he greatest UI and much > to improve with their algorithm but I had migrated all the > albums/playlists I've amassed for years from the other platforms so all > that work wasn't lost. Most importantly is it integrates with LMS > nicely even better than Tidal. > > Also, Spotify's announcement of their HiFi service over a year ago that > was to be released in 2022 and not a peep as the year goes by? Yup, > they could care less about a niche group of audiophiles out there.It's a > shame there is no plugin for Amazon Music to give us another cheaper lossless streaming service. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Neil Young at it again
Julf wrote: > You do realize that is what pretty much everyone who hasn't done a > double-blind say? :) Exactly. The mind is a powerful instrument, thus the need for things like double-blind tests.:cool: *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dBpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Neil Young at it again
Good riddance i say! Spotify is slowly losing market share to others and this definitely won't help. Being an audiophile they have the worse sound quality in my opinion. Moved to Tidal, then once Tidal changed their service tiers, and since I could care less about MQA i've moved to Qobuz. For now Qobuz hits the spot for me. Not he greatest UI and much to improve with their algorithm but I had migrated all the albums/playlists I've amassed for years from the other platforms so all that work wasn't lost. Most importantly is it integrates with LMS nicely even better than Tidal. Also, Spotify's announcement of their HiFi service over a year ago that was to be released in 2022 and not a peep as the year goes by? Yup, they could care less about a niche group of audiophiles out there. scslite's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=71427 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Julf wrote: > You do realize that is what pretty much everyone who hasn't done a > double-blind say? :) I was a little worried that you had lost your spark during your absence :confused: Hope all is well, keep safe groetjes ronnie:):p Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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threej wrote: > No, but the difference is evident. You do realize that is what pretty much everyone who hasn't done a double-blind say? :) "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Neil Young at it again
Julf wrote: > Double blind and level matched? No, but the difference is evident. I'm listening to songs I've heard hundreds of times on Spotify Premium. Is it possible I'm imagining an improvement? Maybe, but I very much doubt it. threej's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66492 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Julf wrote: > Double blind and level matched? Not only that, but you also have to be sure that you are listening to the same mastering/mix. Very often that is not the case and than you are comparing apples & oranges, or from another perspective: in that case you simply don't know what might be the reason for the songs to sound different. It can be anything. *Living Room:* RPI2+HifiBerry DAC+ Pro & piCorePlayer *Attic:* RPI2+HifiBerry DAC+ RCA & piCorePlayer *Other rooms:* 6x SB Radio *LMS*: Version 8.2.0 on Xubuntu 21.10 zordaz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=61726 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Neil Young at it again
The number of times I use Spotify I am tempted to just cancel and not bother finding a replacement streaming service. I could buy the albums I listen to on Spotify and make do with YouTube. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Neil Young at it again
I have pretty much switched to Qobuz now. I cancelled my Spotify Premium subscription (current sub expires 22.2.22 I believe), that took 4 confirmations that is what I wanted to do! Apparently fully deleting your details involves what looks like an unsatisfying conversation with a ChatBot. Removing the Spotify app for devices one by one. Here's an' interesting table of payments by stream' (https://soundguys.com/qobuz-review-50100/#howitsupportsartists) comparing most of the streaming services. Robert *Home: *Raspberry Pi 4/pCP7.0/LMS8.1.2/Material with files on QNAP TS-251A Touch > DacMagic 100 > Naim Audio Nait 3 > Mission 752 (plus Rega Planar 3 > Rega Fono Mini; Naim CD3) 2 x Squeezebox Radios, 1 X Squeezebox 3 (retired), 1 x SqueezeAMP *Office:* LMS8.0.0 running on Raspberry Pi3; Raspberry Pi 3 player with touchscreen/piCorePlayer/IQaudIO DAC and Amp *Portable:* Raspberry Pi 3B/pCP7.0.1/LMS8.1.2/Material, files on Seagate portable drive, powered via power brick Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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threej wrote: > I'd thought Spotify quality was pretty good, but I hear greater space > and detail in the same songs I'd been listening to via Spotty plugin in > LMS. Double blind and level matched? "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Joni Mitchell has also requested that her songs are removed from Spotify. I have a couple of her albums in my library "Clouds" and "Ladies of the Canyon". I notice those two albums and probably more are not listed in her Spotify discography but can be found by a search. They also only contain three or four playable tracks with the rest greyed out. I am fairly certain all the tracks were available previously so presuming that Spotify have not yet taken any action to remove her albums what is going on? Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Neil Young at it again
It's ear-opening listening to Qobuz and Tidal through a stereo pair of original Apple Homepods (Airplay Bridge) and a Velodyne subwoofer (Airport Express + Airplay Bridge). Haven't tried my Duet feeding ADS M15s via Tandberg pre and power amps yet. Spotify quality was pretty good, but listening to these services, it seems there's much greater space and detail to be heard in the same music I'd been listening to via the Spotty plugin in LMS. I've a month to decide between Qobuz and Tidal. It's a close call, after a single afternoon's listening, in reproduction quality. Either is a distinguishable improvement to these ears. threej's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66492 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym wrote: > there is a Deezer app in App Gallery in mysqueezebox.com. I suspect it > has to be installed along with the Deezer plugin I see in LMS. I've > never used it. OK! Thanks! "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Julf wrote: > Ah, thanks! I guess I have to go through mysqueezebox.com to install it? there is a Deezer app in App Gallery in mysqueezebox.com. I suspect it has to be installed along with the Deezer plugin I see in LMS. I've never used it. *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dBpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym wrote: > seems to be a Deezer plugin. See: > https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104738-Deezer-Plugin/page16&highlight=deezer Ah, thanks! I guess I have to go through mysqueezebox.com to install it? "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Julf wrote: > I guess there is nothing for Deezer LMS integration...? seems to be a Deezer plugin. See: https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104738-Deezer-Plugin/page16&highlight=deezer *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dBpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Neil Young at it again
I guess there is nothing for Deezer LMS integration...? "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Neil Young at it again
I didn't realize so many people were taking medical advice from Joe Rogan? And Neil hasn't released anything worth listening to since Trans. I'm not cancelling Spotify over it. I couldn't even if I wanted to since I'm freeloading on my brother's family account. sodface's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19057 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym wrote: > Tidal or Quobuz Trying Qobuz now thx threej's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66492 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Tom Sea wrote: > According to this article, the alternative is Apple > > https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/im-ditching-spotify-for-apple-music-and-its-not-because-of-joe-rogan > > He writes it is because he wants music, not podcasts.He doesn't care about > integration with LMS though. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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According to this article, the alternative is Apple https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/im-ditching-spotify-for-apple-music-and-its-not-because-of-joe-rogan He writes it is because he wants music, not podcasts. 1x Squeezebox Classic(3), 4x Squeezebox Duet, 3x Squeezebox Controller, 1x Squeezebox Boom, 3x Squeezebox Touch, 5x Squeezebox Radio, 1-1/2 Transporters, Logitech Media Server Version: 8.2.0, Synology NAS DS920+ Docker Tom Sea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=72196 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I do admire the very British humor of James Blunt - he threatens to release new music if Spotify doesnt remove Joe Rogans podcast. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Joni Mitchell joins Neil Young in removing music from Spotify. No Spotify for me. https://nypost.com/2022/01/29/joni-mitchell-removing-her-music-from-spotify-i-stand-with-neil-young/ Main system - Rock Solid with LMS 8.2.0 on WHS 2011 - 2 Duets and Squeeseslave Cabin system - Rock solid with LMS 8.2.0 on Win10 Pro - 1 RPi 3 Model B/Hifiberry DAC+ Pro/PiCorePlayer and Squeezeslave Squeezebox Boom - "At Large" player around both home and cabin Headphones and car - Android phone/Bluetooth w/full library on MicroSD card - PowerAmp music player app (similar to Material Skin) w3wilkes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Wondering what the best alternative to Spotify Premium is that will work with LMS and is equal or better in reproduction quality. Any suggestions? threej's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66492 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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threej wrote: > Wondering what the best alternative to Spotify Premium is that will work > with LMS and is equal or better in reproduction quality. Any > suggestions? Tidal or Quobuz *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dBpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Neil Young at it again
Earlier today I was looking at a thread where people were remembering their past where they themselves fell for some of the audio magic. Like green markers on CDs and even a Linn turntable if I remember correctly. It is like the joke about St. Patrick returning late to heaven. St. Peter confronts him to which St. Patrick says "Peter, Cockle-doodle-doo." We should assume Neil was misinformed. We have all been there and at least did not put everyone's health at risk. 1x Squeezebox Classic(3), 4x Squeezebox Duet, 3x Squeezebox Controller, 1x Squeezebox Boom, 3x Squeezebox Touch, 5x Squeezebox Radio, 1-1/2 Transporters, Logitech Media Server Version: 8.2.0, Synology NAS DS920+ Docker Tom Sea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=72196 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Neil Young at it again
Apesbrain wrote: > I agree, but the irony is that old Neil himself has in the past been > just as guilty of spreading scientific misinformation. The difference, > I guess, is that his "you only get 5%" myth didn't carry life or death > implications (except to those poor MP3 tracks.) I almost spit out my beer. :p You're correct. I love Neil, have read his books (and love the biography, Shakey), bought most of his music, subscribe to his web archive, etc. But I always complained to my also big Neil fan friend that Neil was way off the mark on his explanation of "lossy" music. But Neil has me buying 24/192 versions of downloads from his site. (I'd prefer a 16/44.1 version, but its simply not available.) Oh well. Gotta love Neil. p.s. the "making of Barn" video, which recently was available free on YouTube is really nice. Old friends making music in a cool place. *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dBpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Neil Young at it again
d6jg wrote: > Good for him I say I agree, but the irony is that old Neil himself has in the past been just as guilty of spreading scientific misinformation. The difference, I guess, is that his "you only get 5%" myth didn't carry life or death implications (except to those poor MP3 tracks.) Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115844 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
