Re: [slim] Your members are VERY positive but...
My specific issues at the time weren't really the point. Anyway FWIW, changing my Slimp3 config from a manually selected Squeezebox server to a full automatically selected server + DHCP fixed the drop out issue. I guess sometimes a reset works wonders, that probably goes for me too. -- BodgeIT Whether you think you can or you think you can't, either way you are right! *SS*(7.5.2 - r29251) on *WHS SP2*(VMWare 1.8 Device(No Sound Card)) *Slimp3*(FW 2.3), *Receiver*(FW 65) & *Controller*(7.5.1 r8885), xAP Enabled. BodgeIT's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17100 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82355 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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BodgeIT;580261 Wrote: > er...already wired...NO wifi. > Again, not listening. If you're running that kind of high-spec'ed machine, and there are many many guys here on this board running SBS on a 600mhz / 128mb NAS device without suffering from the problems you describe, then who is deaf for other people's experiences? As said above many times, have a look at what is causing the problems on your network. -- hvb83 SB Receiver, Marantz SR5004, Harman Kardon HKTS11 SB Radio SB Server 7.5.1 running on a Synology DS210+ NAS iPhone running iPeng 1.2.5 and iPad running SqueezePad hvb83's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39615 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82355 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Your members are VERY positive but...
The LAME quality level only comes into play if you are playing non-MP3 files and have bit rate limiting set to something other than "No Limit". If your files are MP3 in the first place, LAME is not involved. If you are getting interruptions (dropouts, rebuffering, sync failures) in playback on a WIRED network, the two most likely causes are: 1)something attached to the network is using too much bandwidth or is faulty or is incorrectly configured (IP settings) 2)the server machine is being distracted from its task by some other process on the same machine. The way I would try and diagnose this is: 1) Check that the MAC address of all of your players actually matches the label stuck to them - if not, correct that 2) physically disconnect everything from your router except 1 player and the machine running SBS - see if problem goes away. 3) If one player is OK, gradually reconnect players and test each time that the player can be added to the sync group and sync playback is OK 4) if you have problems with only 1 player on the network, the focus should turn to the server machine - some logging will be required at this point -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82355 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Aslak3;580249 Wrote: > I'd start by removing the wireless aspect from the equation and making > em all wired. I use a 5 year old Belkin "g" AP. er...already wired...NO wifi. Aslak3;580249 Wrote: > The mistake is to think that because *your* having issues that the > entire product line up is somehow useless to everyone. Again, not listening. -- BodgeIT Whether you think you can or you think you can't, either way you are right! *SS*(7.5.2 - r29251) on *WHS SP2*(VMWare 1.8 Device(No Sound Card)) *Slimp3*(FW 2.3), *Receiver*(FW 65) & *Controller*(7.5.1 r8885), xAP Enabled. BodgeIT's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17100 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82355 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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BodgeIT;580172 Wrote: > maybe what you need is some straight talking. > Secondly can you get 2 devices to sync? It appears not. > Well, Boom (wireless), Radio (wireless) and SB2 (wired) can all sync when playing anything via a local SBS. I'd start by removing the wireless aspect from the equation and making em all wired. I use a 5 year old Belkin "g" AP. The mistake is to think that because *your* having issues that the entire product line up is somehow useless to everyone. -- Aslak3 (SB 2, SB Boom, SB Radio) Aslak3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31977 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82355 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Your members are VERY positive but...
I think it is a command line only option when running slimserver.pl so check whatever scripts is used to launch to start SBS or possibly look at output of a ps command - something like ps -af | grep slimserver Have you tried enabling the sync logging options - this can gives info about adjustments to the sync settings which improve syncing. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82355 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Hi BPA, I don't think that option is enabled. How would I tell? -- BodgeIT Whether you think you can or you think you can't, either way you are right! *SS*(7.5.2 - r29251) on *WHS SP2*(VMWare 1.8 Device(No Sound Card)) *Slimp3*(FW 2.3), *Receiver*(FW 65) & *Controller*(7.5.1 r8885), xAP Enabled. BodgeIT's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17100 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82355 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Unfortunately I think sync with an SliMP3 changed in 7.x and while syncing improved for the SB2 and newer devices, it is a bit more "delicate" with the SliMP3 and SB1 devices. Is it possible you have enabled the "nosb1slimp3sync" option ? -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82355 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Your members are VERY positive but...
Maybe I need to go back to 7.5.1 I do have the perception of it being better/more stable. -- BodgeIT Whether you think you can or you think you can't, either way you are right! *SS*(7.5.2 - r29251) on *WHS SP2*(VMWare 1.8 Device(No Sound Card)) *Slimp3*(FW 2.3), *Receiver*(FW 65) & *Controller*(7.5.1 r8885), xAP Enabled. BodgeIT's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17100 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82355 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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BodgeIT;580172 Wrote: > maybe what you need is some straight talking. > > Your product is getting worse not better.. Logitech has certainly had their missteps. But I do successfully Sync four different SB players without a hiccup. Three are WiFi, one is wired. SBS 7.5.1 on a basic Dell laptop. Heck, I can Sync full WAV's to all four players on a lowly a wireless-G 10/100 router, no gigabit here. Why your players won't Sync? No idea. :( -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82355 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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eganders;580197 Wrote:
> ...SONOS is continuously No1 LOL
>
> There are people, possibly such as yourself, for whom Sonos might be a
> better match. Power to them. Sonos products are less complex and less
> capable, easier to setup and simpler to configure. They have a smaller
> feature set, are less expandable and less configurable. Sonos is
> proprietary and locks you in to their system. The Sonos "system" is
> notably more expensive (than SB).
>
Let's be honest, we all love the Squeezebox products and they were
number one earlier but are they really any more ?
If I would have bought my first Squeezebox today I'm not sure I would
have been as happy as I currently am. The reason I'm happy is because I
got my first Squeezebox over 4 years ago when Slim Devices was
controlling its success. It was rock solid, it had great audio quality
and it just worked. Sure, people also had network problems back then
but as long as you had a stable network and a stable server it really
just worked.
Sonos is a small company focused at making their products the best
music players out there, they obviously know that people want things
that just works. I wish I could say the same about Logitech but
honestly I can't at the moment, they really doesn't put enough focus on
getting their Squeezebox products reach their full potential. The
Squeezebox products definitely have the potential to be number one, but
it requires some effort by Logitech to get there.
Let's face it, most people really like things that just works, on
longer terms most people are also prepared to pay for this.
--
erland
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eganders;580197 Wrote: > There are people, possibly such as yourself, for whom Sonos might be a > better match. Power to them. Sonos products are less complex and less > capable, easier to setup and simpler to configure. They have a smaller > feature set, are less expandable and less configurable. Sonos is > proprietary and locks you in to their system. The Sonos "system" is > notably more expensive (than SB). Again...you're not listening. My point about Sonos is just that in the fundamentals, it works... I've been using Slimp3 + Squeezebox and then Duo for years...I'm aware of it's capability and limitations. What you're not reading between my lines is that I am committed to SB and have been from the beginning. I just don't FEEL it's potential is being fulfilled. -- BodgeIT Whether you think you can or you think you can't, either way you are right! *SS*(7.5.2 - r29251) on *WHS SP2*(VMWare 1.8 Device(No Sound Card)) *Slimp3*(FW 2.3), *Receiver*(FW 65) & *Controller*(7.5.1 r8885), xAP Enabled. BodgeIT's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17100 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82355 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I get that Erland, thank you. **off to rant somewhere else** -- BodgeIT Whether you think you can or you think you can't, either way you are right! *SS*(7.5.2 - r29251) on *WHS SP2*(VMWare 1.8 Device(No Sound Card)) *Slimp3*(FW 2.3), *Receiver*(FW 65) & *Controller*(7.5.1 r8885), xAP Enabled. BodgeIT's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17100 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82355 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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BodgeIT;580172 Wrote: > maybe what you need is some straight talking > > ...Do you know why SONOS is continuously No1...because their stuff JUST > WORKS. Yours doesn't > > Anyway rant over. Choose to listen or don't I don't care anymore. ...SONOS is continuously No1 LOL There are people, possibly such as yourself, for whom Sonos might be a better match. Power to them. Sonos products are less complex and less capable, easier to setup and simpler to configure. They have a smaller feature set, are less expandable and less configurable. Sonos is proprietary and locks you in to their system. The Sonos "system" is notably more expensive (than SB). So go for it. Or, possibly, ask for a little help. -- eganders eganders's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82355 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Your members are VERY positive but...
BodgeIT;580191 Wrote:
> I wasn't even talking to you! I'm talking directly to Logitech.
> I know this is a user forum but Logitech do listen in...at least I
> would hope they do!
> And who said anything about blame you...only the guilty hear blame.
>
If you like to tell Logitech, you should post at:
http://forums.logitech.com
Or call the official support phone.
Logitech support staff only reads the above forum, this forum is only
used by community members who unfortunately can't fix problems in the
Logitech software.
There are a few Logitech developers that are still available on these
forums but they mostly reads the beta and developer related sections.
We all feel your frustration and sometimes feels the same way, it's
just that we would love you to tell it to Logitech directly instead of
us because we already know about most of these problems.
--
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snarlydwarf;580194 Wrote: > How witty. How is this: Insane people talk to the walls while believing > they are talking directly to God. Are you comparing Logitech with God? -- BodgeIT Whether you think you can or you think you can't, either way you are right! *SS*(7.5.2 - r29251) on *WHS SP2*(VMWare 1.8 Device(No Sound Card)) *Slimp3*(FW 2.3), *Receiver*(FW 65) & *Controller*(7.5.1 r8885), xAP Enabled. BodgeIT's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17100 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82355 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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BodgeIT;580191 Wrote: > I wasn't even talking to you! I'm talking directly to Logitech. And as I said, you're at the wrong place. This is NOT a logitech support channel. Ranting at people here is NOT "talking directly to Logitech". > > And who said anything about blame...only the guilty hear blame. How witty. How is this: Insane people talk to the walls while believing they are talking directly to God. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82355 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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snarlydwarf;580181 Wrote: > You may as well go to a local car club and rant about how GM and the > unions are destroying the world. You'd get much more useful responses > if you actually explained your problem and asked your peers for help > instead of blaming people who have nothing to do with your problems. I wasn't even talking to you! I'm talking directly to Logitech. And who said anything about blame...only the guilty hear blame. -- BodgeIT Whether you think you can or you think you can't, either way you are right! *SS*(7.5.2 - r29251) on *WHS SP2*(VMWare 1.8 Device(No Sound Card)) *Slimp3*(FW 2.3), *Receiver*(FW 65) & *Controller*(7.5.1 r8885), xAP Enabled. BodgeIT's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17100 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82355 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Updated original post. -- BodgeIT Whether you think you can or you think you can't, either way you are right! *SS*(7.4.2 - r29251) on *WHS SP2*(VMWare 1.8 Device(No Sound Card)) *Slimp3*(FW 2.3), *Receiver*(FW 65) & *Controller*(7.5.1 r8885),xAP Enabled. BodgeIT's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17100 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82355 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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BodgeIT;580172 Wrote: > maybe what you need is some straight talking. > > Your product is getting worse not better. > > I've been using squeezebox since 6.5, and not as long as some but now > on version 7.2 I can't even expect this product to play my music, over > ethernet, from a dell xeon powered server without it dropping off. I > have gigabit network and none of my squeeze devices are using wifi, I > don't have a lot of addons added. I have quality set to 6. > > Secondly can you get 2 devices to sync? It appears not. > > I feel I've been pretty patient for the last 3 years or so but now I'm > just a dissapointed user. > > WHAT ARE YOU DOING? > > Do you know why SONOS is continuously No1...because their stuff JUST > WORKS. Yours doesn't. > > Anyway rant over. Choose to listen or don't I don't care anymore. Your signature says a lot about what weight your words have: You are using ancient hardware running on ancient software. Who are you to say anything about the future state of the productline, or even the present? -- Muele BR Mogens 2 Radios (1 battery), 2 Controllers, 2 Receivers, 1 Squeezeplay. Served by an old 800 mhz IBM T21 Thinkpad (Yes I know most phones have more cpu-power these days, but it gets the job done). Muele's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21310 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82355 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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BodgeIT;580172 Wrote: > maybe what you need is some straight talking. > > Your product is getting worse not better. > > I've been using squeezebox since 6.5, and not as long as some but now > on version 7.2 > > So you're on an ancient version of SBS, yet predicting trends on where it is going? > > I can't even expect this product to play my music, over ethernet, from > a dell xeon powered server without it dropping off. I have gigabit > network and none of my squeeze devices are using wifi, I don't have a > lot of addons added. I have quality set to 6. > Quality? Are you transcoding for some reason? Have you tried it with those plugins turned off? Quantity of plugins means less than quality. Have you bothered to look at the logs to see what is happening? > > Secondly can you get 2 devices to sync? It appears not. > I can.. I do it all the time... > > I feel I've been pretty patient for the last 3 years or so but now I'm > just a dissapointed user. > Perhaps you should state your problems in a coherent manner instead of a rant. Perhaps you should true current code... 7.2 is almost 2 years old. > > WHAT ARE YOU DOING? > Replying to a troll because I am bored. > > Do you know why SONOS is continuously No1...because their stuff JUST > WORKS. Yours doesn't. > > Anyway rant over. Choose to listen or don't I don't care anymore. Nor do I. You do realize this is a community board, Not An Official Logitech Support Channel, right? You may as well go to a local car club and rant about how GM and the unions are destroying the world. You'd get much more useful responses if you actually explained your problem and asked your peers for help instead of blaming people who have nothing to do with your problems. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82355 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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BodgeIT;580172 Wrote: > maybe what you need is some straight talking. > > Your product is getting worse not better. > > I've been using squeezebox since 6.5, and not as long as some but now > on version 7.2 I can't even expect this product to play my music, over > ethernet, from a dell xeon powered server without it dropping off. I > have gigabit network and none of my squeeze devices are using wifi, I > don't have a lot of addons added. I have quality set to 6. > > Secondly can you get 2 devices to sync? It appears not. > > I feel I've been pretty patient for the last 3 years or so but now I'm > just a dissapointed user. > > WHAT ARE YOU DOING? > > Do you know why SONOS is continuously No1...because their stuff JUST > WORKS. Yours doesn't. > > Anyway rant over. Choose to listen or don't I don't care anymore. Thanks for sharing his. Unfortunately you have posted it to the wrong forum. It should have been posted here: http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Wireless-Music-Systems-READ-ONLY/bd-p/WMS_General If you'd like some help with your problems, please tell us more about your setup and what exactly your symptoms are, post some server.log extracts and so on. No idea why you are still on 7.2 (which is now ancient). Most people here do not have your sync problems. I have no idea what "quality set to 6" means... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82355 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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BodgeIT;580172 Wrote: > I have quality set to 6. You have the quality of what set to 6 ? -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82355 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
