Re: [slim] the new Squeezebox products are good (because servers and linux are burnt toast)
mpower9 wrote: One of the things I like about the squeezebox gadgets is that they are so flexible. I'm just a little old lady, but just reading these forums it is clear that some people (like me) just use them relatively straight out of the box without much fiddling around and others enjoy hacking around with the software (and the hardware) to make them jump through hoops and do things that no one ever thought of. It's a great community. We don't always get answers to all our problems, but that may be because people don't really know the answer. In general people here seem to be very generous with their time and advice. Your comments have really captured the complete essence of the SqueezeBox experience (and this forum). Well said! garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96352 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] the new Squeezebox products are good (because servers and linux are burnt toast)
http://www.newit.co.uk/forum/index.php NewIT sell the Sheevaplug in the UK. Their forums have a lot of good info on them, including Sheevaplug for Beginners, within which there are threads relating to installing LMS onto the Sheeva. There are also threads on copying SD cards etc. etc. so that you have a backup should an elephant fall on your Sheeva, or perhaps less likely, should your Sheeva PSU fail or whatever. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?90931-SqueezePlug-Media-Server-4-0-(final-Release) Thomas, nick truehl on these forums, has put a major and very useful effort into automating the installation of LMS on the Sheeva. All in all, over approx the past 3 years, I've found the Sheeva to be a wonderful piece of kit, and a mighty server for LMS. Live long and prosper o mighty Squeezebox and offshoots, kesey kesey's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10786 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96352 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] the new Squeezebox products are good (because servers and linux are burnt toast)
mortslim wrote: If a supposed linux expert has bad spelling in his explanations, how can I trust that his coding is reliable, where every little character, punctuation mark and space have meaning? Programming is a very exact disciplin, bad spelling will not compile. Just because english is not someones native language doesn't mean that they're stupid or don't know how to write reliable code. You're frustrated, but you picked a weekendproject in an OS you don't have any experience with and where install and setup is clearly not just double clicking on an icon. This is exactly why I stayed away from this and still run LMS on a windows system. Letten's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16718 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96352 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] the new Squeezebox products are good (because servers and linux are burnt toast)
Letten wrote: You're frustrated, but you picked a weekendproject in an OS you don't have any experience with and where install and setup is clearly not just double clicking on an icon. This is exactly why I stayed away from this and still run LMS on a windows system. Excellent point. I've been a home-schooled computer geek since 1980 and run both MS Windows and Linux computers at home. I can safely say I've had more issues over the years keeping Windows up and running than Linux. Both have had considerable learning curves. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96352 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] the new Squeezebox products are good (because servers and linux are burnt toast)
mortslim wrote: I finally decided to try a low power squeezebox server. I purchased a SheevaPlug. I have never used linux before. I guess it's a little late to wish you good luck with that. I'm just a looky-loo and a gawker. I've owned a SheevaPlug for a while, and knew the answer to some of your questions, but chose not to respond. There's an old joke about a man lost in the countryside. When asked for directions to wherever, the yokel replies well, you don't want to be starting from here. Sorry you had such a bad experience. pallfreeman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37667 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96352 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] the new Squeezebox products are good (because servers and linux are burnt toast)
mherger wrote: Then there's your router, your TV set, your music service's backend. It does seem a little strange to be ranting about how bad some software is, and instead recommending a product based on the same software... Mother used to wake the family with the sound of burnt toast being scraped. Never did me any harm. pallfreeman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37667 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96352 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] the new Squeezebox products are good (because servers and linux are burnt toast)
You could have saved yourself a lot of hassle and frustration if you'd bought a Raspeberry Pi and installed truehl's Squeezeplug for RPi! Did you check out his images for Sheevaplugs? You're correct about the majority of people not having much knowledge of the geekiness of modern technology - why should they? People buy and use products which work out-of-box with little configuration and setup. In this, you're right about Logi mocing towards a more user-friendly model. castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96352 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] the new Squeezebox products are good (because servers and linux are burnt toast)
Marvell and Globalscale have done a crappy job of supporting their products and developing a community around them. It's a mistake to judge the Linux community as a whole based on this example. Mark Miksis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=529 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96352 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] the new Squeezebox products are good (because servers and linux are burnt toast)
Of these things - Have time, have curiousity about the device, have knowledge, don't have money, I think at least three of the four need to apply before it makes sense to try one of these plug units. Otherwise, why bother? You can easily find cheap nettops with Windows that'll run all month for less than the price of a beer, depending on your electricity rates. For some, it's less than the price of a coffee. How much cheaper than that does it need to be? mortslim, you've been a longtime devotee of the streaming music services. Most people share your view, while a smaller group thinks of them as nothing more than today's version of Muzak. To the second group, these sites provide low quality background music, hopefully inoffensively, not suitable for serious listening. I'm in that second group, and I'll always continue to buy CDs to add to the collection I listen to daily. I think one of the problems with SB's business model was that the system seems to have been originally designed for people like me, but there are far many people like you. The linux thing is peripheral, you obviously can use the products with any OS you want. But the world wants plug and play, that's where the market opportunity is. Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96352 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] the new Squeezebox products are good (because servers and linux are burnt toast)
Funny subject. As the Squeezebox is only one of the many Linux computers in your life. Then there's your router, your TV set, your music service's backend, your... -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] the new Squeezebox products are good (because servers and linux are burnt toast)
Goodsounds wrote: Of these things - Have time, have curiousity about the device, have knowledge, don't have money, I think at least three of the four need to apply before it makes sense to try one of these plug units. Otherwise, why bother? Very well said. And that's speaking as someone who spends most of his working time in a Windows environment, but prefers Linux for things like running LMS, and doesn't mind spending some time hacking around to get things running on unorthodox hardware. Goodsounds wrote: You can easily find cheap nettops with Windows that'll run all month for less than the price of a beer, depending on your electricity rates. And depending on your taste in beer! Mine costs much more than my electricity. mherger wrote: Funny subject. As the Squeezebox is only one of the many Linux computers in your life. Then there's your router, your TV set, your music service's backend, your... ...your last server you connected to on the internet, the next server you'll connect to on the internet, etc. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96352 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] the new Squeezebox products are good (because servers and linux are burnt toast)
There are many easy to use options to install an LMS server. The plug computer or the unsupported NAS experience (or other choice of bizarre hardware ) are hardly the typical LMS server experience . Usually folks clicks the windows installer and be happy or use a NAS with a supported LMS package and install that in a user friendly way provided by the NAS vendor . These small plug computers and many NAS boxes are not normal in any Linux sense either, On a Linux desktop environment it would be just as easy or easier than windows to get LMS installed . One enthusiast on this forum managed to install SBS on a router ? that was not normal :) There are many ways to get things very complex ,but to blame the squeezebox for that, weird . So some enthusiast solutions to servers are *really* geeky but thats a part of their appeal and are usually the choice of people that know such stuff or are in for a challenge to learn it. But it is not the normal experience . I chose an intermediate way using a HP-microserver that can run a fully supported Linux distro thats not specially hacked for the device . And i installed via yum or rpm it was dead easy to install , the geeky stuff is that it is command line only except for the web-UI's . The only snag i had was a missing perl module . Bizarre reasoning ? just because there are geek options you don't have to use them and they don't make the product itself more geeky or hard to use . Many products do not have any geek options at all are they better ? OT Perl modules ? why the error message thats you must use an elaborate build script and compile your own ,when you in fact can just install them on most distros using yum rpm cpan whatever . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96352 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] the new Squeezebox products are good (because servers and linux are burnt toast)
Mnyb has a point. Amost all of the early problems with my SBs were network related. My supposedly simple to use iThingies were similarly affected. Once I got those issues resolved, it has been smooth sailing. I can't say the same for the three wireless printers I've tried, and the Dell laptop that can't stay connected to my network. The hard to use label I think is overstated, and largely is the result of a user base that wants to stretch the boundaries of what the system can do...precisely because it is so flexible. GeeJay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96352 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] the new Squeezebox products are good (because servers and linux are burnt toast)
One of the things I like about the squeezebox gadgets is that they are so flexible. I'm just a little old lady, but just reading these forums it is clear that some people (like me) just use them relatively straight out of the box without much fiddling around and others enjoy hacking around with the software (and the hardware) to make them jump through hoops and do things that no one ever thought of. It's a great community. We don't always get answers to all our problems, but that may be because people don't really know the answer. In general people here seem to be very generous with their time and advice. mpower9's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33930 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96352 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
