Re: [discuss] T-Shirts to generate donations
Peter Kupfer wrote: Matthew J Tompkins wrote: I'd really suggest that you sell 'Open Office' t-shirts as a way for you to generate donations. So add like an extra $10 or $20 onto the back of the price of the t-shirt. This has two benefits ... 1. People are more willing to donate money as they get a little something back in return - as well as supporting a great software product. 2. People wear the t-shirts and your software product gets advertisement ... for free OOo T-Shirts can be purchased. http://www.cafepress.com/getopenoffice/196816 I don't know about proceeds, I think they are a for profit group. those are sold by Solveig Haugland (http://www.getopenoffice.org/) for fun i toyed myself with this idea (http://www.cafepress.com/nicuooo) a couple of months ago, but never sold anything (nor tried to promote it in order to sold something). adding $10 or $20 would practically double the price, being, IMO, quite a rip-off. see also for reference: http://www.mozillastore.com/ -- nicu my OpenOffice.org pages: http://ooo.nicubunu.ro - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Re: Giving text a structure - word processor tools
Morgan Ohlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is there, by the way any good OO hint or creativity sajts on the web? Yo know, have you tried this ideas Not that I know of, though I have from time to time put ideas in my blog. Otherwise, there are a number of good books which may have useful tips. I have an early versio of Jean Hollis Weber's book; people also speak well of Solveig Haugland's. -- Andrew Brown The email in the header does not work. Contact details and possibly useful macros from http://www.darwinwars.com/lunatic/bugs/oo_macros.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] OO startup time
Ralph Aichinger wrote: On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 18:24 -0600, Peter Kupfer wrote: You don't have to use Java to run OOo. Technically you don't. In practice you won't get around it for 2.0. Even Debian (who ripped out all Java-related parts in 1.1) tries to port some parts to a free (in the Debian sense) Java runtime AFAIK, as lots of stuff depends on Java nowadays. If you don't have Java, you don't have Macros If you don't have Java, you don't have some Export/Import filters. If you don't have Java, most Wizards are missing. If you don't have Java, you will get severely misleading error messages: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=41511 http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=37020 (If somebody with the permissions would reopen the latter issue, I would be grateful, otherwise I will file a new one, as I *do* think this is bad wording, that misleads users into thinking their program has crashed. Nobody expects a error message to repeat 15 times with the same text!). /ralph Robert Derman replies: Since Sun owns Java, and since they give away a Java runtime as a free download, and they are the primary sponser of OOo, why don't they simply imbed a Java runtime in the OOo 2.0 install code that searches for an existing copy of Java runtime, and if none is found, automatically installs one? As I have said, since they give this away anyway, I don't see a problem.
Re: [discuss] OO startup time
Ok this is something that I have been questioning myself. OOo is free software so there can easily be 'distributions' of OOo the same way there is for Linux. So a distribution of OOo with Java shouldnt be a problem. -- Alexandro Colorado Co-Leader of OpenOffice.org Spanish http://es.openoffice.org/ Mensaje citado por Ralph Aichinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 15:37 -0600, Robert Derman wrote: Robert Derman replies: Since Sun owns Java, and since they give away a Java runtime as a free download, and they are the primary sponser of OOo, why don't they simply imbed a Java runtime in the OOo 2.0 install code that searches for an existing copy of Java runtime, and if none is found, automatically installs one? As I have said, since they give this away anyway, I don't see a problem. Because OOo is not only distributed by Sun or from the website. The problem is that the Java license makes ist impossible for e.g. Debian to include Java on Debian CDs. So even if Sun included it, they would have to rip it out again. Similar restrictions to many other people making CDs with OOo on them, like most Linux distributors. Why Sun chooses this rather restrictive license (they do not ask for a fee, but the license is rather restrictive with respect to redistribution) for Java, I do not know. Another solution would be to always download it when installing, but then many computers are not connected to the internet. The long-term solution IMHO will be a truly free Java runtime, be it a reimplementation or the one by Sun with a relaxed licensing. Free JREs are getting better all the time. /ralph -- Rettet die Wale und stürzt das System, und trennt euren Müll, denn viel Mist ist nicht schön! Gustav, Rettet die Wale - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Use of Open Office in Business
On Thursday 10 February 2005 06:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi their, I wish to encourage the use of Open Office in the business community I work in. Tell them that they also get great free tech support, if they want, or, if they need paid support, they can get it either from Sun Microsystems, or a small company called Flexiety, etc. You know where to find Sun. You can find Flexiety here: http://www.flexiety.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Giving text a structure - word processor tools
Is there, by the way any good OO hint or creativity sajts on the web? Yo know, have you tried this ideas There are several links here to different sites. Maybe one will work for you. http://www.digitaltippingpoint.com/component/option,com_weblinks/catid,76/Itemid,4/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] OO startup time
Alexandro Colorado wrote: Ok this is something that I have been questioning myself. OOo is free software so there can easily be 'distributions' of OOo the same way there is for Linux. So a distribution of OOo with Java shouldnt be a problem. -- Alexandro Colorado Co-Leader of OpenOffice.org Spanish http://es.openoffice.org/ Mensaje citado por Ralph Aichinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 15:37 -0600, Robert Derman wrote: Robert Derman replies: Since Sun owns Java, and since they give away a Java runtime as a free download, and they are the primary sponser of OOo, why don't they simply imbed a Java runtime in the OOo 2.0 install code that searches for an existing copy of Java runtime, and if none is found, automatically installs one? As I have said, since they give this away anyway, I don't see a problem. Because OOo is not only distributed by Sun or from the website. The problem is that the Java license makes ist impossible for e.g. Debian to include Java on Debian CDs. So even if Sun included it, they would have to rip it out again. Similar restrictions to many other people making CDs with OOo on them, like most Linux distributors. Robert Derman replies: All that may be true, but why not include Java in the Windows version? Or perhaps if Sun isn't willing to change its Java licensing, OOo should be forked to produce a Java Free version. Why Sun chooses this rather restrictive license (they do not ask for a fee, but the license is rather restrictive with respect to redistribution) for Java, I do not know. Another solution would be to always download it when installing, but then many computers are not connected to the internet. The long-term solution IMHO will be a truly free Java runtime, be it a reimplementation or the one by Sun with a relaxed licensing. Free JREs are getting better all the time. /ralph -- Rettet die Wale und stürzt das System, und trennt euren Müll, denn viel Mist ist nicht schön! Gustav, Rettet die Wale - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [discuss] OO startup time
Robert Derman wrote: Robert Derman replies: All that may be true, but why not include Java in the Windows version? Or perhaps if Sun isn't willing to change its because third party distributors will face at some point the same licensing problem as the Linux distros Java licensing, OOo should be forked to produce a Java Free version. forked is a too little strong word, such version already exist, but it lack some features. also, heavy work is done on the 2.0 branch to make OOo buildable with gcj. BTW, there are some rumors on the net about one big Sun competitor intending to opensource his own Java. -- nicu my OpenOffice.org pages: http://ooo.nicubunu.ro - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
