[discuss] Software Freedom Day
Where are you going to be on Software Freedom Day (www.softwarefreedomday.org) Saturday 10 September 2005 ? Are you part of a team ? http://majen.net/sfdworldwide/ http://maitri.ubuntu.com/softwarefreedomday/wiki/index.php/Team_Pages Even if you cannot attend an event in your area, perhaps wear a pin, carry a balloon, and or provide flyers/CDs as you go about your day. If you would like to share other ideas for Software Freedom Day, either post to the SFD forum, or join us on our own events@marketing.openoffice.org list. See you there. This is where I am planning to be: http://maitri.ubuntu.com/softwarefreedomday/wiki/index.php/Computer_Angels_Inc%2C_Perth%2C_Western_Australia :) Let us know what you are planning to do on Software Freedom Day on [EMAIL PROTECTED] All the best Jacqueline McNally Lead, OpenOffice.org Marketing Project - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] "To Close for Comfort?"
I too am not a fan of overly automated tools and have often stated that OOo should learn from MSO's mistakes, not emulate them. To back up Lyle's opinion, I worked a help desk for some years and every time a new package came out that we supported, we were flooded for months with questions about how to turn off different features. However, I've been using OS X lately and have not had a chance to even look at anything later than OOo 1.1.2, which is currently the latest version for OS X. If Pre-2.0 were available, I would gladly test it. It doesn't make sense to me to not have solicited input from OS X users during the development of OOo 2. -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents harm all Net-based business, write your MEP: http://wwwdb.europarl.eu.int/ep6/owa/p_meps2.repartition?ilg=EN On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Lyle (Hiroshi) Saxon wrote: [snip] So... for now,I'm abandoning Pre-2.0 and going back to 1.1.4, which still has the handy tool bar along the left side and isn't as maddeningly automated. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] "To Close for Comfort?"
I support that too, automation of the bars suck.. really what part of I am a user, not a brain damaged patient does this people don't get. I found this overly annoying and not something I would expect from a FLOSS mentality. I want my apps stupid and simple. On 8/16/05, Lars D. Noodén <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I too am not a fan of overly automated tools and have often stated that > OOo should learn from MSO's mistakes, not emulate them. > > To back up Lyle's opinion, I worked a help desk for some years and every > time a new package came out that we supported, we were flooded for months > with questions about how to turn off different features. > > However, I've been using OS X lately and have not had a chance to even > look at anything later than OOo 1.1.2, which is currently the latest > version for OS X. If Pre-2.0 were available, I would gladly test it. > It doesn't make sense to me to not have solicited input from OS X users > during the development of OOo 2. > > -Lars > Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > Software patents harm all Net-based business, write your MEP: > http://wwwdb.europarl.eu.int/ep6/owa/p_meps2.repartition?ilg=EN > > On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Lyle (Hiroshi) Saxon wrote: > [snip] > > So... for now,I'm abandoning Pre-2.0 and going back to 1.1.4, which > still has > > the handy tool bar along the left side and isn't as maddeningly > automated. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Alexandro Colorado
Re: [discuss] OOo in Slovenia
Whoo hoo! Cool idea Jaqueline. I'll start thinking of an entry... :-) Cheers, Daniel. Jacqueline McNally wrote: Have you packed your bags yet? Started to count sleeps :) Perhaps it is a bit early for this, but it is the time to plan for the OOoCon 2005 in Slovenia, 28 - 30 September 2005 (http://marketing.openoffice.org/conference/). To help with your planning I would like to give away my copy (current edition) of Lonely Planet's "Slovenia" (http://shop.lonelyplanet.com/product_detail.cfm?productID=2569&seriesID=1&seriesname=Country%20Guides&;) I have enjoyed planning one to seven day itineraries before and after OOoCon using "Slovenia". From mountains, to coast, to castles, tasting wine and taking the water. The book includes many illustrations, maps and beautifully tempting photographs. To assist you to begin to pack your bags, I will send "Slovenia" to the person who gives me what I consider is the the "best reason to attend OOoCon in Slovenia". As it is my book, I get to decide :) If there are lots of good reasons, then I will put them in a hat and draw one out. The closing date to get your entry in is Wednesday 24 August. Send your entries to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I will announce the winner the next day. Please don't provide your postal address with your entry. I will request this privately once we have a winner. I look forward to hearing your reasons to attend OOoCon in Slovenia. Good luck. All the best Jacqueline McNally Lead, OpenOffice.org Marketing Project - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- /\/`) Leave your mark at OpenOffice.org /\/_/ /\/_/ OOoAuthors: http://oooauthors.org \/_/Knowledge Base: http://mindmeld.cybersite.com.au/ / - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Re: "To Close for Comfort?"
I disagree, I think automation can be a good thing. I am sure that I am not alone in this belief, it's just many that feel the same as I do would not comment on this thread, because they wouldn't be reading it. I like the automations in OpenOffice.org - especially the autocomplete. This is very helpful in my line of work. I write a lot of news stories for a website and newsletter that I work on, and we focus on international news, especially that coming out of the Middle East. Now, I am by no means an international foreign policy expert, and some of the names I have to write are long and, for me, hard to spell, even when I am looking at the word two lines above where I am typing. The worst part is for many names, there are multiple accepted spellings. The Autocomplete feature allows me to maintain a consistant spelling throughout the document - while saving time on typing, and having to run spell-check just looking for name typos. Automation can be a good thing, as long as I can turn it off. I agree that there are times it can get annoying, but if there is a relatively easy (IE non-hacking, GUI kind-of-way) way to turn it off, then all is well. -Chad Smith On 8/16/05, Alexandro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I support that too, automation of the bars suck.. really what part of I am a > > user, not a brain damaged patient does this people don't get. > > I found this overly annoying and not something I would expect from a FLOSS > mentality. I want my apps stupid and simple. > > > On 8/16/05, Lars D. Noodén <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I too am not a fan of overly automated tools and have often stated that > > OOo should learn from MSO's mistakes, not emulate them. > > > > To back up Lyle's opinion, I worked a help desk for some years and every > > time a new package came out that we supported, we were flooded for months > > with questions about how to turn off different features. > > > > However, I've been using OS X lately and have not had a chance to even > > look at anything later than OOo 1.1.2, which is currently the latest > > version for OS X. If Pre-2.0 were available, I would gladly test it. > > It doesn't make sense to me to not have solicited input from OS X users > > during the development of OOo 2. > > > > -Lars > > Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > Software patents harm all Net-based business, write your MEP: > > http://wwwdb.europarl.eu.int/ep6/owa/p_meps2.repartition?ilg=EN > > > > On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Lyle (Hiroshi) Saxon wrote: > > [snip] > > > So... for now,I'm abandoning Pre-2.0 and going back to 1.1.4, which > > still has > > > the handy tool bar along the left side and isn't as maddeningly > > automated. > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > -- > Alexandro Colorado > > -- -Chad Smith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: "To Close for Comfort?"
Chad Smith wrote: I disagree, I think automation can be a good thing. I agree with Chad here. There is a place for automation. And to some degree it's a matter of preference. I've seen people who hate autocomplete. Chad likes it, and so do I. Now, on another program I use (Anjuta - an IDE) I hate its autocomplete, because it's implemented in a way that I find inconvenient (you can't press the up-down arrow keys when autocomplete is suggesting a word). I also hate it's habbit of closing my HTML tags automatically (because it's bad at it). The point is, automations do have a place, and how useful they are depends on whether they fit well in how you work. I like the automations in OpenOffice.org - especially the autocomplete. This is very helpful in my line of work. I write a lot of news stories for a website and newsletter that I work on, and we focus on international news, especially that coming out of the Middle East. Incidentally, OOo's autocomplete doesn't really get in the way so much. Most keyboard keys work just the same. So when autocomplete gets it wrong, it doesn't slow you down (unlike Anjuta's). The Autocomplete feature allows me to maintain a consistant spelling throughout the document - while saving time on typing, and having to run spell-check just looking for name typos. I'd say that's a very good reason to use Autocomplete. Automation can be a good thing, as long as I can turn it off. I agree that there are times it can get annoying, but if there is a relatively easy (IE non-hacking, GUI kind-of-way) way to turn it off, then all is well. Again, I agree. What pisses me off about Anjuta is that I haven't been able to turn off its automations. Whereas with OOo I've turned off the automations I didn't like and configured others to suit me (e.g. I like autocomplete as a tooltip). Cheers, Daniel. -- /\/`) Leave your mark at OpenOffice.org /\/_/ /\/_/ OOoAuthors: http://oooauthors.org \/_/Knowledge Base: http://mindmeld.cybersite.com.au/ / - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: "To Close for Comfort?"
I guess the keyword here is the option to turn it off. I use autocomplete too, but the point here is that it gives me the option to use it or not. However the pop-ups AFAIK I can't turn them offat ll nor can I have any control to pop up on a way that is not intrussive. On 8/16/05, Daniel Carrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Chad Smith wrote: > > I disagree, I think automation can be a good thing. > > I agree with Chad here. There is a place for automation. And to some > degree it's a matter of preference. I've seen people who hate > autocomplete. Chad likes it, and so do I. Now, on another program I use > (Anjuta - an IDE) I hate its autocomplete, because it's implemented in a > way that I find inconvenient (you can't press the up-down arrow keys > when autocomplete is suggesting a word). I also hate it's habbit of > closing my HTML tags automatically (because it's bad at it). > > The point is, automations do have a place, and how useful they are > depends on whether they fit well in how you work. > > > > I like the automations in OpenOffice.org - especially the > > autocomplete. This is very helpful in my line of work. I write a lot > > of news stories for a website and newsletter that I work on, and we > > focus on international news, especially that coming out of the Middle > > East. > > Incidentally, OOo's autocomplete doesn't really get in the way so much. > Most keyboard keys work just the same. So when autocomplete gets it > wrong, it doesn't slow you down (unlike Anjuta's). > > > The Autocomplete feature allows me to maintain a > > consistant spelling throughout the document - while saving time on > > typing, and having to run spell-check just looking for name typos. > > I'd say that's a very good reason to use Autocomplete. > > > Automation can be a good thing, as long as I can turn it off. I agree > > that there are times it can get annoying, but if there is a relatively > > easy (IE non-hacking, GUI kind-of-way) way to turn it off, then all is > > well. > > Again, I agree. What pisses me off about Anjuta is that I haven't been > able to turn off its automations. Whereas with OOo I've turned off the > automations I didn't like and configured others to suit me (e.g. I like > autocomplete as a tooltip). > > Cheers, > Daniel. > -- > /\/`) Leave your mark at OpenOffice.org > /\/_/ > /\/_/ OOoAuthors: http://oooauthors.org > \/_/ Knowledge Base: http://mindmeld.cybersite.com.au/ > / > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Alexandro Colorado
Re: [discuss] "To Close for Comfort?"
Lyle (Hiroshi) Saxon wrote: As a way to open files sent to me in MS-Word format and also when suggesting the program to people who want something as close to what they're used to as possible, I think the newest version of OpenOffice is on track, but for my own uses, I'm finding the pre-2.0 version to be much too close to the MS-Word for comfort. There are good and bad aspects to MS-Word, but the over-automation of it is what hurts productivity the most. For someone doing something that fits within the standard mold, it can be faster, but for those of us who customize our operations from job to job, the automation becomes a beast to defeat and adds a lot of extra time and frustration in pulling the machine back away from directions that the user never wanted it to go. So... for now,I'm abandoning Pre-2.0 and going back to 1.1.4, which still has the handy tool bar along the left side and isn't as maddeningly automated. Lyle H Saxon The automation of style or whatever MS calls them is what is driving people around here to give OOo a try. The other option is Latex which many are using. I write many small things so styles are not really used by me. But someone that is writing a 80 page paper with graphics and everything in a document will find styles a much better tool. I would prefer Wordperfects reveal codes (I have yet to try the macro). Any person that I know is going to try OOo, I print out a copy of the styles guide for them. I will agree, following to close to the poor model that MS has created won't help OOo be better. -- Robin Laing - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] IRC logs are online (was NEXT IRC TALK.)
Hi, the logs for the IRC talk are online at http://native-lang.openoffice.org/conference/ Thanks to Daniel for the formatted version :-) BTW.: The link to the logs for Sigrid's talk are fixed now. Sorry for the mistake. André Daniel Carrera schrieb: Greetings, This is the bi-weekly reminder of an IRC talk :-) This one will be in about 7 hours time. At 18:00 UTC. That should make it a suitable time for the Americas. André Schnabel from the Germaphone team will be speaking about his reasons for contributing to OOo. Talk title: Why am I here? (My personal reasons to contribute to OpenOffice.org) Time: 18:00 UTC Location: #ooonlc at irc.freenode.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] About eps format
Hello, I am working with your Open Office 2.0 Beta. I tried 1.9.122 and an older version. I have a Freehand design, that I exported as an eps file. I can insert this in a document with Microsoft Word, but with Open Office I cannot do the same. So bad! :(
Re: [discuss] Re: "To Close for Comfort?"
Daniel Carrera wrote: Chad Smith wrote: I disagree, I think automation can be a good thing. I agree with Chad here. There is a place for automation. And to some degree it's a matter of preference. I've seen people who hate autocomplete. Chad likes it, and so do I. Now, on another program I use (Anjuta - an IDE) I hate its autocomplete, because it's implemented in a way that I find inconvenient (you can't press the up-down arrow keys when autocomplete is suggesting a word). I also hate it's habbit of closing my HTML tags automatically (because it's bad at it). The point is, automations do have a place, and how useful they are depends on whether they fit well in how you work. I like the automations in OpenOffice.org - especially the autocomplete. This is very helpful in my line of work. I write a lot of news stories for a website and newsletter that I work on, and we focus on international news, especially that coming out of the Middle East. Incidentally, OOo's autocomplete doesn't really get in the way so much. Most keyboard keys work just the same. So when autocomplete gets it wrong, it doesn't slow you down (unlike Anjuta's). Robert Derman replies: I just wish that the developers would make autocomplete lower case only! I have been forced to stop using section titles in all caps because autocomplete picks them up and then always offers those words in all caps, this is a *major *nuisance! It would really be best if autocomplete was designed to use the 26 lower case letters only, no caps, no numerals and no punctuation marks.
Re: [discuss] Re: "To Close for Comfort?"
Chad wrote: > I like the automations in OpenOffice.org - especially the autocomplete. I hate autocomplete. I'm guessing that before I turned it off, I was running a minimum of a hundred incorrect words, for every correct word. For consistent spelling, I end up creating a concordance of the document, then doing individual search and replace. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: "To Close for Comfort?"
On Wed, 2005-08-17 at 00:22 +, Jonathon Blake wrote: > I hate autocomplete. I'm guessing that before I turned it off, I was > running a minimum of a hundred incorrect words, for every correct > word. If you're going to use autocomplete successfully, you have to train it. -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7177 http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield "Inspiration and craft plus time and effort minus fear and doubt multiplied by purpose equals song." - Ray Wylie Hubbard. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: "To Close for Comfort?"
Bruce wrote: > If you're going to use autocomplete successfully, you have to train it. The only way to train it, is to turn it off. Klagelieder Klagovisorna Matteus Matthaeus Matthäus Tit Tite Tito Titu Zec Zech Zecha Zechar Zechari For a couple of examples where autocomplete wants to use the wrong word. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: "To Close for Comfort?"
Jonathon Blake wrote: Bruce wrote: If you're going to use autocomplete successfully, you have to train it. The only way to train it, is to turn it off. Klagelieder Klagovisorna Matteus Matthaeus Matthäus Tit Tite Tito Titu Zec Zech Zecha Zechar Zechari For a couple of examples where autocomplete wants to use the wrong word. xan jonathon I use auto complet all the time I find it very invaluable for common words as well as filling in information that is repeated often. It must be a problem with the version your using or the OS. I have used OOo with both XP and Debian and found that it does respond differently on different OS. -- Steve, http://www.shotokansite.com/
Re: [discuss] About eps format
Alejandro Jiménez wrote: Hello, I am working with your Open Office 2.0 Beta. I tried 1.9.122 and an older version. I have a Freehand design, that I exported as an eps file. I can insert this in a document with Microsoft Word, but with Open Office I cannot do the same. So bad! :( Hello Alehandro, I believe you are not subscribed to the list. See http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/Join OpenOffice Writer cannot interpret postscript from an EPS file. It needs the image header to be included when you create the EPS file from Freehand. You will also need to print to a postscript printer to take advantage of the postscript. HTH, Alex -- Ourwoods.org Charlottesville, Virginia - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
