[discuss] Microsoft's EU Proposal a Blow to Open Source

2005-06-06 Thread Gary Edwards
eWeek has published a series of articles covering the recent anti trust 
settlement between Microsoft and the European Union.  To me the most 
interesting piece is an article titled, "Microsoft's EU Proposal a Blow 
to Open Source".  The article can be found at:

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1824675,00.asp

Under the current terms of the Microsoft proposal, the author of the 
article, Matthew Broersma has got it right.  It's an enormous blow to 
Open Source.  

Measures imposed on Microsoft by the European Commission last year were 
meant to restore competition in the workgroup server market.  Microsoft 
was forced to come up with a means of disclosing important protocols and 
interfaces that connect the MS desktop productivity environment to MS 
servers and MS devices.  The plan Microsoft came up with is a RAND 
(Reasonable and Non Discriminatory) license for access to these 
communications and connectivity protocols and interfaces.  Price and 
licensing restrictions effectively excludes Open Source access.  

Even though Open Source alternatives are the only meaningful competition 
left, the Microsoft juggernaut having crushed any and all profit 
oriented corporate efforts, the European Commission is nevertheless at a 
loss to do anything other than accept this measure of Redmond magnanimity.  

But fear not.   There is a solution, which, as measure of our own 
magnanimity, i'll call the "Spyglass Model of Fair Access and 
Licensing".  The model attempts to provide some structure and meaning to 
the meaningless RAND.  What's "reasonable and non discriminatory" to 
Microsoft turns out to be a catch-22 highway to oblivion for everyone 
else.  To be "reasonable" we need to have a solid marker, reflecting the 
marketplace, against which access rights to communications essentials 
can be "reasonably" distributed.  Let me try to explain.


Clearly we need a solution to the problem of providing fair and 
equitable access to these critically important interfaces and 
protocols.  Without access there can be no open market interoperability 
worth a competitive damn.


Lucky for us that Microsoft has already come up with a solution that has 
worked very well for them in the past, and if applied to the current 
situation would preserve the competitiveness of open source 
alternatives.  Let's call it the "Spyglass Model".


Remember Spyglass?  Faced with the prospect of the Netscape Browser 
totally taking over the Internet, and having no expertise to write their 
own response, Microsoft turned to Mosaic Browser expert Spyglass.  The 
deal was simple. Spyglass writes a competitive browser for Microsoft, 
and Microsoft pays them a percentage of every browser sold. A win win 
for everyone.  

Microsoft then proceeded to bolt the Spyglass browser into every Windows 
distro.  Since there was no break down of the Windows bundle into 
specific charges for specific components like the browser, there was no 
requirement to reimburse Spyglass for Herculean effort in providing 
Microsoft with a competitive browser.  Funny how MS Office was handled 
differently, but nevertheless managed to ship bundled with most 
distributions.   

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.  I think the EU can 
solve the interoperability problems between MS desktops and competitive 
servers and services by following the Spyglass model and putting some 
structure to the RAND licensing model Microsoft has proposed.  Let 
competitors needing totally open, clear and transparent access to these 
critically important protocols and interfaces pay Microsoft according to 
what they charge for components utilizing these interfaces in their 
distributions.  Let the regulators audit Microsoft to make certain they 
provide "all" interfaces and protocols.


It's been more than a year since Microsoft came to similar terms with 
the USA Courts regarding competitive access rights to the same 
interfaces and protocols.  Since then only seven companies have come up 
with the booty to purchase MS RAND access rights.  And they did so with 
no guarantee that the interfaces and protocols they were provided with 
represented the whole enchilada.  For all these seven know, they could 
have purchased themselves into second class competitiveship for aeon's 
to come.  The Microsoft way has long been to provide one set of 
protocols and interfaces to third parties, and reserve another, secret 
and enhanced set for themselves. Why should they give up a proven, 
battle tested business practice guaranteed to fill the coffers?


The MS desktop productivity environment has a 93% plus market dominance. 
What server, device or Internet service doesn't need access to this, the 
most dominant computational interface the digital world knows?  The 
desktop interface is how most information workers access information 
systems.  And even as devices continue to rise in their computational 
and information access capabilities, interoperability with MS desktops 
remains cri

Re: [discuss] Microsoft's EU Proposal a Blow to Open Source

2005-06-07 Thread Rigel
for all the idealism in the post, I will simply comment that MicroSoft would 
only benefit themselves. They aren't around to benefit anyone else. Spyglass 
model or otherwise, they make more profit lieing cheating and stealing then 
by excercising integrity. My two cents.
 Rigel

 On 6/6/05, Gary Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> eWeek has published a series of articles covering the recent anti trust
> settlement between Microsoft and the European Union. To me the most
> interesting piece is an article titled, "Microsoft's EU Proposal a Blow
> to Open Source". The article can be found at:
> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1824675,00.asp
> 
> Under the current terms of the Microsoft proposal, the author of the
> article, Matthew Broersma has got it right. It's an enormous blow to
> Open Source.
> 
> Measures imposed on Microsoft by the European Commission last year were
> meant to restore competition in the workgroup server market. Microsoft
> was forced to come up with a means of disclosing important protocols and
> interfaces that connect the MS desktop productivity environment to MS
> servers and MS devices. The plan Microsoft came up with is a RAND
> (Reasonable and Non Discriminatory) license for access to these
> communications and connectivity protocols and interfaces. Price and
> licensing restrictions effectively excludes Open Source access.
> 
> Even though Open Source alternatives are the only meaningful competition
> left, the Microsoft juggernaut having crushed any and all profit
> oriented corporate efforts, the European Commission is nevertheless at a
> loss to do anything other than accept this measure of Redmond magnanimity.
> 
> But fear not. There is a solution, which, as measure of our own
> magnanimity, i'll call the "Spyglass Model of Fair Access and
> Licensing". The model attempts to provide some structure and meaning to
> the meaningless RAND. What's "reasonable and non discriminatory" to
> Microsoft turns out to be a catch-22 highway to oblivion for everyone
> else. To be "reasonable" we need to have a solid marker, reflecting the
> marketplace, against which access rights to communications essentials
> can be "reasonably" distributed. Let me try to explain.
> 
> Clearly we need a solution to the problem of providing fair and
> equitable access to these critically important interfaces and
> protocols. Without access there can be no open market interoperability
> worth a competitive damn.
> 
> Lucky for us that Microsoft has already come up with a solution that has
> worked very well for them in the past, and if applied to the current
> situation would preserve the competitiveness of open source
> alternatives. Let's call it the "Spyglass Model".
> 
> Remember Spyglass? Faced with the prospect of the Netscape Browser
> totally taking over the Internet, and having no expertise to write their
> own response, Microsoft turned to Mosaic Browser expert Spyglass. The
> deal was simple. Spyglass writes a competitive browser for Microsoft,
> and Microsoft pays them a percentage of every browser sold. A win win
> for everyone.
> 
> Microsoft then proceeded to bolt the Spyglass browser into every Windows
> distro. Since there was no break down of the Windows bundle into
> specific charges for specific components like the browser, there was no
> requirement to reimburse Spyglass for Herculean effort in providing
> Microsoft with a competitive browser. Funny how MS Office was handled
> differently, but nevertheless managed to ship bundled with most
> distributions.
> 
> What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I think the EU can
> solve the interoperability problems between MS desktops and competitive
> servers and services by following the Spyglass model and putting some
> structure to the RAND licensing model Microsoft has proposed. Let
> competitors needing totally open, clear and transparent access to these
> critically important protocols and interfaces pay Microsoft according to
> what they charge for components utilizing these interfaces in their
> distributions. Let the regulators audit Microsoft to make certain they
> provide "all" interfaces and protocols.
> 
> It's been more than a year since Microsoft came to similar terms with
> the USA Courts regarding competitive access rights to the same
> interfaces and protocols. Since then only seven companies have come up
> with the booty to purchase MS RAND access rights. And they did so with
> no guarantee that the interfaces and protocols they were provided with
> represented the whole enchilada. For all these seven know, they could
> have purchased themselves into second class competitiveship for aeon's
> to come. The Microsoft way has long been to provide one set of
> protocols and interfaces to third parties, and reserve another, secret
> and enhanced set for themselves. Why should they give up a proven,
> battle tested business practice guaranteed to fill the coffers?
> 
> The MS desktop productivity environment h

Re: [discuss] Microsoft's EU Proposal a Blow to Open Source

2005-06-25 Thread John Boyle
To ALL; Is this agreement as bad as it sounds or can Open Source users 
still breath calmly? What I am really concerned about is if the Linux 
companies, Novell being one, are even concerned about it in the 
slightest? Does anybody know? :-(


Gary Edwards wrote:

eWeek has published a series of articles covering the recent anti 
trust settlement between Microsoft and the European Union.  To me the 
most interesting piece is an article titled, "Microsoft's EU Proposal 
a Blow to Open Source".  The article can be found at:

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1824675,00.asp

Under the current terms of the Microsoft proposal, the author of the 
article, Matthew Broersma has got it right.  It's an enormous blow to 
Open Source. 
Measures imposed on Microsoft by the European Commission last year 
were meant to restore competition in the workgroup server market.  
Microsoft was forced to come up with a means of disclosing important 
protocols and interfaces that connect the MS desktop productivity 
environment to MS servers and MS devices.  The plan Microsoft came up 
with is a RAND (Reasonable and Non Discriminatory) license for access 
to these communications and connectivity protocols and interfaces.  
Price and licensing restrictions effectively excludes Open Source 
access. 
Even though Open Source alternatives are the only meaningful 
competition left, the Microsoft juggernaut having crushed any and all 
profit oriented corporate efforts, the European Commission is 
nevertheless at a loss to do anything other than accept this measure 
of Redmond magnanimity. 
But fear not.   There is a solution, which, as measure of our own 
magnanimity, i'll call the "Spyglass Model of Fair Access and 
Licensing".  The model attempts to provide some structure and meaning 
to the meaningless RAND.  What's "reasonable and non discriminatory" 
to Microsoft turns out to be a catch-22 highway to oblivion for 
everyone else.  To be "reasonable" we need to have a solid marker, 
reflecting the marketplace, against which access rights to 
communications essentials can be "reasonably" distributed.  Let me try 
to explain.


Clearly we need a solution to the problem of providing fair and 
equitable access to these critically important interfaces and 
protocols.  Without access there can be no open market 
interoperability worth a competitive damn.


Lucky for us that Microsoft has already come up with a solution that 
has worked very well for them in the past, and if applied to the 
current situation would preserve the competitiveness of open source 
alternatives.  Let's call it the "Spyglass Model".


Remember Spyglass?  Faced with the prospect of the Netscape Browser 
totally taking over the Internet, and having no expertise to write 
their own response, Microsoft turned to Mosaic Browser expert 
Spyglass.  The deal was simple. Spyglass writes a competitive browser 
for Microsoft, and Microsoft pays them a percentage of every browser 
sold. A win win for everyone. 
Microsoft then proceeded to bolt the Spyglass browser into every 
Windows distro.  Since there was no break down of the Windows bundle 
into specific charges for specific components like the browser, there 
was no requirement to reimburse Spyglass for Herculean effort in 
providing Microsoft with a competitive browser.  Funny how MS Office 
was handled differently, but nevertheless managed to ship bundled with 
most distributions.  
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.  I think the EU can 
solve the interoperability problems between MS desktops and 
competitive servers and services by following the Spyglass model and 
putting some structure to the RAND licensing model Microsoft has 
proposed.  Let competitors needing totally open, clear and transparent 
access to these critically important protocols and interfaces pay 
Microsoft according to what they charge for components utilizing these 
interfaces in their distributions.  Let the regulators audit Microsoft 
to make certain they provide "all" interfaces and protocols.


It's been more than a year since Microsoft came to similar terms with 
the USA Courts regarding competitive access rights to the same 
interfaces and protocols.  Since then only seven companies have come 
up with the booty to purchase MS RAND access rights.  And they did so 
with no guarantee that the interfaces and protocols they were provided 
with represented the whole enchilada.  For all these seven know, they 
could have purchased themselves into second class competitiveship for 
aeon's to come.  The Microsoft way has long been to provide one set of 
protocols and interfaces to third parties, and reserve another, secret 
and enhanced set for themselves. Why should they give up a proven, 
battle tested business practice guaranteed to fill the coffers?


The MS desktop productivity environment has a 93% plus market 
dominance. What server, device or Internet service doesn't need access 
to this, the most dominant computational interfa