Re: [SH-Discuss] Summer 2014 open house

[Becca Salchak]

Thank you Craig if only we could get the rest of the membership excited
about it

On Wednesday, March 5, 2014, Craig Bergdorf  wrote:

> And it's a unique, promotable, yearly event that people will be waiting
> (all year) for.  Having 4 yearly events imo is better than a event that
> happens 4 times a year.
>
> Also, really looking forward to this auction, I have a few outputs to
> contribute myself.
> On Mar 5, 2014 12:22 AM, "Becca Salchak" 
> >
> wrote:
>
>> We are having a silent auction mid summer which I hope will become an
>> annual event maybe count that as one even though it truly won't be an open
>> house as we will be selling tickets.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Justin Herman 
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good call Craig.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Craig Bergdorf  wrote:
>>>
 Space-giving, hacky new year, & opening day anniversary.  Do we need a
 mid summer one? We have speakers starting up again, and are sure to have
 lots of events this summer during our busy season.  imo the less frequent
 the better, so there a big deal to both visitors and regulars, nobody will
 say 'I'll catch the next one'.
  On Mar 4, 2014 3:13 PM, "Justin Herman"  wrote:

> Maybe we use the Space-Giving for the last one of the year?
>
> The September 6th might be difficult as it is near labor day. Unless
> we like that. Having it around the start of school is a great way to get
> the UA area involved!
>
> Great Ideas lets keep them rolling!
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Philip P. Patnode 
> wrote:
>
>> Let's do an Open House on the first Saturday of the month, in March,
>> June, September, and December.
>>
>> March 1st - done!
>>
>> June 7th - start planning
>>
>> September 6th - end of summer
>>
>> December 6th - buried in snow
>>
>> Open House events are a very good way to attract new members and
>> supporters.  Plus, if it is advertised properly, the event will keep SH 
>> in
>> the news.  That is is good thing, as Martha would say.
>>
>> I will be happy to help plan any of the upcoming SH events.  Might
>> even rent a tux and pretend to be the official greeter at the front door.
>>
>> Philip
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Torrie Fischer <
>> tdfisc...@hackerbots.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Any thoughts about a summer open house? I think we could possibly do
>>> these
>>> things quarterly, if not twice a year.
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Re: [SH-Discuss] SynHak Newsletter goes out!

[a l]

I too attempted to sign onto this news letter with the intent on
contributing as well as fact and spell checking.

Regards,
Andrew L
On Mar 4, 2014 6:01 PM, "Torrie Fischer"  wrote:

> On Tuesday, March 04, 2014 16:52:24 Justin Herman wrote:
> > I posted the 2nd newsletter today. Here is a link
> http://eepurl.com/PGkTz
> > Archive Editions are available here http://eepurl.com/PGkTz
> >
> > If you are not subscribed you can do so here. http://eepurl.com/PpEYv
> >
> > If you want to submit or help write please let me know and join the
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>
> I joined that list in the hopes of being able to review the newsletter
> before
> it got sent out to catch anything like the attribution of photos. I guess
> this
> issue was just sent out without any feedback?
>
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Justin
> >
> > PS: I hope to see everyone at the meeting tonight!
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Summer 2014 open house

[a l]

Technically as a community workshop, and charitable scientific educational
facility every day is an open house. We should take every opportunity to
get the public engaged in our mission.
I view this pay weekend as more of a space warming event.  Our classes and
cool projects should draw people in as much as 'open houses'.

Regards,
Andrew L
On Mar 5, 2014 1:32 AM, "Becca Salchak"  wrote:

> Thank you Craig if only we could get the rest of the membership excited
> about it
>
> On Wednesday, March 5, 2014, Craig Bergdorf  wrote:
>
>> And it's a unique, promotable, yearly event that people will be waiting
>> (all year) for.  Having 4 yearly events imo is better than a event that
>> happens 4 times a year.
>>
>> Also, really looking forward to this auction, I have a few outputs to
>> contribute myself.
>> On Mar 5, 2014 12:22 AM, "Becca Salchak"  wrote:
>>
>>> We are having a silent auction mid summer which I hope will become an
>>> annual event maybe count that as one even though it truly won't be an open
>>> house as we will be selling tickets.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Justin Herman  wrote:
>>>
 Good call Craig.


 On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Craig Bergdorf wrote:

> Space-giving, hacky new year, & opening day anniversary.  Do we need a
> mid summer one? We have speakers starting up again, and are sure to have
> lots of events this summer during our busy season.  imo the less frequent
> the better, so there a big deal to both visitors and regulars, nobody will
> say 'I'll catch the next one'.
>  On Mar 4, 2014 3:13 PM, "Justin Herman"  wrote:
>
>> Maybe we use the Space-Giving for the last one of the year?
>>
>> The September 6th might be difficult as it is near labor day. Unless
>> we like that. Having it around the start of school is a great way to get
>> the UA area involved!
>>
>> Great Ideas lets keep them rolling!
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Philip P. Patnode > > wrote:
>>
>>> Let's do an Open House on the first Saturday of the month, in March,
>>> June, September, and December.
>>>
>>> March 1st - done!
>>>
>>> June 7th - start planning
>>>
>>> September 6th - end of summer
>>>
>>> December 6th - buried in snow
>>>
>>> Open House events are a very good way to attract new members and
>>> supporters.  Plus, if it is advertised properly, the event will keep SH 
>>> in
>>> the news.  That is is good thing, as Martha would say.
>>>
>>> I will be happy to help plan any of the upcoming SH events.  Might
>>> even rent a tux and pretend to be the official greeter at the front 
>>> door.
>>>
>>> Philip
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Torrie Fischer <
>>> tdfisc...@hackerbots.net> wrote:
>>>
 Any thoughts about a summer open house? I think we could possibly
 do these
 things quarterly, if not twice a year.
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Summer 2014 open house

[Becca Salchak]

Thank you Craig if only we could get the rest of the membership excited
about it

On Wednesday, March 5, 2014, Craig Bergdorf  wrote:

> And it's a unique, promotable, yearly event that people will be waiting
> (all year) for.  Having 4 yearly events imo is better than a event that
> happens 4 times a year.
>
> Also, really looking forward to this auction, I have a few outputs to
> contribute myself.
> On Mar 5, 2014 12:22 AM, "Becca Salchak" 
> >
> wrote:
>
>> We are having a silent auction mid summer which I hope will become an
>> annual event maybe count that as one even though it truly won't be an open
>> house as we will be selling tickets.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Justin Herman 
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good call Craig.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Craig Bergdorf  wrote:
>>>
 Space-giving, hacky new year, & opening day anniversary.  Do we need a
 mid summer one? We have speakers starting up again, and are sure to have
 lots of events this summer during our busy season.  imo the less frequent
 the better, so there a big deal to both visitors and regulars, nobody will
 say 'I'll catch the next one'.
  On Mar 4, 2014 3:13 PM, "Justin Herman"  wrote:

> Maybe we use the Space-Giving for the last one of the year?
>
> The September 6th might be difficult as it is near labor day. Unless
> we like that. Having it around the start of school is a great way to get
> the UA area involved!
>
> Great Ideas lets keep them rolling!
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Philip P. Patnode 
> wrote:
>
>> Let's do an Open House on the first Saturday of the month, in March,
>> June, September, and December.
>>
>> March 1st - done!
>>
>> June 7th - start planning
>>
>> September 6th - end of summer
>>
>> December 6th - buried in snow
>>
>> Open House events are a very good way to attract new members and
>> supporters.  Plus, if it is advertised properly, the event will keep SH 
>> in
>> the news.  That is is good thing, as Martha would say.
>>
>> I will be happy to help plan any of the upcoming SH events.  Might
>> even rent a tux and pretend to be the official greeter at the front door.
>>
>> Philip
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Torrie Fischer <
>> tdfisc...@hackerbots.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Any thoughts about a summer open house? I think we could possibly do
>>> these
>>> things quarterly, if not twice a year.
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Summer 2014 open house

[Craig Bergdorf]

And it's a unique, promotable, yearly event that people will be waiting
(all year) for.  Having 4 yearly events imo is better than a event that
happens 4 times a year.

Also, really looking forward to this auction, I have a few outputs to
contribute myself.
On Mar 5, 2014 12:22 AM, "Becca Salchak"  wrote:

> We are having a silent auction mid summer which I hope will become an
> annual event maybe count that as one even though it truly won't be an open
> house as we will be selling tickets.
>
> On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Justin Herman  wrote:
>
>> Good call Craig.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Craig Bergdorf  wrote:
>>
>>> Space-giving, hacky new year, & opening day anniversary.  Do we need a
>>> mid summer one? We have speakers starting up again, and are sure to have
>>> lots of events this summer during our busy season.  imo the less frequent
>>> the better, so there a big deal to both visitors and regulars, nobody will
>>> say 'I'll catch the next one'.
>>>  On Mar 4, 2014 3:13 PM, "Justin Herman"  wrote:
>>>
 Maybe we use the Space-Giving for the last one of the year?

 The September 6th might be difficult as it is near labor day. Unless we
 like that. Having it around the start of school is a great way to get the
 UA area involved!

 Great Ideas lets keep them rolling!


 On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Philip P. Patnode 
 wrote:

> Let's do an Open House on the first Saturday of the month, in March,
> June, September, and December.
>
> March 1st - done!
>
> June 7th - start planning
>
> September 6th - end of summer
>
> December 6th - buried in snow
>
> Open House events are a very good way to attract new members and
> supporters.  Plus, if it is advertised properly, the event will keep SH in
> the news.  That is is good thing, as Martha would say.
>
> I will be happy to help plan any of the upcoming SH events.  Might
> even rent a tux and pretend to be the official greeter at the front door.
>
> Philip
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Torrie Fischer <
> tdfisc...@hackerbots.net> wrote:
>
>> Any thoughts about a summer open house? I think we could possibly do
>> these
>> things quarterly, if not twice a year.
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Summer 2014 open house

[Becca Salchak]

We are having a silent auction mid summer which I hope will become an
annual event maybe count that as one even though it truly won't be an open
house as we will be selling tickets.

On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Justin Herman  wrote:

> Good call Craig.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Craig Bergdorf 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> Space-giving, hacky new year, & opening day anniversary.  Do we need a
>> mid summer one? We have speakers starting up again, and are sure to have
>> lots of events this summer during our busy season.  imo the less frequent
>> the better, so there a big deal to both visitors and regulars, nobody will
>> say 'I'll catch the next one'.
>>  On Mar 4, 2014 3:13 PM, "Justin Herman" 
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe we use the Space-Giving for the last one of the year?
>>>
>>> The September 6th might be difficult as it is near labor day. Unless we
>>> like that. Having it around the start of school is a great way to get the
>>> UA area involved!
>>>
>>> Great Ideas lets keep them rolling!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Philip P. Patnode 
>>> 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
 Let's do an Open House on the first Saturday of the month, in March,
 June, September, and December.

 March 1st - done!

 June 7th - start planning

 September 6th - end of summer

 December 6th - buried in snow

 Open House events are a very good way to attract new members and
 supporters.  Plus, if it is advertised properly, the event will keep SH in
 the news.  That is is good thing, as Martha would say.

 I will be happy to help plan any of the upcoming SH events.  Might even
 rent a tux and pretend to be the official greeter at the front door.

 Philip





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 tdfisc...@hackerbots.net
 > wrote:

> Any thoughts about a summer open house? I think we could possibly do
> these
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Summer 2014 open house

[Justin Herman]

Good call Craig.


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Craig Bergdorf  wrote:

> Space-giving, hacky new year, & opening day anniversary.  Do we need a mid
> summer one? We have speakers starting up again, and are sure to have lots
> of events this summer during our busy season.  imo the less frequent the
> better, so there a big deal to both visitors and regulars, nobody will say
> 'I'll catch the next one'.
>  On Mar 4, 2014 3:13 PM, "Justin Herman"  wrote:
>
>> Maybe we use the Space-Giving for the last one of the year?
>>
>> The September 6th might be difficult as it is near labor day. Unless we
>> like that. Having it around the start of school is a great way to get the
>> UA area involved!
>>
>> Great Ideas lets keep them rolling!
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Philip P. Patnode wrote:
>>
>>> Let's do an Open House on the first Saturday of the month, in March,
>>> June, September, and December.
>>>
>>> March 1st - done!
>>>
>>> June 7th - start planning
>>>
>>> September 6th - end of summer
>>>
>>> December 6th - buried in snow
>>>
>>> Open House events are a very good way to attract new members and
>>> supporters.  Plus, if it is advertised properly, the event will keep SH in
>>> the news.  That is is good thing, as Martha would say.
>>>
>>> I will be happy to help plan any of the upcoming SH events.  Might even
>>> rent a tux and pretend to be the official greeter at the front door.
>>>
>>> Philip
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Torrie Fischer >> > wrote:
>>>
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 these
 things quarterly, if not twice a year.
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Summer 2014 open house

[Craig Bergdorf]

Space-giving, hacky new year, & opening day anniversary.  Do we need a mid
summer one? We have speakers starting up again, and are sure to have lots
of events this summer during our busy season.  imo the less frequent the
better, so there a big deal to both visitors and regulars, nobody will say
'I'll catch the next one'.
On Mar 4, 2014 3:13 PM, "Justin Herman"  wrote:

> Maybe we use the Space-Giving for the last one of the year?
>
> The September 6th might be difficult as it is near labor day. Unless we
> like that. Having it around the start of school is a great way to get the
> UA area involved!
>
> Great Ideas lets keep them rolling!
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Philip P. Patnode wrote:
>
>> Let's do an Open House on the first Saturday of the month, in March,
>> June, September, and December.
>>
>> March 1st - done!
>>
>> June 7th - start planning
>>
>> September 6th - end of summer
>>
>> December 6th - buried in snow
>>
>> Open House events are a very good way to attract new members and
>> supporters.  Plus, if it is advertised properly, the event will keep SH in
>> the news.  That is is good thing, as Martha would say.
>>
>> I will be happy to help plan any of the upcoming SH events.  Might even
>> rent a tux and pretend to be the official greeter at the front door.
>>
>> Philip
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Torrie Fischer 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Any thoughts about a summer open house? I think we could possibly do
>>> these
>>> things quarterly, if not twice a year.
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Associate Membership

[Torrie Fischer]

On Tuesday, March 04, 2014 20:11:49 Torrie Fischer wrote:
> As we discussed in the meeting today, here's the formal proposal I'd like to
> put forth:
> 
> ---8<---
> * There shall be an additional class of members called Associate Members.
> * Associate Members are an entirely separate class from the standard class
> of Members as established in the bylaws
> * Associate Members gain no additional benefits or privileges over Members
> or non-members
> * The protocol for receiving Associate Membership status shall be:
> ** One sponsorship from a full Active Member
> ** Three sponsorships from either Active Members or Associate Members
> --->8---
> 
> The protocol for removing associate membership status will be determined in
> the future, probably via the CWG.

Ack, forgot to mention that this should be implemented via the wiki.

Users can create their page, and others can edit the page to add their 
sponsorships. Just a super simple list on the page, which is trivial to do in 
mediawiki syntax. I'll document my idea tonight with an example in the 
membership sandbox page.

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Re: [SH-Discuss] [Board] Board meeting 3/10/2014 7pm.

[Torrie Fischer]

On Monday, March 03, 2014 21:35:04 degerov...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Yes G, you are correct.
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

Hey, guys.

Please stop hitting reply-all to mails that go to announce@.

Consider the fact that announce@ has a *lot* more subscribers than discuss@.

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[SH-Discuss] Proposal: Associate Membership

[Torrie Fischer]

As we discussed in the meeting today, here's the formal proposal I'd like to 
put forth:

---8<---
* There shall be an additional class of members called Associate Members.
* Associate Members are an entirely separate class from the standard class of 
Members as established in the bylaws
* Associate Members gain no additional benefits or privileges over Members or 
non-members
* The protocol for receiving Associate Membership status shall be:
** One sponsorship from a full Active Member
** Three sponsorships from either Active Members or Associate Members
--->8---

The protocol for removing associate membership status will be determined in 
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal discussion: Associate Members

[Tomm Smith]

Torrie,
Thank you. I had not ran across that document in my navigating the Wiki.


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Torrie Fischer wrote:

> On Monday, March 03, 2014 21:29:44 Tomm Smith wrote:
> > I agree with Torrie. I am not a member (yet) but am new to the community
> > and in a situation where this would be a nice step to becoming a member.
> It
> > would give the psych a certain feeling of acceptance to allow for new
> > members to speak up a bit more and get to know the community better,
> > quicker. The new member (given the resources) could then also have
> > opportunity to prove there skills to the community making their
> acceptance
> > much more likely and swift. Further from this it gives a very
> established,
> > professional feeling to the new comer and welcomes them in, enriching
> > within them to help build the community and be constructive and creative.
> > One is more likely to buy an item, if they are given a sample at the
> front
> > door.
> >
> > Not to mention the availability this leaves for the website and digital
> > infrastructure down the road. If the service hosting were to increase,
> > associated members could then get a small webspace with limited
> priviledges
> > and quite possibly a shell with limited priviledges. This small
> > introductory corner would allow them the sandbox to prove their skills
> and
> > begin to get a taste of what the SYNHAK community is, in and outside of
> the
> > facilities. As Torrie was saying, these account types could also be
> tagged
> > to an academic tracking system that allows members to know and check who
> > has been safety trained to use what machines/tools and any concerns over
> > such. This tagging system could also be used as a means to keep notes on
> > the users and raise issues/concerns or honors/promotions of said
> associated
> > member, to the members. With maturity and incorporation, I would agree
> > quite strongly with Torrie about this being a rather foundational element
> > of the beginning steps of becoming a member. The structure would then
> lead
> > towards established professionalism, in turn then leading towards
> becoming
> > a 501c down the road and contribution to advancing said facilities could
> > benefit the (associated) members by tax exemption.
>
> Sorry to reply twice to the same post, but this tagging/training system is
> implemented in spiff:
>
> http://synhak.org/auth/
>
> >
> > Just a few agreeances and thoughts.
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Torrie Fischer
> wrote:
> > > On Monday, March 03, 2014 17:57:16 a l wrote:
> > > > I didn't reply due to no concerns as the proposal is laid out here. I
> > >
> > > guess
> > >
> > > > my question is: Why? Why does someone want to become an associate
> > > > member?
> > > > Are they allowed some small storage? They can't be a keyholder since
> > > > that
> > > > is a privilege of membership, so it wouldn't grant them additonal
> access
> > >
> > > to
> > >
> > > > the space.  Perhaps I underestimate the draw of a completely
> arbitrary
> > > > title.
> > > > Since it doesn't really change much I have no reason to block it
> though.
> > >
> > > It establishes a web of trust model within the space and provides a
> sense
> > > of
> > > belonging.
> > >
> > > If some unknown guest is milling about, one can easily request what
> their
> > > username is and figure out if they are someone that the community
> trusts
> > > to be
> > > at SYNHAK. By having a username, it also encourages them to use the
> > > infrastructure on synhak.org more, namely the wiki.
> > >
> > > Additionally, I'm sure there are quite a few people who would love to
> say
> > > "I'm
> > > a member of SYNHAK", especially visiting hackers. It gives a sense of
> > > belonging.
> > >
> > > For example, I'm not a full Council Member of Noisebridge. I am,
> however,
> > > an
> > > Associate Member. In a way, I am a part of the Noisebridge community
> more
> > > than
> > > someone who isn't an Associate Member. It gives me warm fuzzies. <3
> > >
> > > > regards,
> > > > Andrew L
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Torrie Fischer
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > No discussion on a mechanism that has the potential to prevent
> future
> > > > > tension?
> > > > >
> > > > > This makes me sad
> > > > >
> > > > > :(
> > > > >
> > > > > On Friday, February 28, 2014 10:29:34 Torrie Fischer wrote:
> > > > > > I'd like to discuss the possibility of an additional class of
> > > > > > members
> > > > >
> > > > > based
> > > > >
> > > > > > on the success I've seen of using it at Noisebridge. Right now,
> > > > > > we've
> > > > > > got
> > > > > > just one class of members called Members. Some time ago, they
> > >
> > > introduced
> > >
> > > > > a
> > > > >
> > > > > > second group called Associate Members. The procedure for
> becoming an
> > > > > > associate member is pretty simple:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Membership#Associate_Members
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Essen

Re: [SH-Discuss] Equipment to donate

[Tomm Smith]

Depending on the time, I could lend a hand moving as well, if required.


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Martin Pinkston wrote:

> Hello Carol,
> If you wish, I can probably come over an evening or two and help you clear
> out the garage.
> I have a pick up and am usually free in the evenings.
> Feel free to give me call,
> 330-389-1091
>
> Take Care & Have fun Always.
> Martin Pinkston RN
>
> On Mar 3, 2014, at 10:56, "Carol Saniuk"  wrote:
>
> I have inherited a garage full of tools, handyman items, old electrical
> items, screws, wood etc. I don't want to throw it out...can you find people
> who might need these items?
>
> Carol Saniuk
>
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Re: [SH-Discuss] SynHak Newsletter goes out!

[Torrie Fischer]

On Tuesday, March 04, 2014 16:52:24 Justin Herman wrote:
> I posted the 2nd newsletter today. Here is a link http://eepurl.com/PGkTz
> Archive Editions are available here http://eepurl.com/PGkTz
> 
> If you are not subscribed you can do so here. http://eepurl.com/PpEYv
> 
> If you want to submit or help write please let me know and join the
> news-disc...@synhak.org email list.

I joined that list in the hopes of being able to review the newsletter before 
it got sent out to catch anything like the attribution of photos. I guess this 
issue was just sent out without any feedback?

> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Justin
> 
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Fwd: Stewing at the Meeting 3/4

[Torrie Fischer]

On Tuesday, March 04, 2014 16:40:35 Michael Griesacker wrote:
> sent this to announce this morning, but looks like somebody has a day
> job

Ja, I let it through to announce@.

> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Michael Griesacker 
> Date: Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:26 AM
> Subject: Stewing at the Meeting 3/4
> To: annou...@synhak.org
> 
> 
> I will be bringing a pot of venison stew tonight for anyone who would like
> to try it, I can't gaurantee there will be enough for all, but it will be a
> mushroom base, and have  meat/vegetables in it.  -bring your own
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Re: [SH-Discuss] SynHak Newsletter goes out!

[Philip P. Patnode]

FYI,

Photography is not a hobby with me.

I have been working as a part-time event photographer for way more than 20
years and I plan on continuing to do more in the future.  Companies and
individuals pay serious money to have me push the button on the camera.

It is not acceptable to have my work appear in print or online in a
commercial publication without proper credit.

As previously stated, anybody at SH who has access to the Flickr link with
my photos is free to view, print, share, or copy any of them, as long as
the use is personal, not commercial.

SH was not and will not be charged for photographic services or prints, but
SH or any other organization is expected to play by the rules.

BTW, the rules of the game clearly state that the photographer owns the
rights to the images and has total control over any and all images he/she
might take.

If other members wish to take pics at SH events and provide them to the
public without attribution, that is fine with me and none of my concern.

My apologies if I ruffled some feathers.  Much better than skinning the
bird with a blowtorch, metaphorically speaking.

Philip




On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 5:04 PM, gs volt  wrote:

> Feel free to use any of my photos (existing or future ones) without
> attributions:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gsvolt/sets
>
> :( didn't have any from opening day though
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Philip P. Patnode wrote:
>
>> Justin,
>>
>> If you are going to use my photos for commercial purposes, you MUST give
>> me credit for the photo.
>>
>> The SYN/HAK newsletter is a commercial purpose.
>>
>> Please add = "Photo by Philip P Patnode"
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Philip
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Justin Herman  wrote:
>>
>>> I posted the 2nd newsletter today. Here is a link
>>> http://eepurl.com/PGkTz
>>> Archive Editions are available here http://eepurl.com/PGkTz
>>>
>>> If you are not subscribed you can do so here. http://eepurl.com/PpEYv
>>>
>>> If you want to submit or help write please let me know and join the
>>> news-disc...@synhak.org email list.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Justin
>>>
>>> PS: I hope to see everyone at the meeting tonight!
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Re: [SH-Discuss] SynHak Newsletter goes out!

[Philip P. Patnode]

Justin,

If you are going to use my photos for commercial purposes, you MUST give me
credit for the photo.

The SYN/HAK newsletter is a commercial purpose.

Please add = "Photo by Philip P Patnode"

Thank you.

Philip


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Justin Herman  wrote:

> I posted the 2nd newsletter today. Here is a link http://eepurl.com/PGkTz
> Archive Editions are available here http://eepurl.com/PGkTz
>
> If you are not subscribed you can do so here. http://eepurl.com/PpEYv
>
> If you want to submit or help write please let me know and join the
> news-disc...@synhak.org email list.
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Justin
>
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[gs volt]

Feel free to use any of my photos (existing or future ones) without
attributions:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gsvolt/sets

:( didn't have any from opening day though


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Philip P. Patnode wrote:

> Justin,
>
> If you are going to use my photos for commercial purposes, you MUST give
> me credit for the photo.
>
> The SYN/HAK newsletter is a commercial purpose.
>
> Please add = "Photo by Philip P Patnode"
>
> Thank you.
>
> Philip
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Justin Herman  wrote:
>
>> I posted the 2nd newsletter today. Here is a link http://eepurl.com/PGkTz
>> Archive Editions are available here http://eepurl.com/PGkTz
>>
>> If you are not subscribed you can do so here. http://eepurl.com/PpEYv
>>
>> If you want to submit or help write please let me know and join the
>> news-disc...@synhak.org email list.
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Justin
>>
>> PS: I hope to see everyone at the meeting tonight!
>>
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Re: [SH-Discuss] SynHak Newsletter goes out!

[Philip P. Patnode]

Added comment -

The credit line should appear on any photo taken by me used in the
newsletter.

If you prefer not to add the credit line, please remove the photo.


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Philip P. Patnode wrote:

> Justin,
>
> If you are going to use my photos for commercial purposes, you MUST give
> me credit for the photo.
>
> The SYN/HAK newsletter is a commercial purpose.
>
> Please add = "Photo by Philip P Patnode"
>
> Thank you.
>
> Philip
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Justin Herman  wrote:
>
>> I posted the 2nd newsletter today. Here is a link http://eepurl.com/PGkTz
>> Archive Editions are available here http://eepurl.com/PGkTz
>>
>> If you are not subscribed you can do so here. http://eepurl.com/PpEYv
>>
>> If you want to submit or help write please let me know and join the
>> news-disc...@synhak.org email list.
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Justin
>>
>> PS: I hope to see everyone at the meeting tonight!
>>
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[SH-Discuss] SynHak Newsletter goes out!

[Justin Herman]

I posted the 2nd newsletter today. Here is a link http://eepurl.com/PGkTz
Archive Editions are available here http://eepurl.com/PGkTz

If you are not subscribed you can do so here. http://eepurl.com/PpEYv

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Thanks!

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[SH-Discuss] Fwd: Stewing at the Meeting 3/4

[Michael Griesacker]

sent this to announce this morning, but looks like somebody has a day
job

-- Forwarded message --
From: Michael Griesacker 
Date: Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:26 AM
Subject: Stewing at the Meeting 3/4
To: annou...@synhak.org


I will be bringing a pot of venison stew tonight for anyone who would like
to try it, I can't gaurantee there will be enough for all, but it will be a
mushroom base, and have  meat/vegetables in it.  -bring your own
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Summer 2014 open house

[Justin Herman]

Maybe we use the Space-Giving for the last one of the year?

The September 6th might be difficult as it is near labor day. Unless we
like that. Having it around the start of school is a great way to get the
UA area involved!

Great Ideas lets keep them rolling!


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Philip P. Patnode wrote:

> Let's do an Open House on the first Saturday of the month, in March, June,
> September, and December.
>
> March 1st - done!
>
> June 7th - start planning
>
> September 6th - end of summer
>
> December 6th - buried in snow
>
> Open House events are a very good way to attract new members and
> supporters.  Plus, if it is advertised properly, the event will keep SH in
> the news.  That is is good thing, as Martha would say.
>
> I will be happy to help plan any of the upcoming SH events.  Might even
> rent a tux and pretend to be the official greeter at the front door.
>
> Philip
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Torrie Fischer 
> wrote:
>
>> Any thoughts about a summer open house? I think we could possibly do these
>> things quarterly, if not twice a year.
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[Philip P. Patnode]

Let's do an Open House on the first Saturday of the month, in March, June,
September, and December.

March 1st - done!

June 7th - start planning

September 6th - end of summer

December 6th - buried in snow

Open House events are a very good way to attract new members and
supporters.  Plus, if it is advertised properly, the event will keep SH in
the news.  That is is good thing, as Martha would say.

I will be happy to help plan any of the upcoming SH events.  Might even
rent a tux and pretend to be the official greeter at the front door.

Philip





On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Torrie Fischer wrote:

> Any thoughts about a summer open house? I think we could possibly do these
> things quarterly, if not twice a year.
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Re: [SH-Discuss] The Bucket System

[Philip P. Patnode]

Living outside the box gives me an advantage to think differently.

If only I could convince my GF to join me outside.

I miss the box.

The cats, not so much.


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Byron Moran  wrote:

> Phillip you have an incredible knack for thinking outside of the box.
> That's an awesome idea.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Philip P. Patnode wrote:
>
>> The PERFECT container - empty cat litter buckets!
>>
>> If everybody who has a cat (or knows of a cat owner) and uses cat litter
>> bought in a plastic bucket (ie = Purina Tidy Cats in a 20# bucket), we
>> could have a 30 or 40 bucket system installed along the wall in a month.
>>
>> Here is a very small (9kb) image of the bucket =
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>> Cats love to poop and their caretakers (aka owners) are under
>> instructions from the primary cat to remove the solids on a daily basis,
>> necessitating more litter or a complete change in the box.
>>
>> The advantages of using empty cat litter buckets =
>>
>> 1.  free
>>
>> 2.  clean - free from oil, grease, organic waste, raccoon fur
>>
>> 3.  has a lid
>>
>> 4.  has a handle
>>
>> 5  did I mention free?
>>
>> Just a suggestion.
>>
>> Philip
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Tomm Smith  wrote:
>>
>>> I have began to contact manufacturing plants around the area to try and
>>> locate some totes. I have been keeping the dimensions general, with a
>>> specific trigger of a dimension of about 1'x1'x1 1/2'.
>>>
>>> I also had some ideas for "fantastic contraptions" that would allow for
>>> the storage totes to be stored over head or on motorized spindle racks on
>>> the wall. It would give more floor space while allowing more storage, but
>>> would require a bit of serious engineering to ensure safety and
>>> functionality. Just some brainstorming ideas for down the road though.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 4:37 PM, a l  wrote:
>>>
 We could also implement a drawer based system similar to the Lehigh
 hackerspace
 http://hackaday.com/2013/03/19/hackerspace-intro-make-lehigh-valley/


 On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 8:08 AM, Philip P. Patnode 
 wrote:

> FYI
>
> Any decent size restaurant or caterer uses and discards more than a
> few round and square buckets every day.
>
> Just ask the chief cook and bottle washer to save them for a few days
> and pick up the pile.
>
> In less than two weeks, several shelves could be filled with
> overflowing buckets of good junk.
>
> Stick to one source and get identical buckets, as in the photos on the
> link Tomm attached.
>
> Don't forget to say 'thank you' to the supplier with a couple of 40oz
> beers.
>
> Philip
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 7:12 AM, Andrew Buczko <
> a4s...@dsprototyping.com> wrote:
>
>> That looks cool!
>>-Derpy Approves-
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Tomm Smith wrote:
>>
>>> TD,
>>> We could possibly make some calls to local industrial plants and
>>> inquire as to if they have buckets about what we need or similar that 
>>> their
>>> raw materials come in and possibly try to claim there disposal?
>>>
>>> Tomm Smith
>>> God bless
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 7:45 PM, Torrie Fischer <
>>> tdfisc...@hackerbots.net> wrote:
>>>
 From Diyode, an incredibly cheap solution to sorting parts:

 http://www.diyode.com/2014/02/the-bucket-system/

 Anyone know of a similar way to acquire such buckets or storage
 units for
 free?
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Sincerely, Tomm Smith
>>> God bless
>>>
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>
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>
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> (330

Re: [SH-Discuss] The Bucket System

[Byron Moran]

Phillip you have an incredible knack for thinking outside of the box.
That's an awesome idea.


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Philip P. Patnode wrote:

> The PERFECT container - empty cat litter buckets!
>
> If everybody who has a cat (or knows of a cat owner) and uses cat litter
> bought in a plastic bucket (ie = Purina Tidy Cats in a 20# bucket), we
> could have a 30 or 40 bucket system installed along the wall in a month.
>
> Here is a very small (9kb) image of the bucket =
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> Cats love to poop and their caretakers (aka owners) are under instructions
> from the primary cat to remove the solids on a daily basis, necessitating
> more litter or a complete change in the box.
>
> The advantages of using empty cat litter buckets =
>
> 1.  free
>
> 2.  clean - free from oil, grease, organic waste, raccoon fur
>
> 3.  has a lid
>
> 4.  has a handle
>
> 5  did I mention free?
>
> Just a suggestion.
>
> Philip
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Tomm Smith  wrote:
>
>> I have began to contact manufacturing plants around the area to try and
>> locate some totes. I have been keeping the dimensions general, with a
>> specific trigger of a dimension of about 1'x1'x1 1/2'.
>>
>> I also had some ideas for "fantastic contraptions" that would allow for
>> the storage totes to be stored over head or on motorized spindle racks on
>> the wall. It would give more floor space while allowing more storage, but
>> would require a bit of serious engineering to ensure safety and
>> functionality. Just some brainstorming ideas for down the road though.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 4:37 PM, a l  wrote:
>>
>>> We could also implement a drawer based system similar to the Lehigh
>>> hackerspace
>>> http://hackaday.com/2013/03/19/hackerspace-intro-make-lehigh-valley/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 8:08 AM, Philip P. Patnode wrote:
>>>
 FYI

 Any decent size restaurant or caterer uses and discards more than a few
 round and square buckets every day.

 Just ask the chief cook and bottle washer to save them for a few days
 and pick up the pile.

 In less than two weeks, several shelves could be filled with
 overflowing buckets of good junk.

 Stick to one source and get identical buckets, as in the photos on the
 link Tomm attached.

 Don't forget to say 'thank you' to the supplier with a couple of 40oz
 beers.

 Philip


 On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 7:12 AM, Andrew Buczko >>> > wrote:

> That looks cool!
>-Derpy Approves-
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Tomm Smith wrote:
>
>> TD,
>> We could possibly make some calls to local industrial plants and
>> inquire as to if they have buckets about what we need or similar that 
>> their
>> raw materials come in and possibly try to claim there disposal?
>>
>> Tomm Smith
>> God bless
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 7:45 PM, Torrie Fischer <
>> tdfisc...@hackerbots.net> wrote:
>>
>>> From Diyode, an incredibly cheap solution to sorting parts:
>>>
>>> http://www.diyode.com/2014/02/the-bucket-system/
>>>
>>> Anyone know of a similar way to acquire such buckets or storage
>>> units for
>>> free?
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>>
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>> God bless
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[SH-Discuss] photos by ppp from the open house 3/1/14

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All at SH -

Just uploaded another 29 photos to my Flickr account.  All photos were
taken at the Open House on Saturday, March 1, 2014.

Same link as last time = http://www.flickr.com/photos/119094119@N03/

There are forty-eight photos in the stream, so far.  More to come.

All the image files have been reduced in size from the original.  You may
print any of them - there are no restrictions or copyright on the images as
long as they are used for personal purposes.  The files should make a
decent 4x6 print

Twenty of the images have been printed to 4x6 and will be posted at SH on
the display wall in the Palm Room, next to the kitchen.

Enjoy!

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Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal discussion: Associate Members

[Torrie Fischer]

On Monday, March 03, 2014 21:29:44 Tomm Smith wrote:
> I agree with Torrie. I am not a member (yet) but am new to the community
> and in a situation where this would be a nice step to becoming a member. It
> would give the psych a certain feeling of acceptance to allow for new
> members to speak up a bit more and get to know the community better,
> quicker. The new member (given the resources) could then also have
> opportunity to prove there skills to the community making their acceptance
> much more likely and swift. Further from this it gives a very established,
> professional feeling to the new comer and welcomes them in, enriching
> within them to help build the community and be constructive and creative.
> One is more likely to buy an item, if they are given a sample at the front
> door.
> 
> Not to mention the availability this leaves for the website and digital
> infrastructure down the road. If the service hosting were to increase,
> associated members could then get a small webspace with limited priviledges
> and quite possibly a shell with limited priviledges. This small
> introductory corner would allow them the sandbox to prove their skills and
> begin to get a taste of what the SYNHAK community is, in and outside of the
> facilities. As Torrie was saying, these account types could also be tagged
> to an academic tracking system that allows members to know and check who
> has been safety trained to use what machines/tools and any concerns over
> such. This tagging system could also be used as a means to keep notes on
> the users and raise issues/concerns or honors/promotions of said associated
> member, to the members. With maturity and incorporation, I would agree
> quite strongly with Torrie about this being a rather foundational element
> of the beginning steps of becoming a member. The structure would then lead
> towards established professionalism, in turn then leading towards becoming
> a 501c down the road and contribution to advancing said facilities could
> benefit the (associated) members by tax exemption.

Sorry to reply twice to the same post, but this tagging/training system is 
implemented in spiff:

http://synhak.org/auth/

> 
> Just a few agreeances and thoughts.
> 
> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Torrie Fischer 
wrote:
> > On Monday, March 03, 2014 17:57:16 a l wrote:
> > > I didn't reply due to no concerns as the proposal is laid out here. I
> > 
> > guess
> > 
> > > my question is: Why? Why does someone want to become an associate
> > > member?
> > > Are they allowed some small storage? They can't be a keyholder since
> > > that
> > > is a privilege of membership, so it wouldn't grant them additonal access
> > 
> > to
> > 
> > > the space.  Perhaps I underestimate the draw of a completely arbitrary
> > > title.
> > > Since it doesn't really change much I have no reason to block it though.
> > 
> > It establishes a web of trust model within the space and provides a sense
> > of
> > belonging.
> > 
> > If some unknown guest is milling about, one can easily request what their
> > username is and figure out if they are someone that the community trusts
> > to be
> > at SYNHAK. By having a username, it also encourages them to use the
> > infrastructure on synhak.org more, namely the wiki.
> > 
> > Additionally, I'm sure there are quite a few people who would love to say
> > "I'm
> > a member of SYNHAK", especially visiting hackers. It gives a sense of
> > belonging.
> > 
> > For example, I'm not a full Council Member of Noisebridge. I am, however,
> > an
> > Associate Member. In a way, I am a part of the Noisebridge community more
> > than
> > someone who isn't an Associate Member. It gives me warm fuzzies. <3
> > 
> > > regards,
> > > Andrew L
> > > 
> > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Torrie Fischer
> > 
> > wrote:
> > > > No discussion on a mechanism that has the potential to prevent future
> > > > tension?
> > > > 
> > > > This makes me sad
> > > > 
> > > > :(
> > > > 
> > > > On Friday, February 28, 2014 10:29:34 Torrie Fischer wrote:
> > > > > I'd like to discuss the possibility of an additional class of
> > > > > members
> > > > 
> > > > based
> > > > 
> > > > > on the success I've seen of using it at Noisebridge. Right now,
> > > > > we've
> > > > > got
> > > > > just one class of members called Members. Some time ago, they
> > 
> > introduced
> > 
> > > > a
> > > > 
> > > > > second group called Associate Members. The procedure for becoming an
> > > > > associate member is pretty simple:
> > > > > 
> > > > > https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Membership#Associate_Members
> > > > > 
> > > > > Essentially, you create a User wiki page, find four sponsors (who
> > > > > are
> > > > 
> > > > other
> > > > 
> > > > > associate members or regular members), then add a category tag to
> > 
> > your
> > 
> > > > page.
> > > > 
> > > > > Associate members can't participate in governance or need to pay
> > 
> > dues,
> > 
> > > > but
> > > > 
> > > > > it does give a sense of belo

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal discussion: Associate Members

[Torrie Fischer]

On Tuesday, March 04, 2014 07:21:29 Omar Rassi wrote:
> Synhak is not an exclusive club, FTFY.
> 
> IMHO this more like an honor symbol. Those actively participate at Synhak
> the physical location and events and contribute without being an actual
> paying member are recognized as a Synhak associate (symbiote?). The way I
> read the proposal is that it doesn't change processes, still includes the
> vetting process, and removes exclusivity due to pay wall. Dont get me
> wrong, membership dues are what pays for Synhak's physical presence are
> extremely important and encouraged, but there are those who arent members
> that have added value to the space.

This is a good summary of the idea.

Nothing changes, but it allows us to recognize contributors within the 
community in a fair and distributed fashion without prodding them to fork over 
$35/mo.

> 
> On Mar 4, 2014 4:40 AM, "Andrew Buczko"  wrote:
> > Meh, seems kind of pointless to me, if you want to join just join. SynHak
> > is not an inclusive club.
> > 
> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:21 PM, Torrie Fischer 
wrote:
> >> On Mar 3, 2014 9:29 PM, Tomm Smith  wrote:
> >> > I agree with Torrie. I am not a member (yet) but am new to the
> >> 
> >> community and in a situation where this would be a nice step to becoming
> >> a
> >> member. It would give the psych a certain feeling of acceptance to allow
> >> for new members to speak up a bit more and get to know the community
> >> better, quicker. The new member (given the resources) could then also
> >> have
> >> opportunity to prove there skills to the community making their
> >> acceptance
> >> much more likely and swift. Further from this it gives a very
> >> established,
> >> professional feeling to the new comer and welcomes them in, enriching
> >> within them to help build the community and be constructive and creative.
> >> 
> >> > One is more likely to buy an item, if they are given a sample at the
> >> 
> >> front door.
> >> 
> >> > Not to mention the availability this leaves for the website and digital
> >> 
> >> infrastructure down the road. If the service hosting were to increase,
> >> associated members could then get a small webspace with limited
> >> priviledges
> >> and quite possibly a shell with limited priviledges. This small
> >> introductory corner would allow them the sandbox to prove their skills
> >> and
> >> begin to get a taste of what the SYNHAK community is, in and outside of
> >> the
> >> facilities. As Torrie was saying, these account types could also be
> >> tagged
> >> to an academic tracking system that allows members to know and check who
> >> has been safety trained to use what machines/tools and any concerns over
> >> such. This tagging system could also be used as a means to keep notes on
> >> the users and raise issues/concerns or honors/promotions of said
> >> associated
> >> member, to the members. With maturity and incorporation, I would agree
> >> quite strongly with Torrie about this being a rather foundational element
> >> of the beginning steps of becoming a member. The structure would then
> >> lead
> >> towards established professionalism, in turn then leading towards
> >> becoming
> >> a 501c down the road and contribution to advancing said facilities could
> >> benefit the (associated) members by tax exemption.
> >> 
> >> Em, you mean turn SH into a 501c3? Cuz we already are.
> >> 
> >> http://static.synhak.org/documents/bizops/501c3-letter.pdf
> >> 
> >> > Just a few agreeances and thoughts.
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Torrie Fischer <
> >> 
> >> tdfisc...@hackerbots.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Monday, March 03, 2014 17:57:16 a l wrote:
> >> >> > I didn't reply due to no concerns as the proposal is laid out here.
> >> 
> >> I guess
> >> 
> >> >> > my question is: Why? Why does someone want to become an associate
> >> 
> >> member?
> >> 
> >> >> > Are they allowed some small storage? They can't be a keyholder since
> >> 
> >> that
> >> 
> >> >> > is a privilege of membership, so it wouldn't grant them additonal
> >> 
> >> access to
> >> 
> >> >> > the space.  Perhaps I underestimate the draw of a completely
> >> 
> >> arbitrary
> >> 
> >> >> > title.
> >> >> > Since it doesn't really change much I have no reason to block it
> >> 
> >> though.
> >> 
> >> >> It establishes a web of trust model within the space and provides a
> >> 
> >> sense of
> >> 
> >> >> belonging.
> >> >> 
> >> >> If some unknown guest is milling about, one can easily request what
> >> 
> >> their
> >> 
> >> >> username is and figure out if they are someone that the community
> >> 
> >> trusts to be
> >> 
> >> >> at SYNHAK. By having a username, it also encourages them to use the
> >> >> infrastructure on synhak.org more, namely the wiki.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Additionally, I'm sure there are quite a few people who would love to
> >> 
> >> say "I'm
> >> 
> >> >> a member of SYNHAK", especially visiting hackers. It gives a sense of
> >> >> belonging.
>

[SH-Discuss] Summer 2014 open house

[Torrie Fischer]

Any thoughts about a summer open house? I think we could possibly do these 
things quarterly, if not twice a year.
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Re: [SH-Discuss] The Bucket System

[Philip P. Patnode]

The PERFECT container - empty cat litter buckets!

If everybody who has a cat (or knows of a cat owner) and uses cat litter
bought in a plastic bucket (ie = Purina Tidy Cats in a 20# bucket), we
could have a 30 or 40 bucket system installed along the wall in a month.

Here is a very small (9kb) image of the bucket =
[image: Inline image 1]

Cats love to poop and their caretakers (aka owners) are under instructions
from the primary cat to remove the solids on a daily basis, necessitating
more litter or a complete change in the box.

The advantages of using empty cat litter buckets =

1.  free

2.  clean - free from oil, grease, organic waste, raccoon fur

3.  has a lid

4.  has a handle

5  did I mention free?

Just a suggestion.

Philip




On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Tomm Smith  wrote:

> I have began to contact manufacturing plants around the area to try and
> locate some totes. I have been keeping the dimensions general, with a
> specific trigger of a dimension of about 1'x1'x1 1/2'.
>
> I also had some ideas for "fantastic contraptions" that would allow for
> the storage totes to be stored over head or on motorized spindle racks on
> the wall. It would give more floor space while allowing more storage, but
> would require a bit of serious engineering to ensure safety and
> functionality. Just some brainstorming ideas for down the road though.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 4:37 PM, a l  wrote:
>
>> We could also implement a drawer based system similar to the Lehigh
>> hackerspace
>> http://hackaday.com/2013/03/19/hackerspace-intro-make-lehigh-valley/
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 8:08 AM, Philip P. Patnode wrote:
>>
>>> FYI
>>>
>>> Any decent size restaurant or caterer uses and discards more than a few
>>> round and square buckets every day.
>>>
>>> Just ask the chief cook and bottle washer to save them for a few days
>>> and pick up the pile.
>>>
>>> In less than two weeks, several shelves could be filled with overflowing
>>> buckets of good junk.
>>>
>>> Stick to one source and get identical buckets, as in the photos on the
>>> link Tomm attached.
>>>
>>> Don't forget to say 'thank you' to the supplier with a couple of 40oz
>>> beers.
>>>
>>> Philip
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 7:12 AM, Andrew Buczko 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 That looks cool!
-Derpy Approves-



 On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Tomm Smith wrote:

> TD,
> We could possibly make some calls to local industrial plants and
> inquire as to if they have buckets about what we need or similar that 
> their
> raw materials come in and possibly try to claim there disposal?
>
> Tomm Smith
> God bless
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 7:45 PM, Torrie Fischer <
> tdfisc...@hackerbots.net> wrote:
>
>> From Diyode, an incredibly cheap solution to sorting parts:
>>
>> http://www.diyode.com/2014/02/the-bucket-system/
>>
>> Anyone know of a similar way to acquire such buckets or storage units
>> for
>> free?
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Re: [SH-Discuss] REMINDER: Meeting tonight!

[Philip P. Patnode]

Look for more 4x6 photos from the 3/1/14 Open Hours event on the display
wall when you come to the meeting.

I am having prints made this afternoon and will bring about 20 new ones to
put up on the wall.

All the printed photos will have the corresponding digital file uploaded to
my Flickr account.

Look for a link to the gallery later today.

If you like a photo, feel free to copy and/or print it.

They are available for personal use without restriction or copyright.

Philip


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Torrie Fischer wrote:

> On Tuesday, March 04, 2014 08:26:32 Phong wrote:
> > Namaste, hakkers!
> >
> > Your friendly hackerspace robot Phong here, reminding everyone about
> > tonight's meeting:
> >
> > https://synhak.org/wiki/Meetings/2014-3-4
> >
> > It is at 7 PM, at 48 South Summit. Please visit the wiki for more
> > information.
>
> I will be bringing up the racks and subleased space for discussion.
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[SH-Discuss] HOLY UNLOCKED GARAGE DOOR BATMAN!

[Omar Rassi]

Howdy hackers,

I just left the space and while turning off the light in the garage doorway
I noticed the bolt was missing from the latch. This is a very big DO NOT DO
THAT in my book. Im not sure if everyone is aware but closing that latch
does not secure the door, two or three good pulls without the bolt inserted
will open the garage door. So in closing, if you are using the garage door
to load or unload anything, you must reinsert the bolt on the door latch
when finished or you leaving the space effectively unlocked.

Happy hacking,

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Re: [SH-Discuss] [drama] Re: Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Torrie Fischer]

On Monday, March 03, 2014 17:10:20 a l wrote:
> Thanks Chris for listing some of the logic behind our infrastructure. I
> think much of the frustration/confusion by the people who haven't built the
> IT comes from not knowing the reasoning behind why things are the way they
> are. I know there had been a short list of requirements before for what the
> IT folk wanted in a service provider/site host service.
> To the non-initiated some of it seemed like overkill and 'because we want
> it' rather than absolute necessity or growth factor.
> I know very little about IT infrastructure and would not end up maintaining
> anything so I decided to leave it to people who were maintaining it. Ease
> of use is occasionally worth the extra few bucks(to a point), and I
> appreciate the fact that all of this is maintained in peoples free time.
> 
> Torrie: No one is accusing you of purposefully mismanaging or overspending
> SynHak funds. The concern(as far as I have heard/read) was simply that we
> have been using AWS for quite some time so it was unlikely anyone had
> surveyed the market for a better deal. Like I said, ease of use for
> maintenance can be a deciding factor, as well as Chris's host of legal
> complaints against certain providers but not everyone is aware of these
> 'common knowledge facts'. Please consider this in your responses.
> I agree we have had an increase in bureaucracy in recent months, we have
> also had more traffic, more risk, and significantly more money than in the
> previous year. Hackerspaces are new territory for everyone so finding the
> balance will take some work by the community. There will always be a
> certain amount of red tape in order to satisfy our grant backers,
> insurers,  and the revenuers, minimizing it is a noble goal.
> I would question your statement about accusations of action in bad faith.
> There have been heated disagreements about direction and the best way to
> reach a goal, but I don't recall anyone accusing someone of sabotaging our
> mission.
> I also disagree that anyone is avoiding open conversation. We have 20
> members, it is inevitable that some will not be present for every
> conversation. I myself have asked only a few people for their opinions
> about things when not everyone is present but I don't see that as avoiding
> open conversation.Am I mistaken in my belief? Is there some meeting at the
> bar every Saturday going on that I don't know about?
> 
> To all:
>  As I re-learned in my critique of build methods, if you don't provide an
> alternative with your criticism people take it as an attack. I would
> encourage everyone to be as constructive as possible in their criticism
> when giving it, and to remember that the person critiquing is probably not
> intending to attack you personally when you receive criticism.

This is the number one source of the tension at the space lately. I can 
remember a number of times during the buildout phase where I asked where 
something can fit and was immediately given a hostile response of "You can't 
put it in my space." as though I was intending on steamrolling them and 
undoing all of their contributions, nevermind the idea that there existed a 
thought of ownership of areas.

I responded with "Ok, but thats not what I asked. I'm asking for suggestions."

> 
> regards,
> Andrew L
> 
> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Torrie Fischer 
wrote:
> > On Monday, March 03, 2014 14:16:14 Craig Bergdorf wrote:
> > > Justin: linking to the collective via vpn has been on my todo list for 6
> > > months now.  I'm waiting on a discussion on our ISP. Considering it's
> > > available for little to none additional $/mo I would like to have native
> > > ipv6 and a dedicated ip for outside vpn connections if for no other
> > 
> > reason
> > 
> > > than to not be teased by the other hackerspaces :)
> > > 
> > > Torrie:
> > > Way to much lately people ask for an opinion and if decent is spoken
> > 
> > their
> > 
> > > opinion is immediately dismissed as 'well your just wrong' or 'you just
> > > have a problem with everything'.  I can't count how many times you have
> > > been on each side of these skirmishes lately.
> > 
> > You're completely right. I've been a total bitch about quite a few things.
> > I
> > will make no attempt to excuse my behavior, except that I may have
> > differing
> > opinions about the difference between being excellent and railing against
> > pressure points that others have described to me.
> > 
> > > imo: Synhak is not a rock, it is a plyable and ever growing entity
> > > moving
> > > from the combined will of its members, supporters, and anyone else who
> > > wants to contribute.  When that majority changes flavors, by design,
> > 
> > SynHak
> > 
> > > changes with it.  It must sting to not be in the majority on all issue
> > > anymore, and I can't fathom how it must feel to see your baby grow up to
> > 
> > be
> > 
> > > a lawyer, but how is anyone qualified to say "you dont get the culture".
> > > 
> > 

Re: [SH-Discuss] Equipment to donate

[Martin Pinkston]

Hello Carol,
If you wish, I can probably come over an evening or two and help you clear out 
the garage.
I have a pick up and am usually free in the evenings.
Feel free to give me call,
330-389-1091

Take Care & Have fun Always.
Martin Pinkston RN

On Mar 3, 2014, at 10:56, "Carol Saniuk"  wrote:

> I have inherited a garage full of tools, handyman items, old electrical 
> items, screws, wood etc. I don’t want to throw it out…can you find people who 
> might need these items?
> Carol Saniuk
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Torrie Fischer]

On Tuesday, March 04, 2014 09:32:18 Omar Rassi wrote:
> As far as the proposal at hand, what Torrie is proposing is that we reduce
> our expenses on infrastructure we're already using by purchasing it ahead
> of time. Currently we're doing a pay as you go on our AWS instances, this
> could potentially lead to a high bill if one month sees much higher traffic
> to our website, or major I/O due to a website rewrite/glitch, a hacker
> spins up a server to play with, or any number of things. The point is that
> our online infrastructure is currently written for and uses AWS. The cost
> goes up when we use more power than we're currently buying. Think of it
> like a mobile phone plan: You go over your minutes, you're charged an extra
> fee on top of the monthly charge. Torrie is proposing that we prepay our
> minutes before we use them.

This is an excellent description.

> 
> Justin, there is nothing wrong with your argument, we're all about
> exploring other options. However, the options you're proposing requires a
> bit more involvement (I.E. building the hardware, moving the code, testing
> the code, upgrading the service plan we have, finding a co-lo everyone can
> be agree on, maintaining the hardware if there's a problem) and while
> that's great and could have many benefits, but all of Synhak runs on
> volunteer time. If the website goes down due to a hardware issue, it has to
> wait for any of us to get out of work, determine the issue, fish around the
> basement hoping we have the replacement part and if not order it and then
> wait for it come in and then install and hope there isn't another factor
> involved. Under AWS, the possibility of a hardware failure does not exist
> and according the accounting, we can afford it and this proposal actually
> saves us cash on that unnecessary point of failure. We can continue to
> discuss other hosting options as time goes on, taking the time to calmly
> gather information and data in our spare time, and explore the subject.
> 
> Torrie, I think the biggest issue with discuss@ is that your personality
> and mannerism doesn't come across on text or en masse, so it sounds more
> abrasive than it actually is. I find that one on one conversation with you
> is extremely productive. There aren't any questions about your ability or
> integrity with managing Synhak's coffers, its why we the membership voted
> you as our treasurer.

Thank you for the perspective, Omar.

> 
> Justin, Torrie is doing her due diligence as both the treasurer and the
> person who primarily built synhak's AWS infrastructure. She is intimately
> familiar with the details to make a sound proposal of this kind. Her
> questioning of your responses isn't resistance to your idea, its simply a
> request to review your figures with Torrie's so that the better option can
> be chosen.
> 
> All of the above is simply my honest opinion.
> 
> Cheers,
> Omar
> 
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Torrie Fischer 
wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 04, 2014 04:30:46 Andrew Buczko wrote:
> > > Torrie,
> > > 
> > > I don't have time to read your "novels". Please keep your post simple
> > > and
> > > to the point.
> > 
> > I do realize that I write a lot and try to work towards smaller e-mails
> > that
> > still contain the important details. I also find it impossible that anyone
> > could come to a conclusion about someone's mail without completely reading
> > the
> > message.
> > 
> > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:37 AM, Andrew Buczko
> > 
> > wrote:
> > > > Ok
> > > > Thanks Chris, that makes more sense when you say it that way.
> > > > 
> > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Chris Egeland
> > 
> > wrote:
> > > >>  I'm sorry, but I'm siding with Torrie on this one.
> > > >> 
> > > >> On 3/3/2014 11:35 AM, Justin Herman wrote:
> > > >>  I agree with Andrew,
> > > >>  
> > > >>  I hold several concerns about this proposal and think we need to
> > > >> 
> > > >> evaluate the needs of the infrastructure.
> > > >> 
> > > >> The purpose of bringing up proposals on the discuss list is so that
> > > >> anyone subscribed can participate in the proposal process, member or
> > 
> > not.
> > 
> > > >> If you wish to discuss your proposals, please bring them up on the
> > 
> > list
> > 
> > > >> so
> > > >> that people subscribed can participate in the discussion.
> > > >> 
> > > >>  On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Andrew Buczko <
> > 
> > a4s...@dsprototyping.com
> > 
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >>> WAT?
> > > >>> 
> > > >>>  first you said it was $1.60
> > > >>>  
> > > >>   This was the monthly increase in billing to more than quadruple our
> > > >> 
> > > >> infrastructure's power, by implementing the original proposal.
> > > >> 
> > > >>   Then $16.40
> > > >>   
> > > >>   This is the monthly savings we will see if we implement this
> > 
> > proposal
> > 
> > > >> and spend the $200 mentioned to reserve the t1.micro instances
> > 
> > mentioned.
> > 
> > > >>   Now it's $123.10
> > > >>   
> > > >>   This was a hypothetical n

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Omar Rassi]

As far as the proposal at hand, what Torrie is proposing is that we reduce
our expenses on infrastructure we're already using by purchasing it ahead
of time. Currently we're doing a pay as you go on our AWS instances, this
could potentially lead to a high bill if one month sees much higher traffic
to our website, or major I/O due to a website rewrite/glitch, a hacker
spins up a server to play with, or any number of things. The point is that
our online infrastructure is currently written for and uses AWS. The cost
goes up when we use more power than we're currently buying. Think of it
like a mobile phone plan: You go over your minutes, you're charged an extra
fee on top of the monthly charge. Torrie is proposing that we prepay our
minutes before we use them.

Justin, there is nothing wrong with your argument, we're all about
exploring other options. However, the options you're proposing requires a
bit more involvement (I.E. building the hardware, moving the code, testing
the code, upgrading the service plan we have, finding a co-lo everyone can
be agree on, maintaining the hardware if there's a problem) and while
that's great and could have many benefits, but all of Synhak runs on
volunteer time. If the website goes down due to a hardware issue, it has to
wait for any of us to get out of work, determine the issue, fish around the
basement hoping we have the replacement part and if not order it and then
wait for it come in and then install and hope there isn't another factor
involved. Under AWS, the possibility of a hardware failure does not exist
and according the accounting, we can afford it and this proposal actually
saves us cash on that unnecessary point of failure. We can continue to
discuss other hosting options as time goes on, taking the time to calmly
gather information and data in our spare time, and explore the subject.

Torrie, I think the biggest issue with discuss@ is that your personality
and mannerism doesn't come across on text or en masse, so it sounds more
abrasive than it actually is. I find that one on one conversation with you
is extremely productive. There aren't any questions about your ability or
integrity with managing Synhak's coffers, its why we the membership voted
you as our treasurer.

Justin, Torrie is doing her due diligence as both the treasurer and the
person who primarily built synhak's AWS infrastructure. She is intimately
familiar with the details to make a sound proposal of this kind. Her
questioning of your responses isn't resistance to your idea, its simply a
request to review your figures with Torrie's so that the better option can
be chosen.

All of the above is simply my honest opinion.

Cheers,
Omar


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Torrie Fischer wrote:

> On Tuesday, March 04, 2014 04:30:46 Andrew Buczko wrote:
> > Torrie,
> >
> > I don't have time to read your "novels". Please keep your post simple and
> > to the point.
>
> I do realize that I write a lot and try to work towards smaller e-mails
> that
> still contain the important details. I also find it impossible that anyone
> could come to a conclusion about someone's mail without completely reading
> the
> message.
>
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:37 AM, Andrew Buczko
> wrote:
> > > Ok
> > > Thanks Chris, that makes more sense when you say it that way.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Chris Egeland
> wrote:
> > >>  I'm sorry, but I'm siding with Torrie on this one.
> > >>
> > >> On 3/3/2014 11:35 AM, Justin Herman wrote:
> > >>  I agree with Andrew,
> > >>
> > >>  I hold several concerns about this proposal and think we need to
> > >>
> > >> evaluate the needs of the infrastructure.
> > >>
> > >> The purpose of bringing up proposals on the discuss list is so that
> > >> anyone subscribed can participate in the proposal process, member or
> not.
> > >> If you wish to discuss your proposals, please bring them up on the
> list
> > >> so
> > >> that people subscribed can participate in the discussion.
> > >>
> > >>  On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Andrew Buczko <
> a4s...@dsprototyping.com
> > >>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >>> WAT?
> > >>>
> > >>>  first you said it was $1.60
> > >>>
> > >>   This was the monthly increase in billing to more than quadruple our
> > >>
> > >> infrastructure's power, by implementing the original proposal.
> > >>
> > >>   Then $16.40
> > >>
> > >>   This is the monthly savings we will see if we implement this
> proposal
> > >>
> > >> and spend the $200 mentioned to reserve the t1.micro instances
> mentioned.
> > >>
> > >>   Now it's $123.10
> > >>
> > >>   This was a hypothetical number.  It's the monthly cost of the
> > >>
> > >> originally proposed infrastructure (2x t1.micro, 2x m1.small, and 1x
> > >> m1.small RDS) purchased without reservations, minus the monthly cost
> of
> > >> the
> > >> same infrastructure purchased with monthly reservations.  It was given
> > >> simply to illustrate how much of a monthly savings is available when
> > >> utilizing the AWS Reserved 

Re: [SH-Discuss] Grant money

[gs volt]

I did thank them on twitter:
https://twitter.com/gsvolt/status/438161726345711616

ACF did favorite my tweet

Jennifer is no longer with Knight Foundation. If we send a printed thank
you letter, we can address it to Meredith Hector who at this time is the
Interim Akron Program Director, with same mailing address.


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:11 AM,  wrote:

> Did anyone follow through with the Akron Community Foundation's list of
> press release material?
>
> http://akroncf.org/Nonprofits/FormsResources/PromoteYourGrant.aspx
>
> The URL was on our letter:
>
> http://i.imgur.com/l5Xnoq7.jpg
>
> If not I feel this should be priority number one, we need to show them we
> appreciate their contribution.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Devin
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Equipment to donate

[Chris Egeland]

They were not subscribed last I checked.  I manually approved the post
so that others could see it.  Sorry for not posting something about that.

Chris

On 3/4/2014 9:00 AM, degerov...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Is this person subscribed to the list? If not I would like to contact
> them personally and meet up to evaluate if we have a use for them. If
> not us, then makers alliance or canhax, as well as many local makers
> that cannot afford proper tools.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Devin
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
>
>
> 
> *From: * Omar Rassi ;
> *To: * SYN/HAK discussion list ;
> *Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] Equipment to donate
> *Sent: * Tue, Mar 4, 2014 12:32:25 PM
>
> Bring it on in! How much volume are you talking about? Small
> truckload? Backseat of a van-load? Also do you need a donation receipt?
>
> Devin is there anything the shop could use/missing? If we're well
> stocked on handy tools it could be communally hackable and consumables
> are always awesome.
>
> On Mar 3, 2014 4:17 PM, "Carol Saniuk"  > wrote:
>
> I have inherited a garage full of tools, handyman items, old
> electrical items, screws, wood etc. I don't want to throw it
> out...can you find people who might need these items?
>
> Carol Saniuk
>
>
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Grant money

[degerov...@yahoo.com]

I was talking more about their protocol for press releases. 

Devin.

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Re: [SH-Discuss] Equipment to donate

[degerov...@yahoo.com]

Is this person subscribed to the list? If not I would like to contact them 
personally and meet up to evaluate if we have a use for them. If not us, then 
makers alliance or canhax, as well as many local makers that cannot afford 
proper tools.

Thanks,

Devin

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Re: [SH-Discuss] REMINDER: Meeting tonight!

[Torrie Fischer]

On Tuesday, March 04, 2014 08:26:32 Phong wrote:
> Namaste, hakkers!
> 
> Your friendly hackerspace robot Phong here, reminding everyone about
> tonight's meeting:
> 
> https://synhak.org/wiki/Meetings/2014-3-4
> 
> It is at 7 PM, at 48 South Summit. Please visit the wiki for more
> information.

I will be bringing up the racks and subleased space for discussion.
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Grant money

[Torrie Fischer]

On Monday, March 03, 2014 21:11:16 degerov...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Did anyone follow through with the Akron Community Foundation's list of
> press release material?
> 
> http://akroncf.org/Nonprofits/FormsResources/PromoteYourGrant.aspx
> 
> The URL was on our letter:
> 
> http://i.imgur.com/l5Xnoq7.jpg
> 
> If not I feel this should be priority number one, we need to show them we
> appreciate their contribution.
> 
> Thanks,
> Devin

Yes, I mailed out a response last Friday that Chris and Andy conjured up. I 
should've mentioned that to bizops@, though I did tell Chris and Andy about it 
in mail.
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Torrie Fischer]

On Tuesday, March 04, 2014 04:30:46 Andrew Buczko wrote:
> Torrie,
> 
> I don't have time to read your "novels". Please keep your post simple and
> to the point.

I do realize that I write a lot and try to work towards smaller e-mails that 
still contain the important details. I also find it impossible that anyone 
could come to a conclusion about someone's mail without completely reading the 
message.

> 
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:37 AM, Andrew Buczko 
wrote:
> > Ok
> > Thanks Chris, that makes more sense when you say it that way.
> > 
> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Chris Egeland 
wrote:
> >>  I'm sorry, but I'm siding with Torrie on this one.
> >> 
> >> On 3/3/2014 11:35 AM, Justin Herman wrote:
> >>  I agree with Andrew,
> >>  
> >>  I hold several concerns about this proposal and think we need to
> >> 
> >> evaluate the needs of the infrastructure.
> >> 
> >> The purpose of bringing up proposals on the discuss list is so that
> >> anyone subscribed can participate in the proposal process, member or not.
> >> If you wish to discuss your proposals, please bring them up on the list
> >> so
> >> that people subscribed can participate in the discussion.
> >> 
> >>  On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Andrew Buczko  >>  
> >> > wrote:
> >>> WAT?
> >>> 
> >>>  first you said it was $1.60
> >>>  
> >>   This was the monthly increase in billing to more than quadruple our
> >> 
> >> infrastructure's power, by implementing the original proposal.
> >> 
> >>   Then $16.40
> >>   
> >>   This is the monthly savings we will see if we implement this proposal
> >> 
> >> and spend the $200 mentioned to reserve the t1.micro instances mentioned.
> >> 
> >>   Now it's $123.10
> >>   
> >>   This was a hypothetical number.  It's the monthly cost of the
> >> 
> >> originally proposed infrastructure (2x t1.micro, 2x m1.small, and 1x
> >> m1.small RDS) purchased without reservations, minus the monthly cost of
> >> the
> >> same infrastructure purchased with monthly reservations.  It was given
> >> simply to illustrate how much of a monthly savings is available when
> >> utilizing the AWS Reserved Instances program.  This number has absolutely
> >> nothing to do whatsoever with this current proposal.
> >> 
> >>>  ?
> >>>  
> >>>  
> >>>  
> >>>  On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Torrie Fischer <
> >>> 
> >>> tdfisc...@hackerbots.net> wrote:
>  Previous thread:
>  
>  https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February/003393.html
>  
>  I'd like to propose that we spend $200 to reserve the two t1.micro
>  instances
>  in that proposal for the purpose of web servers.
>  
>  Our current AWS expenditure is still ~$80/mo. Spending $200 up front
>  will
>  reduce that bill by $16.40/mo and keep our infrastructure expenses low
>  for the
>  next three years. Thats an extra $16.40 we can invest elsewhere with a
>  break
>  even point of 12 months.
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Re: [SH-Discuss] The leased racks

[Torrie Fischer]

On Tuesday, March 04, 2014 04:38:02 Andrew Buczko wrote:
> " I'd be more than happy to sit down with you and show the accounting that
> shows we aren't broke."
> 
> Sit down? Torie you spent a good two weeks running around like
> a chicken with it's head cut off saying that our bills where going to be
> +$600 a month and that you wanted to Bleed it from the base members by
> raising the base membership dues.

Weird. I'm pretty sure I never once said we couldn't afford it. I even made 
some nice (and thoroughly confusing) reports during meetings that explained 
how we were going to absorb any massive expense like a $600 gas bill. I really 
don't want to try and find it in the meeting minutes, but here is the master 
budget I've kept:

  http://i.imgur.com/qgqIC53.png

If the gnucash accounting records didn't include sensitive information such as 
when members paid their dues, who is behind on dues, etc, I'd give you a copy 
of that. I'm more than happy to show you that in person though.

> 
>  transparent? ok then I want to see copies of our utility bills.

Certainly!

February Gas bill: 
  http://i.imgur.com/V9l1jJK.png

January Gas bill:
  
https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/attachments/20140205/1d901fdf/attachment-0003.pdf

February Trash bill:
  http://i.imgur.com/1u7w7pc.png

I have not yet received a water or electric bill for January due to the 
landlord not responding to Devin yet:
  https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-February/000115.html

I'm assuming that our Februrary electric bill is on its way and might show up 
today:
  https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-February/95.html

However, the online payment system looks like this for February:
  http://i.imgur.com/mdcZfM0.png

I haven't gotten a bill for the internet yet, and here's why:
  https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-March/000117.html

But, here's our monthly rate for it:
  http://static.synhak.org/documents/bizops/twc/contract-2012.pdf

January AWS bill:
  http://i.imgur.com/hpg2lRz.png

February AWS bill:
  http://i.imgur.com/lBgSm9h.png

Our rent is a static $500/mo.

The only reason I don't consistently publicize those is because I don't think 
the benefit of keeping anything more than three months of paper copies 
outweighs the disk space, time spent scanning, etc.

Anything else you'd like to see?

> 
> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 5:17 PM, a l  wrote:
> > I was under the apparently misinformed impression that this had been
> > brought up as a proper proposal. This needs to be rectified posthaste. As
> > Torrie brought up changes to the way SynHak operates need to be approved
> > by
> > member and/or board consensus.As Omar correctly brought up any legal
> > agreement with SynHak needs to be on file to ensure obligations are being
> > met.
> > 
> > regards,
> > Andrew L
> > 
> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Craig Bergdorf  wrote:
> >> it wasn't meant like that (didn't think of it like that until you
> >> mentioned it - thanks), I was just trying to ram home the point that the
> >> offer was not one made to take advantage of the space in their time of
> >> need
> >> for personal gain, but to help the space as much as possible, and at the
> >> time most donations took place, it required a lot of goodwill towards and
> >> belief in the space to continue donating after (imo) being blasted for
> >> doing so repeatedly.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Torrie Fischer  >> 
> >> > wrote:
> >>> On Monday, March 03, 2014 11:50:03 Craig Bergdorf wrote:
> >>> > If i may help summarize the mood as I saw it at the time for those in
> >>> 
> >>> the
> >>> 
> >>> > back,
> >>> > 
> >>> > 48 is still very new, with double the space and a seemingly never
> >>> 
> >>> ending
> >>> 
> >>> > list of projects: member's money is flying out the doors with no end
> >>> > in
> >>> > sight, the saying 'give till it hurts, then come back tomorrow' feels
> >>> 
> >>> like
> >>> 
> >>> > it should be the motto.  The word from the treasurer is "we're broke -
> >>> > doubt we can afford heat, give me a receipt and i'll  (magic?)",
> >>> 
> >>> and
> >>> 
> >>> > the calender relentlessly approaches opening day.
> >>> 
> >>> The original estimation about heat was $900 based on the only
> >>> information I
> >>> knew about our MCF rate. It ended up being around $100. I'd be more than
> >>> happy
> >>> to sit down with you and show the accounting that shows we aren't broke.
> >>> I
> >>> would not be setting lofty goals of the original $1200 membership
> >>> credit, $50
> >>> monthly maintenance budget, $150 buildout budget, etc if we were
> >>> desperately
> >>> seeking funds.
> >>> 
> >>> I'm not sure where you've gotten the idea that we are or ever were
> >>> broke. When
> >>> I started working on the accounting I (imho) had been very transparent
> >>> and
> >>> consistently reiterated that we in fact have a lot more funds than was
> >>> previously reported with plenty of evidence. I admit that the evidence
> >>> was a
> >>> bit

[SH-Discuss] REMINDER: Meeting tonight!

[Phong]

Namaste, hakkers!

Your friendly hackerspace robot Phong here, reminding everyone about tonight's 
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Equipment to donate

[Omar Rassi]

Bring it on in! How much volume are you talking about? Small truckload?
Backseat of a van-load? Also do you need a donation receipt?

Devin is there anything the shop could use/missing? If we're well stocked
on handy tools it could be communally hackable and consumables are always
awesome.
On Mar 3, 2014 4:17 PM, "Carol Saniuk"  wrote:

> I have inherited a garage full of tools, handyman items, old electrical
> items, screws, wood etc. I don't want to throw it out...can you find people
> who might need these items?
>
> Carol Saniuk
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal discussion: Associate Members

[Omar Rassi]

Synhak is not an exclusive club, FTFY.

IMHO this more like an honor symbol. Those actively participate at Synhak
the physical location and events and contribute without being an actual
paying member are recognized as a Synhak associate (symbiote?). The way I
read the proposal is that it doesn't change processes, still includes the
vetting process, and removes exclusivity due to pay wall. Dont get me
wrong, membership dues are what pays for Synhak's physical presence are
extremely important and encouraged, but there are those who arent members
that have added value to the space.
On Mar 4, 2014 4:40 AM, "Andrew Buczko"  wrote:

> Meh, seems kind of pointless to me, if you want to join just join. SynHak
> is not an inclusive club.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:21 PM, Torrie Fischer 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2014 9:29 PM, Tomm Smith  wrote:
>> >
>> > I agree with Torrie. I am not a member (yet) but am new to the
>> community and in a situation where this would be a nice step to becoming a
>> member. It would give the psych a certain feeling of acceptance to allow
>> for new members to speak up a bit more and get to know the community
>> better, quicker. The new member (given the resources) could then also have
>> opportunity to prove there skills to the community making their acceptance
>> much more likely and swift. Further from this it gives a very established,
>> professional feeling to the new comer and welcomes them in, enriching
>> within them to help build the community and be constructive and creative.
>> > One is more likely to buy an item, if they are given a sample at the
>> front door.
>> >
>> > Not to mention the availability this leaves for the website and digital
>> infrastructure down the road. If the service hosting were to increase,
>> associated members could then get a small webspace with limited priviledges
>> and quite possibly a shell with limited priviledges. This small
>> introductory corner would allow them the sandbox to prove their skills and
>> begin to get a taste of what the SYNHAK community is, in and outside of the
>> facilities. As Torrie was saying, these account types could also be tagged
>> to an academic tracking system that allows members to know and check who
>> has been safety trained to use what machines/tools and any concerns over
>> such. This tagging system could also be used as a means to keep notes on
>> the users and raise issues/concerns or honors/promotions of said associated
>> member, to the members. With maturity and incorporation, I would agree
>> quite strongly with Torrie about this being a rather foundational element
>> of the beginning steps of becoming a member. The structure would then lead
>> towards established professionalism, in turn then leading towards becoming
>> a 501c down the road and contribution to advancing said facilities could
>> benefit the (associated) members by tax exemption.
>>
>> Em, you mean turn SH into a 501c3? Cuz we already are.
>>
>> http://static.synhak.org/documents/bizops/501c3-letter.pdf
>>
>> >
>> > Just a few agreeances and thoughts.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Torrie Fischer <
>> tdfisc...@hackerbots.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Monday, March 03, 2014 17:57:16 a l wrote:
>> >> > I didn't reply due to no concerns as the proposal is laid out here.
>> I guess
>> >> > my question is: Why? Why does someone want to become an associate
>> member?
>> >> > Are they allowed some small storage? They can't be a keyholder since
>> that
>> >> > is a privilege of membership, so it wouldn't grant them additonal
>> access to
>> >> > the space.  Perhaps I underestimate the draw of a completely
>> arbitrary
>> >> > title.
>> >> > Since it doesn't really change much I have no reason to block it
>> though.
>> >>
>> >> It establishes a web of trust model within the space and provides a
>> sense of
>> >> belonging.
>> >>
>> >> If some unknown guest is milling about, one can easily request what
>> their
>> >> username is and figure out if they are someone that the community
>> trusts to be
>> >> at SYNHAK. By having a username, it also encourages them to use the
>> >> infrastructure on synhak.org more, namely the wiki.
>> >>
>> >> Additionally, I'm sure there are quite a few people who would love to
>> say "I'm
>> >> a member of SYNHAK", especially visiting hackers. It gives a sense of
>> >> belonging.
>> >>
>> >> For example, I'm not a full Council Member of Noisebridge. I am,
>> however, an
>> >> Associate Member. In a way, I am a part of the Noisebridge community
>> more than
>> >> someone who isn't an Associate Member. It gives me warm fuzzies. <3
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > regards,
>> >> > Andrew L
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Torrie Fischer
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > > No discussion on a mechanism that has the potential to prevent
>> future
>> >> > > tension?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > This makes me sad
>> >> > >
>> >> > > :(
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Friday, February 28, 2014 10:29:34 Torrie 

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal discussion: Associate Members

[Andrew Buczko]

Meh, seems kind of pointless to me, if you want to join just join. SynHak
is not an inclusive club.


On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:21 PM, Torrie Fischer wrote:

>
> On Mar 3, 2014 9:29 PM, Tomm Smith  wrote:
> >
> > I agree with Torrie. I am not a member (yet) but am new to the community
> and in a situation where this would be a nice step to becoming a member. It
> would give the psych a certain feeling of acceptance to allow for new
> members to speak up a bit more and get to know the community better,
> quicker. The new member (given the resources) could then also have
> opportunity to prove there skills to the community making their acceptance
> much more likely and swift. Further from this it gives a very established,
> professional feeling to the new comer and welcomes them in, enriching
> within them to help build the community and be constructive and creative.
> > One is more likely to buy an item, if they are given a sample at the
> front door.
> >
> > Not to mention the availability this leaves for the website and digital
> infrastructure down the road. If the service hosting were to increase,
> associated members could then get a small webspace with limited priviledges
> and quite possibly a shell with limited priviledges. This small
> introductory corner would allow them the sandbox to prove their skills and
> begin to get a taste of what the SYNHAK community is, in and outside of the
> facilities. As Torrie was saying, these account types could also be tagged
> to an academic tracking system that allows members to know and check who
> has been safety trained to use what machines/tools and any concerns over
> such. This tagging system could also be used as a means to keep notes on
> the users and raise issues/concerns or honors/promotions of said associated
> member, to the members. With maturity and incorporation, I would agree
> quite strongly with Torrie about this being a rather foundational element
> of the beginning steps of becoming a member. The structure would then lead
> towards established professionalism, in turn then leading towards becoming
> a 501c down the road and contribution to advancing said facilities could
> benefit the (associated) members by tax exemption.
>
> Em, you mean turn SH into a 501c3? Cuz we already are.
>
> http://static.synhak.org/documents/bizops/501c3-letter.pdf
>
> >
> > Just a few agreeances and thoughts.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Torrie Fischer 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Monday, March 03, 2014 17:57:16 a l wrote:
> >> > I didn't reply due to no concerns as the proposal is laid out here. I
> guess
> >> > my question is: Why? Why does someone want to become an associate
> member?
> >> > Are they allowed some small storage? They can't be a keyholder since
> that
> >> > is a privilege of membership, so it wouldn't grant them additonal
> access to
> >> > the space.  Perhaps I underestimate the draw of a completely arbitrary
> >> > title.
> >> > Since it doesn't really change much I have no reason to block it
> though.
> >>
> >> It establishes a web of trust model within the space and provides a
> sense of
> >> belonging.
> >>
> >> If some unknown guest is milling about, one can easily request what
> their
> >> username is and figure out if they are someone that the community
> trusts to be
> >> at SYNHAK. By having a username, it also encourages them to use the
> >> infrastructure on synhak.org more, namely the wiki.
> >>
> >> Additionally, I'm sure there are quite a few people who would love to
> say "I'm
> >> a member of SYNHAK", especially visiting hackers. It gives a sense of
> >> belonging.
> >>
> >> For example, I'm not a full Council Member of Noisebridge. I am,
> however, an
> >> Associate Member. In a way, I am a part of the Noisebridge community
> more than
> >> someone who isn't an Associate Member. It gives me warm fuzzies. <3
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > regards,
> >> > Andrew L
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Torrie Fischer
> >> wrote:
> >> > > No discussion on a mechanism that has the potential to prevent
> future
> >> > > tension?
> >> > >
> >> > > This makes me sad
> >> > >
> >> > > :(
> >> > >
> >> > > On Friday, February 28, 2014 10:29:34 Torrie Fischer wrote:
> >> > > > I'd like to discuss the possibility of an additional class of
> members
> >> > >
> >> > > based
> >> > >
> >> > > > on the success I've seen of using it at Noisebridge. Right now,
> we've
> >> > > > got
> >> > > > just one class of members called Members. Some time ago, they
> introduced
> >> > >
> >> > > a
> >> > >
> >> > > > second group called Associate Members. The procedure for becoming
> an
> >> > > > associate member is pretty simple:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Membership#Associate_Members
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Essentially, you create a User wiki page, find four sponsors (who
> are
> >> > >
> >> > > other
> >> > >
> >> > > > associate members or regular members), then add a category tag to
> your
> >> > >

Re: [SH-Discuss] The leased racks

[Andrew Buczko]

" I'd be more than happy to sit down with you and show the accounting that
shows we aren't broke."

Sit down? Torie you spent a good two weeks running around like
a chicken with it's head cut off saying that our bills where going to be
+$600 a month and that you wanted to Bleed it from the base members by
raising the base membership dues.

 transparent? ok then I want to see copies of our utility bills.


On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 5:17 PM, a l  wrote:

> I was under the apparently misinformed impression that this had been
> brought up as a proper proposal. This needs to be rectified posthaste. As
> Torrie brought up changes to the way SynHak operates need to be approved by
> member and/or board consensus.As Omar correctly brought up any legal
> agreement with SynHak needs to be on file to ensure obligations are being
> met.
>
> regards,
> Andrew L
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Craig Bergdorf  wrote:
>
>> it wasn't meant like that (didn't think of it like that until you
>> mentioned it - thanks), I was just trying to ram home the point that the
>> offer was not one made to take advantage of the space in their time of need
>> for personal gain, but to help the space as much as possible, and at the
>> time most donations took place, it required a lot of goodwill towards and
>> belief in the space to continue donating after (imo) being blasted for
>> doing so repeatedly.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Torrie Fischer > > wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, March 03, 2014 11:50:03 Craig Bergdorf wrote:
>>> > If i may help summarize the mood as I saw it at the time for those in
>>> the
>>> > back,
>>> >
>>> > 48 is still very new, with double the space and a seemingly never
>>> ending
>>> > list of projects: member's money is flying out the doors with no end in
>>> > sight, the saying 'give till it hurts, then come back tomorrow' feels
>>> like
>>> > it should be the motto.  The word from the treasurer is "we're broke -
>>> > doubt we can afford heat, give me a receipt and i'll  (magic?)",
>>> and
>>> > the calender relentlessly approaches opening day.
>>>
>>> The original estimation about heat was $900 based on the only
>>> information I
>>> knew about our MCF rate. It ended up being around $100. I'd be more than
>>> happy
>>> to sit down with you and show the accounting that shows we aren't broke.
>>> I
>>> would not be setting lofty goals of the original $1200 membership
>>> credit, $50
>>> monthly maintenance budget, $150 buildout budget, etc if we were
>>> desperately
>>> seeking funds.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure where you've gotten the idea that we are or ever were
>>> broke. When
>>> I started working on the accounting I (imho) had been very transparent
>>> and
>>> consistently reiterated that we in fact have a lot more funds than was
>>> previously reported with plenty of evidence. I admit that the evidence
>>> was a
>>> bit murky, but then again, nobody asked me to work with them to
>>> understand it.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > A member everyone loves at the moment generously offers to trade some
>>> space
>>> > for some monthly cash (as if he hasn't donated enough already), and as
>>> a
>>> > bonus, extra shelves to use as wall dividers until real walls can be
>>> > afforded.  Who could possibly be against such a donation at that time?
>>>
>>> Please don't bring up quantity of contributions as any kind of metric of
>>> a
>>> person's value. Please just no. That is a very very bad road to go down.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > /end my mood at the time
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Torrie Fischer
>>> wrote:
>>> > > On Monday, March 03, 2014 10:13:08 Omar Rassi wrote:
>>> > > > My understanding from conversations at the space about this was
>>> that the
>>> > > > racks would have plywood walls built onto them so that they can be
>>> > > > separated from prying eyes and sticky hands. Nothing on those
>>> shelves
>>> > > > should concern anyone but the Lessee and legal agents of the
>>> lessor. Is
>>> > > > there a copy of the lease on the documents repo or filed on paper
>>> at
>>> > > > Synhak??? I feel as Champion I should at least be familiar with the
>>> > >
>>> > > details
>>> > >
>>> > > > of the lease in order to help protect everyone's interests.
>>> > >
>>> > > No, there is nothing. Some time ago there was a copy sent to bizops@,
>>> but:
>>> > >
>>> > > * There was no board vote
>>> > > * There was no proposal
>>> > > * I've never seen a signed copy
>>> > > * I raised issues with the version sent to bizops@ that were totally
>>> > > ignored
>>> > >
>>> > > Citations:
>>> > >
>>> > > Original question:
>>> > >   https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-January/53.html
>>> > >
>>> > > Devin posted the lease to bizops@:
>>> > >   https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-February/66.html
>>> > >
>>> > > Raising issues:
>>> > >   https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-February/68.html
>>> > >
>>> > > No, there was no vote or proposal:
>>> > >   https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Andrew Buczko]

Torrie,

I don't have time to read your "novels". Please keep your post simple and
to the point.



On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:37 AM, Andrew Buczko wrote:

> Ok
> Thanks Chris, that makes more sense when you say it that way.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Chris Egeland wrote:
>
>>  I'm sorry, but I'm siding with Torrie on this one.
>>
>>
>> On 3/3/2014 11:35 AM, Justin Herman wrote:
>>
>>  I agree with Andrew,
>>
>>  I hold several concerns about this proposal and think we need to
>> evaluate the needs of the infrastructure.
>>
>> The purpose of bringing up proposals on the discuss list is so that
>> anyone subscribed can participate in the proposal process, member or not.
>> If you wish to discuss your proposals, please bring them up on the list so
>> that people subscribed can participate in the discussion.
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Andrew Buczko > > wrote:
>>
>>> WAT?
>>>
>>>  first you said it was $1.60
>>>
>>   This was the monthly increase in billing to more than quadruple our
>> infrastructure's power, by implementing the original proposal.
>>
>>   Then $16.40
>>>
>>   This is the monthly savings we will see if we implement this proposal
>> and spend the $200 mentioned to reserve the t1.micro instances mentioned.
>>
>>   Now it's $123.10
>>>
>>   This was a hypothetical number.  It's the monthly cost of the
>> originally proposed infrastructure (2x t1.micro, 2x m1.small, and 1x
>> m1.small RDS) purchased without reservations, minus the monthly cost of the
>> same infrastructure purchased with monthly reservations.  It was given
>> simply to illustrate how much of a monthly savings is available when
>> utilizing the AWS Reserved Instances program.  This number has absolutely
>> nothing to do whatsoever with this current proposal.
>>
>>
>>>  ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Torrie Fischer <
>>> tdfisc...@hackerbots.net> wrote:
>>>
 Previous thread:

 https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February/003393.html

 I'd like to propose that we spend $200 to reserve the two t1.micro
 instances
 in that proposal for the purpose of web servers.

 Our current AWS expenditure is still ~$80/mo. Spending $200 up front
 will
 reduce that bill by $16.40/mo and keep our infrastructure expenses low
 for the
 next three years. Thats an extra $16.40 we can invest elsewhere with a
 break
 even point of 12 months.
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Andrew Buczko]

Ok
Thanks Chris, that makes more sense when you say it that way.


On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Chris Egeland wrote:

>  I'm sorry, but I'm siding with Torrie on this one.
>
>
> On 3/3/2014 11:35 AM, Justin Herman wrote:
>
>  I agree with Andrew,
>
>  I hold several concerns about this proposal and think we need to evaluate
> the needs of the infrastructure.
>
> The purpose of bringing up proposals on the discuss list is so that anyone
> subscribed can participate in the proposal process, member or not.  If you
> wish to discuss your proposals, please bring them up on the list so that
> people subscribed can participate in the discussion.
>
>
>
>  On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Andrew Buczko 
> wrote:
>
>> WAT?
>>
>>  first you said it was $1.60
>>
>   This was the monthly increase in billing to more than quadruple our
> infrastructure's power, by implementing the original proposal.
>
>   Then $16.40
>>
>   This is the monthly savings we will see if we implement this proposal
> and spend the $200 mentioned to reserve the t1.micro instances mentioned.
>
>   Now it's $123.10
>>
>   This was a hypothetical number.  It's the monthly cost of the
> originally proposed infrastructure (2x t1.micro, 2x m1.small, and 1x
> m1.small RDS) purchased without reservations, minus the monthly cost of the
> same infrastructure purchased with monthly reservations.  It was given
> simply to illustrate how much of a monthly savings is available when
> utilizing the AWS Reserved Instances program.  This number has absolutely
> nothing to do whatsoever with this current proposal.
>
>
>>  ?
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Torrie Fischer <
>> tdfisc...@hackerbots.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Previous thread:
>>>
>>> https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February/003393.html
>>>
>>> I'd like to propose that we spend $200 to reserve the two t1.micro
>>> instances
>>> in that proposal for the purpose of web servers.
>>>
>>> Our current AWS expenditure is still ~$80/mo. Spending $200 up front will
>>> reduce that bill by $16.40/mo and keep our infrastructure expenses low
>>> for the
>>> next three years. Thats an extra $16.40 we can invest elsewhere with a
>>> break
>>> even point of 12 months.
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