Re: [SH-Discuss] 4/29 meeting minutes

[Torrie Fischer]

On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 15:59:12 Robert Rybicki wrote:
> $50 a month is a ridiculously low amount of money to put aside for
> everything the space needs, especially in the middle of a build out. The
> sink parts Philip purchased came to a little more than $60. Craig had to
> run out to purchase a drain trap that we forgot. We wanted to hook up the
> oven and we needed $90 in wire.  No one was willing to purchase it because
> of fear it would not get paid back immediately.

Understandable. I really hate that. SYNHAK currently has a culture of "we need 
to all consense on this issue or vote on it or something!"

I wanted to build a financial committee to figure that stuff out quickly, but 
got sidetracked when those racks came around. Then we wanted to build a 
community working group, but that got sidetracked when Devin wanted to "just 
vote on it" even though he knew full well that the proposal needed another 
week. Then the meetings devolved into screaming and yelling, so I felt 
compelled to step up and re-steer us back into consensus and productive 
meetings by being moderator. Then someone spouted transphobic bullshit and 
moaned about a workbench I built, so I stepped away to get out of the toxic 
environment in the hopes that the membership would maybe figure it out.

Then I hear that I'm being removed as Treasurer due to Devin and Andy's 
persecution complex, so I started looking for housing in San Francisco because 
SYNHAK is dead to me.

It died months ago when I was convinced to rescind my proposal to remove 
Justin from the board. I have since lost all will to contribute in any 
productive fashion other than to point a spotlight at the corpse and shout 
"Behold! 'Twas bludgeoned by bureaucracy!"

> 
> If the money is being spent frugally to improve the space or build it out
> then let the money be spent. Many people want to get things done faster
> than they currently are. I am more than frustrated that there is grant
> money that has been effectively forbidden.

Trust me, I am also incredibly frustrated at this. This is the exact reason I 
wanted to open up the expenses account and why it has $3,000 of the grant 
money in it:

* I was frustrated at how long it takes for money to be spent
* I hate handling reimbursements
* I hate getting nasty emails in my inbox demanding that I take time away from 
my real-life responsibilities to figure out if someone deserves reimbursement 
or membership credit
* To solve the above, I created a separate checking account with the explicit 
purpose of giving champions the card to let them figure out how to dispense 
money instead of just me
* Devin refused to participate in this system
* Devin has called for a board vote to remove me from Treasurer because I 
won't give him money

Obviously, Devin has some personal issue with me and he refuses to talk with 
me about this. The solution to this dispute is to remove me and kick me to the 
curb without discussion or mediation. The height of passive-aggressiveness. 
The lowest of scum.

> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Apr 30, 2014, at 3:02 PM, Torrie Fischer  
wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 15:07:26 Steve Radonich IV wrote:
> >> * Phillip - Synhak money, synhak owes several members money for build-out
> >> of> 
> > the space, I don't want to wait a month or more for reimbursed for the
> > expenses
> > 
> > This is actually news to me. Who does SYNHAK owe money?
> > 
> > I also have an envelope with something like ~$90 that Justin is supposed
> > to
> > pick up, but I haven't seen him around the space in a long while. That
> > money will go towards paying dues.
> > 
> > Something else to keep in mind: I graduated with a computer science
> > degree. I am not an accountant. This treasurer stuff is something I
> > picked up after weeks of trial by fire. If anyone expects me to get it
> > right the first time, I think they should consider seeing a professional
> > to talk about their delusions of grandeur. Also, friendly advice as to
> > what they want to see me do would be most Excellent.
> > 
> >> * Phillip - I'm tired of the beuracracy that makes it impossible to get
> > 
> > anything like this done in a timely manner
> > 
> >> * Mike - Did we all agree/consens on the cards for champions, It is going
> > 
> > forward as it was approved but I didn't get to express my views on it
> > 
> > Excellent dichotomy. We hate bureaucracy getting in the way of letting us
> > do things quickly, but I'm not sure about this solution to cut red tape
> > because it wasn't pushed through bureaucracy.
> > 
> >> * Devin - It will be reimbursed just not now, but me and andy have been
> >> told no on reimbursments and just only us. Given reciepts to others to
> >> get the money. Someone took something the wrong way, and they are
> >> attacking back using the position as treasurer. But this needs to stop
> >> right now, because it is discriminatory.
> > 
> > You live in a fascinatingly delusional state of mind, Devin.
> > 

Re: [SH-Discuss] 4/29 meeting minutes

[Robert Rybicki]

$50 a month is a ridiculously low amount of money to put aside for everything 
the space needs, especially in the middle of a build out. The sink parts Philip 
purchased came to a little more than $60. Craig had to run out to purchase a 
drain trap that we forgot. We wanted to hook up the oven and we needed $90 in 
wire.  No one was willing to purchase it because of fear it would not get paid 
back immediately.

If the money is being spent frugally to improve the space or build it out then 
let the money be spent. Many people want to get things done faster than they 
currently are. I am more than frustrated that there is grant money that has 
been effectively forbidden. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 30, 2014, at 3:02 PM, Torrie Fischer  wrote:
> 
>> On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 15:07:26 Steve Radonich IV wrote:
>> * Phillip - Synhak money, synhak owes several members money for build-out of
> the space, I don't want to wait a month or more for reimbursed for the 
> expenses
> 
> This is actually news to me. Who does SYNHAK owe money?
> 
> I also have an envelope with something like ~$90 that Justin is supposed to 
> pick up, but I haven't seen him around the space in a long while. That money 
> will go towards paying dues.
> 
> Something else to keep in mind: I graduated with a computer science degree. I 
> am not an accountant. This treasurer stuff is something I picked up after 
> weeks of trial by fire. If anyone expects me to get it right the first time, 
> I 
> think they should consider seeing a professional to talk about their 
> delusions 
> of grandeur. Also, friendly advice as to what they want to see me do would be 
> most Excellent.
> 
>> * Phillip - I'm tired of the beuracracy that makes it impossible to get
> anything like this done in a timely manner
>> * Mike - Did we all agree/consens on the cards for champions, It is going
> forward as it was approved but I didn't get to express my views on it
> 
> Excellent dichotomy. We hate bureaucracy getting in the way of letting us do 
> things quickly, but I'm not sure about this solution to cut red tape because 
> it wasn't pushed through bureaucracy.
> 
>> * Devin - It will be reimbursed just not now, but me and andy have been told
>> no on reimbursments and just only us. Given reciepts to others to get the
>> money. Someone took something the wrong way, and they are attacking back
>> using the position as treasurer. But this needs to stop right now, because
>> it is discriminatory.
> 
> You live in a fascinatingly delusional state of mind, Devin.
> 
> But you're right, I hate your guts and want to use my power of the purse 
> to...uh... I actually have no idea. Why am I doing this? Why am I being such 
> an outrageous person to you? What is this communication gap?
> 
> What is it 
> 
> I'm trying to set up these cards that gives the champions the power to spend 
> money without having to go through me, and I've been open and transparent 
> about everything. I've also asked repeatedly how I can better my transparency 
> but have not received any suggestions.
> 
> What is SYNHAK's plan for replacing me? Are you going to magically find 
> someone else who wants to deal with this abuse?
> 
> If you want a picture of what it means to be SYNHAK Treasurer, imagine a boot 
> stamping on a human face - forever.
> 
>> * Devin - If I have to call her and sit down with a mediator to settle this
> now then I will but it needs done. Because this is not how a non-profit 
> should 
> be ran. 
> 
> Should I post links to bizops@ about the five or so times I've asked you to 
> get the water bill mailing address sent to a SYNHAK address? What about how 
> you never sent a copy of the rack sublease to anywhere until halfway through 
> the first month of the sublease, despite me and others asking for it since 
> December? Is it in bad taste to also point out that Something New 
> Entertainment never sent the February check and I got the March one around 
> the 
> 24th? Whoops.
> 
> Oh, remember how G asked you for the full executed and signed copy of the 
> lease to be sent to me?
> 
> Where is that, eh?
> 
> Pot, kettle.
> 
>> * Philip - Organization needs to have a mechanism in place to reimbursed for
> cost, and second we need a mechanism to allow people to go out and buy things 
> to fix items at the space that doesn't take 3 weeks or more to do anything.
> 
> We've had that for a while.
> 
> https://synhak.org/wiki/Maintenance_Budget
> 
> Created on February 28th 2014. Its even linked in the manual that nobody 
> bothers to read.
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Re: [SH-Discuss] 4/29 meeting minutes

[Torrie Fischer]

On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 15:07:26 Steve Radonich IV wrote:
> * Phillip - Synhak money, synhak owes several members money for build-out of 
the space, I don't want to wait a month or more for reimbursed for the 
expenses

This is actually news to me. Who does SYNHAK owe money?

I also have an envelope with something like ~$90 that Justin is supposed to 
pick up, but I haven't seen him around the space in a long while. That money 
will go towards paying dues.

Something else to keep in mind: I graduated with a computer science degree. I 
am not an accountant. This treasurer stuff is something I picked up after 
weeks of trial by fire. If anyone expects me to get it right the first time, I 
think they should consider seeing a professional to talk about their delusions 
of grandeur. Also, friendly advice as to what they want to see me do would be 
most Excellent.

> * Phillip - I'm tired of the beuracracy that makes it impossible to get 
anything like this done in a timely manner
> * Mike - Did we all agree/consens on the cards for champions, It is going 
forward as it was approved but I didn't get to express my views on it

Excellent dichotomy. We hate bureaucracy getting in the way of letting us do 
things quickly, but I'm not sure about this solution to cut red tape because 
it wasn't pushed through bureaucracy.

> * Devin - It will be reimbursed just not now, but me and andy have been told
> no on reimbursments and just only us. Given reciepts to others to get the
> money. Someone took something the wrong way, and they are attacking back
> using the position as treasurer. But this needs to stop right now, because
> it is discriminatory. 

You live in a fascinatingly delusional state of mind, Devin.

But you're right, I hate your guts and want to use my power of the purse 
to...uh... I actually have no idea. Why am I doing this? Why am I being such 
an outrageous person to you? What is this communication gap?

What is it 

I'm trying to set up these cards that gives the champions the power to spend 
money without having to go through me, and I've been open and transparent 
about everything. I've also asked repeatedly how I can better my transparency 
but have not received any suggestions.

What is SYNHAK's plan for replacing me? Are you going to magically find 
someone else who wants to deal with this abuse?

If you want a picture of what it means to be SYNHAK Treasurer, imagine a boot 
stamping on a human face - forever.

> * Devin - If I have to call her and sit down with a mediator to settle this 
now then I will but it needs done. Because this is not how a non-profit should 
be ran. 

Should I post links to bizops@ about the five or so times I've asked you to 
get the water bill mailing address sent to a SYNHAK address? What about how 
you never sent a copy of the rack sublease to anywhere until halfway through 
the first month of the sublease, despite me and others asking for it since 
December? Is it in bad taste to also point out that Something New 
Entertainment never sent the February check and I got the March one around the 
24th? Whoops.

Oh, remember how G asked you for the full executed and signed copy of the 
lease to be sent to me?

Where is that, eh?

Pot, kettle.

> * Philip - Organization needs to have a mechanism in place to reimbursed for 
cost, and second we need a mechanism to allow people to go out and buy things 
to fix items at the space that doesn't take 3 weeks or more to do anything.

We've had that for a while.

https://synhak.org/wiki/Maintenance_Budget

Created on February 28th 2014. Its even linked in the manual that nobody 
bothers to read.

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Re: [SH-Discuss] 4/29 meeting minutes

[Chris Egeland]

ing to say
* Omar - one person on FRG commity was responsible for the raffle
* Becca - I will do it the month of May

* Phillip - Synhak money, synhak owes several members money for 
build-out of the space, I don't want to wait a month or more for 
reimbursed for the expenses

* Omar - Send me the reciepts and I will make sure it gets reimbursed
* Phillip - I'm tired of the beuracracy that makes it impossible to 
get anything like this done in a timely manner
* Mike - Did we all agree/consens on the cards for champions, It is 
going forward as it was approved but I didn't get to express my views 
on it

* Omar - It fufills the purpose of champions
* Angelo - with the other clubs I belong to someone goes out figures 
out the cost, makes a proposal, gets approved, gets the money before 
the project is started.
* Devin - I initially opposed this proposal, didn't like it at all at 
first: Reads out email from bizops
* Andy - Philip's here now, we're here now, we need this up an 
running, why don't we just give him the money he'll go buy the parts 
and it'll get done tonight.
* Omar - the way it's setup right now no money can be handed out 
tonight, synhak isn't a place where you can go out and buy stuff and 
demand your money back. You need to say hey I need to spend this money 
for the space, for this project, before you spend any money. If the 
membership agrees then the money is released. We just don't want the 
responsiblity on one person, so that if they are not available due to 
circumstances.
* Andy - If all we need is a verbal agreement then my bills need 
reimbursed since it was discussed ahead of time.
* Devin - It will be reimbursed just not now, but me and andy have 
been told no on reimbursments and just only us. Given reciepts to 
others to get the money. Someone took something the wrong way, and 
they are attacking back using the position as treasurer. But this 
needs to stop right now, because it is discriminatory.
* Andy - alot of this stuff wasnt decided on until after the money was 
spent.
* Devin - If I have to call her and sit down with a mediator to settle 
this now then I will but it needs done. Because this is not how a 
non-profit should be ran.
* Philip - Organization needs to have a mechanism in place to 
reimbursed for cost, and second we need a mechanism to allow people to 
go out and buy things to fix items at the space that doesn't take 3 
weeks or more to do anything.
* Alex - the champions are the only ones that have the authority to 
take over the treasurers position if it is not being fullfilled, or to 
make sure they are doing their job. We need to call a board meeting to 
discuss this issue.

* Omar - forward the proposals to remove Torrie to the public list
* Devin calls for a board meeting upon consensus of the membership at 
the meeting


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Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] 4/29 meeting minutes

Send it to the list.  I'll format and post it.

On 4/30/2014 1:56 PM, Becca Salchak wrote:

As usual steve is elbow deep in the guts of a computer so he asked
me to reply to you. Do you want his unformatted copy sent to you
or sent to the list?

On Apr 30, 2014 1:53 PM, "a l" mailto:leit...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Due to website/browser conflicts we were unable to edit the
wiki last night. Could the note taker(Steve) please respond to
this email with the minutes.
Regards,
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Re: [SH-Discuss] 4/29 meeting minutes

[Steve Radonich IV]

 members money for build-out of 
the space, I don't want to wait a month or more for reimbursed for the expenses
* Omar - Send me the reciepts and I will make sure it gets reimbursed
* Phillip - I'm tired of the beuracracy that makes it impossible to get 
anything like this done in a timely manner
* Mike - Did we all agree/consens on the cards for champions, It is going 
forward as it was approved but I didn't get to express my views on it
* Omar - It fufills the purpose of champions
* Angelo - with the other clubs I belong to someone goes out figures out the 
cost, makes a proposal, gets approved, gets the money before the project is 
started.
* Devin - I initially opposed this proposal, didn't like it at all at first: 
Reads out email from bizops
* Andy - Philip's here now, we're here now, we need this up an running, why 
don't we just give him the money he'll go buy the parts and it'll get done 
tonight.
* Omar - the way it's setup right now no money can be handed out tonight, 
synhak isn't a place where you can go out and buy stuff and demand your money 
back. You need to say hey I need to spend this money for the space, for this 
project, before you spend any money. If the membership agrees then the money is 
released. We just don't want the responsiblity on one person, so that if they 
are not available due to circumstances.
* Andy - If all we need is a verbal agreement then my bills need reimbursed 
since it was discussed ahead of time.
* Devin - It will be reimbursed just not now, but me and andy have been told no 
on reimbursments and just only us. Given reciepts to others to get the money. 
Someone took something the wrong way, and they are attacking back using the 
position as treasurer. But this needs to stop right now, because it is 
discriminatory. 
* Andy - alot of this stuff wasnt decided on until after the money was spent.
* Devin - If I have to call her and sit down with a mediator to settle this now 
then I will but it needs done. Because this is not how a non-profit should be 
ran. 
* Philip - Organization needs to have a mechanism in place to reimbursed for 
cost, and second we need a mechanism to allow people to go out and buy things 
to fix items at the space that doesn't take 3 weeks or more to do anything.
* Alex - the champions are the only ones that have the authority to take over 
the treasurers position if it is not being fullfilled, or to make sure they are 
doing their job. We need to call a board meeting to discuss this issue.
* Omar - forward the proposals to remove Torrie to the public list
* Devin calls for a board meeting upon consensus of the membership at the 
meeting

Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 15:02:52 -0400
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Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] 4/29 meeting minutes


  

  
  
Send it to the list.  I'll format and post it.



On 4/30/2014 1:56 PM, Becca Salchak
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  As usual steve is elbow deep in the guts of a
computer so he asked me to reply to you. Do you want his
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  On Apr 30, 2014 1:53 PM, "a l" 
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  Due to website/browser conflicts we were unable to edit the
wiki last night. Could the note taker(Steve) please respond
to this email with the minutes.

  Regards,

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Re: [SH-Discuss] 4/29 meeting minutes

[Chris Egeland]

Send it to the list.  I'll format and post it.

On 4/30/2014 1:56 PM, Becca Salchak wrote:


As usual steve is elbow deep in the guts of a computer so he asked me 
to reply to you. Do you want his unformatted copy sent to you or sent 
to the list?


On Apr 30, 2014 1:53 PM, "a l" > wrote:


Due to website/browser conflicts we were unable to edit the wiki
last night. Could the note taker(Steve) please respond to this
email with the minutes.

Regards,
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Re: [SH-Discuss] 4/29 meeting minutes

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As usual steve is elbow deep in the guts of a computer so he asked me to
reply to you. Do you want his unformatted copy sent to you or sent to the
list?
On Apr 30, 2014 1:53 PM, "a l"  wrote:

> Due to website/browser conflicts we were unable to edit the wiki last
> night. Could the note taker(Steve) please respond to this email with the
> minutes.
>
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[SH-Discuss] 4/29 meeting minutes

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Due to website/browser conflicts we were unable to edit the wiki last
night. Could the note taker(Steve) please respond to this email with the
minutes.

Regards,
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