Re: [SH-Discuss] Router compat.

[Omar Rassi]

Absolutely right Alex, though I think that its less about specifically
range, more about reliability at a greater distance, because N uses spatial
multiplexing across multiple
antennas,
transmit and receive get their own channel resulting in less radio
interference in the same band. Conceivably, 802.11n and 802.11g could have
the same ranges because its all dealt with power levels, but 802.11n is
more reliable at say 120 feet than 802.11g because Tx and Rx won't
crosstalk. We'll talk more tonight.

On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:21 PM, alex kot  wrote:

> If the range can't go outside, then he put the antenna outside he is going
> to come across the same issue for indoor use.  Also I am not sure why
> everyone gets the assumption Wireless N has better range.  The range is
> dealt with the amplification of the radio, which Generally most
> SOHO/consumer wireless G routers have better range then N since it wasn't
> as harshly regulated.  You get access with more channels per radio with N,
> but that doesn't really give you any wider range.  I can go over more
> details if you want at today's meeting.
>
>
>   On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 1:05 PM, Omar Rassi 
> wrote:
>  Also, I tend to go overboard sometimes, best to choose the simplest
> solution that works, than to plan for every conceivable point of failure.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Omar Rassi  wrote:
>
> Alex,
>
> Yea that's why I linked outdoor antennas for Martin as an option to use
> with less expensive routers, dual band is good if there are 5Ghz devices
> inside the house so they don't place traffic on the 2.4Ghz band for devices
> outside the house, IF... hopefully Martin's RasPi is connected via 802.11n
> for better range than the "g" standard.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:59 AM, alex kot  wrote:
>
>
> Chris,
> I guess they just slip the modem lease in my time warner bill.  That or
> just screwed up my bill and are giving it to me for free.
>
> Omar,
> Even high gain routers don't go through brick walls at all.  Having dual
> band doesn't help much either 5.8 ghz gives you less range.  Probably your
> best bet is to put the router next to the wall or use two routers and use
> WDS for repeat mode.  Not a fan of "Range extenders" or "Wifi repeaters"
> they kind of go against IEEE/ip standards.
>
>
>
> --
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 11:23 AM EST Omar Rassi wrote:
>
> >Alex, is that router going to be able to cover both the house and the
> yard?
> >I have a Linksys E3000 Dual Band and it's signal barely extends 50 feet
> >beyond the walls of my house at 100% transmit power, they're also brick
> >walls so that's a major factor with that. If Martin's house has brick
> walls
> >an outdoor antenna may be the way to go cover his yard like he wants.
> >
> >
> >On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Torrie Fischer  >wrote:
> >
> >> On Tuesday, February 04, 2014 09:56:41 Chris Egeland wrote:
> >> > Time Warner doesn't provide modems for free, they never have.  You
> >> > either need to purchase the modem yourself (usually about $50) or rent
> >> > it for something like $5/mo.
> >>
> >> Technically they call it a lease. Mine was $7/mo.
> >>
> >> I bought this and have never had any issues with it:
> >>
> >> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004XC6GJ0/
> >>
> >> >
> >> > It's cheaper to buy the modem upfront, but renting has the advantage
> of
> >> > TWC replacing it should something go wrong.
> >> >
> >> > Chris
> >> >
> >> > On 2/4/2014 5:24 AM, alex kot wrote:
> >> > > Usually Time Warner will provide a modem for free with the service
> and
> >> > > then charge you if you need a router.  If you need a modem any
> DOCSIS
> >> > > 2.0 or 3.0 modem will work, you can even find people sell them real
> >> > > cheap on craigslist.  As for a router I would recommend Asus RT-N12
> >> > > only $40 and gives you a rock solid router.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 1:00 AM, Omar Rassi
> >> > >  wrote:
> >> > > with those requirements, you're looking at spending just that much
> on
> >> > > your wireless equipment.
> >> > >
> >> > > Here is a decent modem
> >> > > 
> and
> >> this
> >> > > is the same one I have for my TWC service.
> >> > > <
> >>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825153009&ignorebbr
> >> > > =1> Here's a comparison of different mid-level wireless routers.
> >> > > <
> >>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=Property&N=10001
> >> > >
> >>
> 0076%208000&IsNodeId=1&page=4&bop=And&CompareItemList=145%7C33-320-091%5E3
> >> > >
> >>
> 3-320-091-TS%2C33-555-050%5E33-555-050-TS%2C33-704-177%5E33-704-177-TS%2C3
> >> > >
> >>
> 3-320-131%5E33-320-131-TS%2C33-555-046%5E33-555-046-TS&percm=33-704-177%3A
> >> > >
> >>
> %24%24%24%24%24%24%24%3B33-320-131%3A%24%24%24%24%24%24%24%3B33-555-046%3A
> >> > > %24%24%24%24%24%24%24> I selected these model routers becaus

Re: [SH-Discuss] Router compat.

[alex kot]

If the range can't go outside, then he put the antenna outside he is going to 
come across the same issue for indoor use.  Also I am not sure why everyone 
gets the assumption Wireless N has better range.  The range is dealt with the 
amplification of the radio, which Generally most SOHO/consumer wireless G 
routers have better range then N since it wasn't as harshly regulated.  You get 
access with more channels per radio with N, but that doesn't really give you 
any wider range.  I can go over more details if you want at today's meeting.



On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 1:05 PM, Omar Rassi  wrote:
 
Also, I tend to go overboard sometimes, best to choose the simplest solution 
that works, than to plan for every conceivable point of failure.



On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Omar Rassi  wrote:

Alex,
>
>
>Yea that's why I linked outdoor antennas for Martin as an option to use with 
>less expensive routers, dual band is good if there are 5Ghz devices inside the 
>house so they don't place traffic on the 2.4Ghz band for devices outside the 
>house, IF... hopefully Martin's RasPi is connected via 802.11n for better 
>range than the "g" standard.
>
>
>
>On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:59 AM, alex kot  wrote:
>
>
>>Chris,
>>I guess they just slip the modem lease in my time warner bill.  That or just 
>>screwed up my bill and are giving it to me for free.
>>
>>Omar,
>>Even high gain routers don't go through brick walls at all.  Having dual band 
>>doesn't help much either 5.8 ghz gives you less range.  Probably your best 
>>bet is to put the router next to the wall or use two routers and use WDS for 
>>repeat mode.  Not a fan of "Range extenders" or "Wifi repeaters" they kind of 
>>go against IEEE/ip standards.
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 11:23 AM EST Omar Rassi wrote:
>>
>>>Alex, is that router going to be able to cover both the house and the yard?
>>>I have a Linksys E3000 Dual Band and it's signal barely extends 50 feet
>>>beyond the walls of my house at 100% transmit power, they're also brick
>>>walls so that's a major factor with that. If Martin's house has brick walls
>>>an outdoor antenna may be the way to go cover his yard like he wants.
>>>
>>>
>>>On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Torrie Fischer 
>>>wrote:
>>>
 On Tuesday, February 04, 2014 09:56:41 Chris Egeland wrote:
 > Time Warner doesn't provide modems for free, they never have.  You
 > either need to purchase the modem yourself (usually about $50) or rent
 > it for something like $5/mo.

 Technically they call it a lease. Mine was $7/mo.

 I bought this and have never had any issues with it:

 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004XC6GJ0/

 >
 > It's cheaper to buy the modem upfront, but renting has the advantage of
 > TWC replacing it should something go wrong.
 >
 > Chris
 >
 > On 2/4/2014 5:24 AM, alex kot wrote:
 > > Usually Time Warner will provide a modem for free with the service and
 > > then charge you if you need a router.  If you need a modem any DOCSIS
 > > 2.0 or 3.0 modem will work, you can even find people sell them real
 > > cheap on craigslist.  As for a router I would recommend Asus RT-N12
 > > only $40 and gives you a rock solid router.
 > >
 > >
 > > On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 1:00 AM, Omar Rassi
 > >  wrote:
 > > with those requirements, you're looking at spending just that much on
 > > your wireless equipment.
 > >
 > > Here is a decent modem
 > >  and
 this
 > > is the same one I have for my TWC service.
 > > <
 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825153009&ignorebbr
 > > =1> Here's a comparison of different mid-level wireless routers.
 > > <
 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=Property&N=10001
 > >
 0076%208000&IsNodeId=1&page=4&bop=And&CompareItemList=145%7C33-320-091%5E3
 > >
 3-320-091-TS%2C33-555-050%5E33-555-050-TS%2C33-704-177%5E33-704-177-TS%2C3
 > >
 3-320-131%5E33-320-131-TS%2C33-555-046%5E33-555-046-TS&percm=33-704-177%3A
 > >
 %24%24%24%24%24%24%24%3B33-320-131%3A%24%24%24%24%24%24%24%3B33-555-046%3A
 > > %24%24%24%24%24%24%24> I selected these model routers because they
 support
 > > dual band
 > > capability, multiple 802.11 protocols, and multiple external antennas
 > > giving you the most coverage in the least complex setup. Keep in mind
 > > that getting your signal to penetrate through the house and cover your
 > > yard may still require the use of range extenders. Bear in mind range
 > > limits  and possible sources
 > > of interference  (another list of
 > > interference sources
 > > ,

Re: [SH-Discuss] Router compat.

[Omar Rassi]

Also, I tend to go overboard sometimes, best to choose the simplest
solution that works, than to plan for every conceivable point of failure.


On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Omar Rassi  wrote:

> Alex,
>
> Yea that's why I linked outdoor antennas for Martin as an option to use
> with less expensive routers, dual band is good if there are 5Ghz devices
> inside the house so they don't place traffic on the 2.4Ghz band for devices
> outside the house, IF... hopefully Martin's RasPi is connected via 802.11n
> for better range than the "g" standard.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:59 AM, alex kot  wrote:
>
>>
>> Chris,
>> I guess they just slip the modem lease in my time warner bill.  That or
>> just screwed up my bill and are giving it to me for free.
>>
>> Omar,
>> Even high gain routers don't go through brick walls at all.  Having dual
>> band doesn't help much either 5.8 ghz gives you less range.  Probably your
>> best bet is to put the router next to the wall or use two routers and use
>> WDS for repeat mode.  Not a fan of "Range extenders" or "Wifi repeaters"
>> they kind of go against IEEE/ip standards.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 11:23 AM EST Omar Rassi wrote:
>>
>> >Alex, is that router going to be able to cover both the house and the
>> yard?
>> >I have a Linksys E3000 Dual Band and it's signal barely extends 50 feet
>> >beyond the walls of my house at 100% transmit power, they're also brick
>> >walls so that's a major factor with that. If Martin's house has brick
>> walls
>> >an outdoor antenna may be the way to go cover his yard like he wants.
>> >
>> >
>> >On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Torrie Fischer <
>> tdfisc...@hackerbots.net>wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tuesday, February 04, 2014 09:56:41 Chris Egeland wrote:
>> >> > Time Warner doesn't provide modems for free, they never have.  You
>> >> > either need to purchase the modem yourself (usually about $50) or
>> rent
>> >> > it for something like $5/mo.
>> >>
>> >> Technically they call it a lease. Mine was $7/mo.
>> >>
>> >> I bought this and have never had any issues with it:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004XC6GJ0/
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > It's cheaper to buy the modem upfront, but renting has the advantage
>> of
>> >> > TWC replacing it should something go wrong.
>> >> >
>> >> > Chris
>> >> >
>> >> > On 2/4/2014 5:24 AM, alex kot wrote:
>> >> > > Usually Time Warner will provide a modem for free with the service
>> and
>> >> > > then charge you if you need a router.  If you need a modem any
>> DOCSIS
>> >> > > 2.0 or 3.0 modem will work, you can even find people sell them real
>> >> > > cheap on craigslist.  As for a router I would recommend Asus RT-N12
>> >> > > only $40 and gives you a rock solid router.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 1:00 AM, Omar Rassi
>> >> > >  wrote:
>> >> > > with those requirements, you're looking at spending just that much
>> on
>> >> > > your wireless equipment.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Here is a decent modem
>> >> > > 
>> and
>> >> this
>> >> > > is the same one I have for my TWC service.
>> >> > > <
>> >>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825153009&ignorebbr
>> >> > > =1> Here's a comparison of different mid-level wireless routers.
>> >> > > <
>> >>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=Property&N=10001
>> >> > >
>> >>
>> 0076%208000&IsNodeId=1&page=4&bop=And&CompareItemList=145%7C33-320-091%5E3
>> >> > >
>> >>
>> 3-320-091-TS%2C33-555-050%5E33-555-050-TS%2C33-704-177%5E33-704-177-TS%2C3
>> >> > >
>> >>
>> 3-320-131%5E33-320-131-TS%2C33-555-046%5E33-555-046-TS&percm=33-704-177%3A
>> >> > >
>> >>
>> %24%24%24%24%24%24%24%3B33-320-131%3A%24%24%24%24%24%24%24%3B33-555-046%3A
>> >> > > %24%24%24%24%24%24%24> I selected these model routers because they
>> >> support
>> >> > > dual band
>> >> > > capability, multiple 802.11 protocols, and multiple external
>> antennas
>> >> > > giving you the most coverage in the least complex setup. Keep in
>> mind
>> >> > > that getting your signal to penetrate through the house and cover
>> your
>> >> > > yard may still require the use of range extenders. Bear in mind
>> range
>> >> > > limits  and possible
>> sources
>> >> > > of interference  (another
>> list of
>> >> > > interference sources
>> >> > > <
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_interference_at_2.4_GHz
>> >> >,
>> >> > > and
>> >> > > another ) when
>> >> > > planning to cover large areas, for devices that operate outside,
>> their
>> >> > > signal has to be able to travel the expected distance and penetrate
>> >> > > through the house to get to its closest access point. Another
>> option
>> >> > > could be to get an external outdoor antenna
>> >> > > <
>> >>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp

Re: [SH-Discuss] Router compat.

[Omar Rassi]

Alex,

Yea that's why I linked outdoor antennas for Martin as an option to use
with less expensive routers, dual band is good if there are 5Ghz devices
inside the house so they don't place traffic on the 2.4Ghz band for devices
outside the house, IF... hopefully Martin's RasPi is connected via 802.11n
for better range than the "g" standard.


On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:59 AM, alex kot  wrote:

>
> Chris,
> I guess they just slip the modem lease in my time warner bill.  That or
> just screwed up my bill and are giving it to me for free.
>
> Omar,
> Even high gain routers don't go through brick walls at all.  Having dual
> band doesn't help much either 5.8 ghz gives you less range.  Probably your
> best bet is to put the router next to the wall or use two routers and use
> WDS for repeat mode.  Not a fan of "Range extenders" or "Wifi repeaters"
> they kind of go against IEEE/ip standards.
>
>
>
> --
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 11:23 AM EST Omar Rassi wrote:
>
> >Alex, is that router going to be able to cover both the house and the
> yard?
> >I have a Linksys E3000 Dual Band and it's signal barely extends 50 feet
> >beyond the walls of my house at 100% transmit power, they're also brick
> >walls so that's a major factor with that. If Martin's house has brick
> walls
> >an outdoor antenna may be the way to go cover his yard like he wants.
> >
> >
> >On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Torrie Fischer  >wrote:
> >
> >> On Tuesday, February 04, 2014 09:56:41 Chris Egeland wrote:
> >> > Time Warner doesn't provide modems for free, they never have.  You
> >> > either need to purchase the modem yourself (usually about $50) or rent
> >> > it for something like $5/mo.
> >>
> >> Technically they call it a lease. Mine was $7/mo.
> >>
> >> I bought this and have never had any issues with it:
> >>
> >> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004XC6GJ0/
> >>
> >> >
> >> > It's cheaper to buy the modem upfront, but renting has the advantage
> of
> >> > TWC replacing it should something go wrong.
> >> >
> >> > Chris
> >> >
> >> > On 2/4/2014 5:24 AM, alex kot wrote:
> >> > > Usually Time Warner will provide a modem for free with the service
> and
> >> > > then charge you if you need a router.  If you need a modem any
> DOCSIS
> >> > > 2.0 or 3.0 modem will work, you can even find people sell them real
> >> > > cheap on craigslist.  As for a router I would recommend Asus RT-N12
> >> > > only $40 and gives you a rock solid router.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 1:00 AM, Omar Rassi
> >> > >  wrote:
> >> > > with those requirements, you're looking at spending just that much
> on
> >> > > your wireless equipment.
> >> > >
> >> > > Here is a decent modem
> >> > > 
> and
> >> this
> >> > > is the same one I have for my TWC service.
> >> > > <
> >>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825153009&ignorebbr
> >> > > =1> Here's a comparison of different mid-level wireless routers.
> >> > > <
> >>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=Property&N=10001
> >> > >
> >>
> 0076%208000&IsNodeId=1&page=4&bop=And&CompareItemList=145%7C33-320-091%5E3
> >> > >
> >>
> 3-320-091-TS%2C33-555-050%5E33-555-050-TS%2C33-704-177%5E33-704-177-TS%2C3
> >> > >
> >>
> 3-320-131%5E33-320-131-TS%2C33-555-046%5E33-555-046-TS&percm=33-704-177%3A
> >> > >
> >>
> %24%24%24%24%24%24%24%3B33-320-131%3A%24%24%24%24%24%24%24%3B33-555-046%3A
> >> > > %24%24%24%24%24%24%24> I selected these model routers because they
> >> support
> >> > > dual band
> >> > > capability, multiple 802.11 protocols, and multiple external
> antennas
> >> > > giving you the most coverage in the least complex setup. Keep in
> mind
> >> > > that getting your signal to penetrate through the house and cover
> your
> >> > > yard may still require the use of range extenders. Bear in mind
> range
> >> > > limits  and possible
> sources
> >> > > of interference  (another list
> of
> >> > > interference sources
> >> > > <
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_interference_at_2.4_GHz
> >> >,
> >> > > and
> >> > > another ) when
> >> > > planning to cover large areas, for devices that operate outside,
> their
> >> > > signal has to be able to travel the expected distance and penetrate
> >> > > through the house to get to its closest access point. Another option
> >> > > could be to get an external outdoor antenna
> >> > > <
> >>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100010072%204
> >> > >
> >>
> 342&IsNodeId=1&Description=outdoor%20antenna&name=Wireless%20Accessori
> >> > > es&Order=PRICE&Pagesize=20&isdeptsrh=1> that can replace connect to
> the
> >> > > router and run that out to your roof for optimum outdoor coverage.
> >> > >
> >> > > Trying to cover both indoor AND outdoor reliably can be difficult,

Re: [SH-Discuss] Router compat.

[alex kot]

Chris,
I guess they just slip the modem lease in my time warner bill.  That or just 
screwed up my bill and are giving it to me for free.

Omar,
Even high gain routers don't go through brick walls at all.  Having dual band 
doesn't help much either 5.8 ghz gives you less range.  Probably your best bet 
is to put the router next to the wall or use two routers and use WDS for repeat 
mode.  Not a fan of "Range extenders" or "Wifi repeaters" they kind of go 
against IEEE/ip standards.



--
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 11:23 AM EST Omar Rassi wrote:

>Alex, is that router going to be able to cover both the house and the yard?
>I have a Linksys E3000 Dual Band and it's signal barely extends 50 feet
>beyond the walls of my house at 100% transmit power, they're also brick
>walls so that's a major factor with that. If Martin's house has brick walls
>an outdoor antenna may be the way to go cover his yard like he wants.
>
>
>On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Torrie Fischer 
>wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, February 04, 2014 09:56:41 Chris Egeland wrote:
>> > Time Warner doesn't provide modems for free, they never have.  You
>> > either need to purchase the modem yourself (usually about $50) or rent
>> > it for something like $5/mo.
>>
>> Technically they call it a lease. Mine was $7/mo.
>>
>> I bought this and have never had any issues with it:
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004XC6GJ0/
>>
>> >
>> > It's cheaper to buy the modem upfront, but renting has the advantage of
>> > TWC replacing it should something go wrong.
>> >
>> > Chris
>> >
>> > On 2/4/2014 5:24 AM, alex kot wrote:
>> > > Usually Time Warner will provide a modem for free with the service and
>> > > then charge you if you need a router.  If you need a modem any DOCSIS
>> > > 2.0 or 3.0 modem will work, you can even find people sell them real
>> > > cheap on craigslist.  As for a router I would recommend Asus RT-N12
>> > > only $40 and gives you a rock solid router.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 1:00 AM, Omar Rassi
>> > >  wrote:
>> > > with those requirements, you're looking at spending just that much on
>> > > your wireless equipment.
>> > >
>> > > Here is a decent modem
>> > >  and
>> this
>> > > is the same one I have for my TWC service.
>> > > <
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825153009&ignorebbr
>> > > =1> Here's a comparison of different mid-level wireless routers.
>> > > <
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=Property&N=10001
>> > >
>> 0076%208000&IsNodeId=1&page=4&bop=And&CompareItemList=145%7C33-320-091%5E3
>> > >
>> 3-320-091-TS%2C33-555-050%5E33-555-050-TS%2C33-704-177%5E33-704-177-TS%2C3
>> > >
>> 3-320-131%5E33-320-131-TS%2C33-555-046%5E33-555-046-TS&percm=33-704-177%3A
>> > >
>> %24%24%24%24%24%24%24%3B33-320-131%3A%24%24%24%24%24%24%24%3B33-555-046%3A
>> > > %24%24%24%24%24%24%24> I selected these model routers because they
>> support
>> > > dual band
>> > > capability, multiple 802.11 protocols, and multiple external antennas
>> > > giving you the most coverage in the least complex setup. Keep in mind
>> > > that getting your signal to penetrate through the house and cover your
>> > > yard may still require the use of range extenders. Bear in mind range
>> > > limits  and possible sources
>> > > of interference  (another list of
>> > > interference sources
>> > > > >,
>> > > and
>> > > another ) when
>> > > planning to cover large areas, for devices that operate outside, their
>> > > signal has to be able to travel the expected distance and penetrate
>> > > through the house to get to its closest access point. Another option
>> > > could be to get an external outdoor antenna
>> > > <
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100010072%204
>> > >
>> 342&IsNodeId=1&Description=outdoor%20antenna&name=Wireless%20Accessori
>> > > es&Order=PRICE&Pagesize=20&isdeptsrh=1> that can replace connect to the
>> > > router and run that out to your roof for optimum outdoor coverage.
>> > >
>> > > Trying to cover both indoor AND outdoor reliably can be difficult, ask
>> > > Alex Kot, Chris Egeland, or Craig Bergdorf for more information as I'm
>> > > most familiar with consumer grade product that may not achieve your
>> > > goal. And as someone who must coordinate voice radio comms coverage
>> > > between different sites every year, signal issues can be difficult to
>> > > anticipate and troubleshoot.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Richard Johnson > > >
>> > >  wrote:
>> > > I got a dumb modem at Wal-Mart for my twc. Get a nice router /
>> > > WiFi device. Especially  if you need the range.
>> > > On Feb 3, 2014 9:17 PM, "M

Re: [SH-Discuss] Router compat.

[Omar Rassi]

Alex, is that router going to be able to cover both the house and the yard?
I have a Linksys E3000 Dual Band and it's signal barely extends 50 feet
beyond the walls of my house at 100% transmit power, they're also brick
walls so that's a major factor with that. If Martin's house has brick walls
an outdoor antenna may be the way to go cover his yard like he wants.


On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Torrie Fischer wrote:

> On Tuesday, February 04, 2014 09:56:41 Chris Egeland wrote:
> > Time Warner doesn't provide modems for free, they never have.  You
> > either need to purchase the modem yourself (usually about $50) or rent
> > it for something like $5/mo.
>
> Technically they call it a lease. Mine was $7/mo.
>
> I bought this and have never had any issues with it:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004XC6GJ0/
>
> >
> > It's cheaper to buy the modem upfront, but renting has the advantage of
> > TWC replacing it should something go wrong.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > On 2/4/2014 5:24 AM, alex kot wrote:
> > > Usually Time Warner will provide a modem for free with the service and
> > > then charge you if you need a router.  If you need a modem any DOCSIS
> > > 2.0 or 3.0 modem will work, you can even find people sell them real
> > > cheap on craigslist.  As for a router I would recommend Asus RT-N12
> > > only $40 and gives you a rock solid router.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 1:00 AM, Omar Rassi
> > >  wrote:
> > > with those requirements, you're looking at spending just that much on
> > > your wireless equipment.
> > >
> > > Here is a decent modem
> > >  and
> this
> > > is the same one I have for my TWC service.
> > > <
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825153009&ignorebbr
> > > =1> Here's a comparison of different mid-level wireless routers.
> > > <
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=Property&N=10001
> > >
> 0076%208000&IsNodeId=1&page=4&bop=And&CompareItemList=145%7C33-320-091%5E3
> > >
> 3-320-091-TS%2C33-555-050%5E33-555-050-TS%2C33-704-177%5E33-704-177-TS%2C3
> > >
> 3-320-131%5E33-320-131-TS%2C33-555-046%5E33-555-046-TS&percm=33-704-177%3A
> > >
> %24%24%24%24%24%24%24%3B33-320-131%3A%24%24%24%24%24%24%24%3B33-555-046%3A
> > > %24%24%24%24%24%24%24> I selected these model routers because they
> support
> > > dual band
> > > capability, multiple 802.11 protocols, and multiple external antennas
> > > giving you the most coverage in the least complex setup. Keep in mind
> > > that getting your signal to penetrate through the house and cover your
> > > yard may still require the use of range extenders. Bear in mind range
> > > limits  and possible sources
> > > of interference  (another list of
> > > interference sources
> > >  >,
> > > and
> > > another ) when
> > > planning to cover large areas, for devices that operate outside, their
> > > signal has to be able to travel the expected distance and penetrate
> > > through the house to get to its closest access point. Another option
> > > could be to get an external outdoor antenna
> > > <
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100010072%204
> > >
> 342&IsNodeId=1&Description=outdoor%20antenna&name=Wireless%20Accessori
> > > es&Order=PRICE&Pagesize=20&isdeptsrh=1> that can replace connect to the
> > > router and run that out to your roof for optimum outdoor coverage.
> > >
> > > Trying to cover both indoor AND outdoor reliably can be difficult, ask
> > > Alex Kot, Chris Egeland, or Craig Bergdorf for more information as I'm
> > > most familiar with consumer grade product that may not achieve your
> > > goal. And as someone who must coordinate voice radio comms coverage
> > > between different sites every year, signal issues can be difficult to
> > > anticipate and troubleshoot.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Richard Johnson  > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > I got a dumb modem at Wal-Mart for my twc. Get a nice router /
> > > WiFi device. Especially  if you need the range.
> > > On Feb 3, 2014 9:17 PM, "Martin Pinkston"
> > >
> > > mailto:martinpinks...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> > > I am looking to get TW cable service.
> > > On their website they list comparable modems and routers.
> > > I am going for the $15. per month package.
> > > I keep trying to find a compatible unit at office max or
> > > staples, but can't seem to locate one.
> > > What I'm seeing seems to far surpass twc's requirements.
> > > The other requirement is that I will want to have the RPi
> > > sending video from it perched on my R/C lawn mower back to my
> > > laptop.
> > > My yard is 100' x 200' with the hou

Re: [SH-Discuss] Router compat.

[Torrie Fischer]

On Tuesday, February 04, 2014 09:56:41 Chris Egeland wrote:
> Time Warner doesn't provide modems for free, they never have.  You
> either need to purchase the modem yourself (usually about $50) or rent
> it for something like $5/mo.

Technically they call it a lease. Mine was $7/mo.

I bought this and have never had any issues with it:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004XC6GJ0/

> 
> It's cheaper to buy the modem upfront, but renting has the advantage of
> TWC replacing it should something go wrong.
> 
> Chris
> 
> On 2/4/2014 5:24 AM, alex kot wrote:
> > Usually Time Warner will provide a modem for free with the service and
> > then charge you if you need a router.  If you need a modem any DOCSIS
> > 2.0 or 3.0 modem will work, you can even find people sell them real
> > cheap on craigslist.  As for a router I would recommend Asus RT-N12
> > only $40 and gives you a rock solid router.
> > 
> > 
> > On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 1:00 AM, Omar Rassi
> >  wrote:
> > with those requirements, you're looking at spending just that much on
> > your wireless equipment.
> > 
> > Here is a decent modem
> >  and this
> > is the same one I have for my TWC service.
> >  > =1> Here's a comparison of different mid-level wireless routers.
> >  > 0076%208000&IsNodeId=1&page=4&bop=And&CompareItemList=145%7C33-320-091%5E3
> > 3-320-091-TS%2C33-555-050%5E33-555-050-TS%2C33-704-177%5E33-704-177-TS%2C3
> > 3-320-131%5E33-320-131-TS%2C33-555-046%5E33-555-046-TS&percm=33-704-177%3A
> > %24%24%24%24%24%24%24%3B33-320-131%3A%24%24%24%24%24%24%24%3B33-555-046%3A
> > %24%24%24%24%24%24%24> I selected these model routers because they support
> > dual band
> > capability, multiple 802.11 protocols, and multiple external antennas
> > giving you the most coverage in the least complex setup. Keep in mind
> > that getting your signal to penetrate through the house and cover your
> > yard may still require the use of range extenders. Bear in mind range
> > limits  and possible sources
> > of interference  (another list of
> > interference sources
> > ,
> > and
> > another ) when
> > planning to cover large areas, for devices that operate outside, their
> > signal has to be able to travel the expected distance and penetrate
> > through the house to get to its closest access point. Another option
> > could be to get an external outdoor antenna
> >  > 342&IsNodeId=1&Description=outdoor%20antenna&name=Wireless%20Accessori
> > es&Order=PRICE&Pagesize=20&isdeptsrh=1> that can replace connect to the
> > router and run that out to your roof for optimum outdoor coverage.
> > 
> > Trying to cover both indoor AND outdoor reliably can be difficult, ask
> > Alex Kot, Chris Egeland, or Craig Bergdorf for more information as I'm
> > most familiar with consumer grade product that may not achieve your
> > goal. And as someone who must coordinate voice radio comms coverage
> > between different sites every year, signal issues can be difficult to
> > anticipate and troubleshoot.
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Richard Johnson  > 
> > > wrote:
> > I got a dumb modem at Wal-Mart for my twc. Get a nice router /
> > WiFi device. Especially  if you need the range.
> > On Feb 3, 2014 9:17 PM, "Martin Pinkston"
> > 
> > mailto:martinpinks...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > I am looking to get TW cable service.
> > On their website they list comparable modems and routers.
> > I am going for the $15. per month package.
> > I keep trying to find a compatible unit at office max or
> > staples, but can't seem to locate one.
> > What I'm seeing seems to far surpass twc's requirements.
> > The other requirement is that I will want to have the RPi
> > sending video from it perched on my R/C lawn mower back to my
> > laptop.
> > My yard is 100' x 200' with the house in the middle.
> > And I'm not wanting to spend $200 on a modem/ router.
> > Thanks in advance.
> > 
> > Martin Pinkston
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Router compat.

[Chris Egeland]

Time Warner doesn't provide modems for free, they never have.  You
either need to purchase the modem yourself (usually about $50) or rent
it for something like $5/mo.

It's cheaper to buy the modem upfront, but renting has the advantage of
TWC replacing it should something go wrong.

Chris

On 2/4/2014 5:24 AM, alex kot wrote:
> Usually Time Warner will provide a modem for free with the service and
> then charge you if you need a router.  If you need a modem any DOCSIS
> 2.0 or 3.0 modem will work, you can even find people sell them real
> cheap on craigslist.  As for a router I would recommend Asus RT-N12
> only $40 and gives you a rock solid router.
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 1:00 AM, Omar Rassi
>  wrote:
> with those requirements, you're looking at spending just that much on
> your wireless equipment.
>
> Here is a decent modem
>  and this
> is the same one I have for my TWC service.
>  
> Here's
> a comparison of different mid-level wireless routers.
> 
>  I
> selected these model routers because they support dual band
> capability, multiple 802.11 protocols, and multiple external antennas
> giving you the most coverage in the least complex setup. Keep in mind
> that getting your signal to penetrate through the house and cover your
> yard may still require the use of range extenders. Bear in mind range
> limits  and possible sources
> of interference  (another list of
> interference sources
> , and
> another ) when
> planning to cover large areas, for devices that operate outside, their
> signal has to be able to travel the expected distance and penetrate
> through the house to get to its closest access point. Another option
> could be to get an external outdoor antenna
> 
>  that
> can replace connect to the router and run that out to your roof for
> optimum outdoor coverage.
>
> Trying to cover both indoor AND outdoor reliably can be difficult, ask
> Alex Kot, Chris Egeland, or Craig Bergdorf for more information as I'm
> most familiar with consumer grade product that may not achieve your
> goal. And as someone who must coordinate voice radio comms coverage
> between different sites every year, signal issues can be difficult to
> anticipate and troubleshoot.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Richard Johnson  > wrote:
>
> I got a dumb modem at Wal-Mart for my twc. Get a nice router /
> WiFi device. Especially  if you need the range.
> On Feb 3, 2014 9:17 PM, "Martin Pinkston"
> mailto:martinpinks...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I am looking to get TW cable service.
> On their website they list comparable modems and routers.
> I am going for the $15. per month package.
> I keep trying to find a compatible unit at office max or
> staples, but can't seem to locate one.
> What I'm seeing seems to far surpass twc's requirements.
> The other requirement is that I will want to have the RPi
> sending video from it perched on my R/C lawn mower back to my
> laptop.
> My yard is 100' x 200' with the house in the middle.
> And I'm not wanting to spend $200 on a modem/ router.
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Martin Pinkston
> ___
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss@synhak.org 
> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Router compat.

[alex kot]

Usually Time Warner will provide a modem for free with the service and then 
charge you if you need a router.  If you need a modem any DOCSIS 2.0 or 3.0 
modem will work, you can even find people sell them real cheap on craigslist.  
As for a router I would recommend Asus RT-N12 only $40 and gives you a rock 
solid router.



On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 1:00 AM, Omar Rassi  wrote:
 
with those requirements, you're looking at spending just that much on your 
wireless equipment.

Here is a decent modem and this is the same one I have for my TWC service. 
Here's a comparison of different mid-level wireless routers. I selected these 
model routers because they support dual band capability, multiple 802.11 
protocols, and multiple external antennas giving you the most coverage in the 
least complex setup. Keep in mind that getting your signal to penetrate through 
the house and cover your yard may still require the use of range extenders. 
Bear in mind range limits and possible sources of interference (another list of 
interference sources, and another) when planning to cover large areas, for 
devices that operate outside, their signal has to be able to travel the 
expected distance and penetrate through the house to get to its closest access 
point. Another option could be to get an external outdoor antenna that can 
replace connect to the router and run that out to your roof for optimum outdoor 
coverage.

Trying to cover both indoor AND outdoor reliably can be difficult, ask Alex 
Kot, Chris Egeland, or Craig Bergdorf for more information as I'm most familiar 
with consumer grade product that may not achieve your goal. And as someone who 
must coordinate voice radio comms coverage between different sites every year, 
signal issues can be difficult to anticipate and troubleshoot.




On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Richard Johnson  wrote:

I got a dumb modem at Wal-Mart for my twc. Get a nice router / WiFi device. 
Especially  if you need the range. 
>On Feb 3, 2014 9:17 PM, "Martin Pinkston"  wrote:
>
>I am looking to get TW cable service.
>>On their website they list comparable modems and routers.
>>I am going for the $15. per month package.
>>I keep trying to find a compatible unit at office max or staples, but can't 
>>seem to locate one.
>>What I'm seeing seems to far surpass twc's requirements.
>>The other requirement is that I will want to have the RPi sending video from 
>>it perched on my R/C lawn mower back to my laptop.
>>My yard is 100' x 200' with the house in the middle.
>>And I'm not wanting to spend $200 on a modem/ router.
>>Thanks in advance.
>>
>>Martin Pinkston
>>___
>>Discuss mailing list
>>Discuss@synhak.org
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Router compat.

[Omar Rassi]

with those requirements, you're looking at spending just that much on your
wireless equipment.

Here is a decent
modem
 and this is the same one I have for my TWC
service.
 Here's a comparison of different mid-level wireless
routers.
I
selected these model routers because they support dual band capability,
multiple 802.11 protocols, and multiple external antennas giving you the
most coverage in the least complex setup. Keep in mind that getting your
signal to penetrate through the house and cover your yard may still require
the use of range extenders. Bear in mind range
limits and
possible sources of interference  (another
list of interference
sources
, and another ) when
planning to cover large areas, for devices that operate outside, their
signal has to be able to travel the expected distance and penetrate through
the house to get to its closest access point. Another option could be to
get an external outdoor
antenna
that
can replace connect to the router and run that out to your roof for optimum
outdoor coverage.

Trying to cover both indoor AND outdoor reliably can be difficult, ask Alex
Kot, Chris Egeland, or Craig Bergdorf for more information as I'm most
familiar with consumer grade product that may not achieve your goal. And as
someone who must coordinate voice radio comms coverage between different
sites every year, signal issues can be difficult to anticipate and
troubleshoot.


On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Richard Johnson  wrote:

> I got a dumb modem at Wal-Mart for my twc. Get a nice router / WiFi
> device. Especially  if you need the range.
> On Feb 3, 2014 9:17 PM, "Martin Pinkston" 
> wrote:
>
>> I am looking to get TW cable service.
>> On their website they list comparable modems and routers.
>> I am going for the $15. per month package.
>> I keep trying to find a compatible unit at office max or staples, but
>> can't seem to locate one.
>> What I'm seeing seems to far surpass twc's requirements.
>> The other requirement is that I will want to have the RPi sending video
>> from it perched on my R/C lawn mower back to my laptop.
>> My yard is 100' x 200' with the house in the middle.
>> And I'm not wanting to spend $200 on a modem/ router.
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Martin Pinkston
>> ___
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Router compat.

[Richard Johnson]

I got a dumb modem at Wal-Mart for my twc. Get a nice router / WiFi device.
Especially  if you need the range.
On Feb 3, 2014 9:17 PM, "Martin Pinkston"  wrote:

> I am looking to get TW cable service.
> On their website they list comparable modems and routers.
> I am going for the $15. per month package.
> I keep trying to find a compatible unit at office max or staples, but
> can't seem to locate one.
> What I'm seeing seems to far surpass twc's requirements.
> The other requirement is that I will want to have the RPi sending video
> from it perched on my R/C lawn mower back to my laptop.
> My yard is 100' x 200' with the house in the middle.
> And I'm not wanting to spend $200 on a modem/ router.
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Martin Pinkston
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[SH-Discuss] Router compat.

[Martin Pinkston]

I am looking to get TW cable service.
On their website they list comparable modems and routers.
I am going for the $15. per month package. 
I keep trying to find a compatible unit at office max or staples, but can't 
seem to locate one. 
What I'm seeing seems to far surpass twc's requirements.
The other requirement is that I will want to have the RPi sending video from it 
perched on my R/C lawn mower back to my laptop.
My yard is 100' x 200' with the house in the middle.
And I'm not wanting to spend $200 on a modem/ router.
Thanks in advance.

Martin Pinkston
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