Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Officially recommended version?
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Tom Rondeau t...@trondeau.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Alexandru Csete oz9...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Marcus D. Leech mle...@ripnet.com wrote: On 09/16/2013 10:40 AM, Alexandru Csete wrote: Greetings, I've been going nuts over the past few weeks why new users end up with gnuradio 3.6. Clearly, some of them want to use some funky stuff that has not yet been ported to 3.7, but there are also others who are just clueless and end up with 3.6 by following the instructions. Indeed, according to http://gnuradio.org/redmine/projects/gnuradio/wiki/InstallingGR The recommended way to install is the build-gnuradio script and this script installs the latest 3.6 release. There is no option to install the latest 3.7 release and there is no option to uninstall previously installed 3.6! This may have worked six months ago when there was only 3.6, but it is not acceptable today - unless 3.6 really is the recommended version, which in turn would make me feel like an idiot for distributing stuff that requires 3.7... Anyway, I don't mind having the build-gnuradio script as the recommended tool for installing gnuradio but it should at least offer the latest 3.7 release and force the user to make a decision whether to install 3.6, 3.7 or master. Finally, it is unclear to me what the recommended way to uninstall gnuradio is when using this script. I've seen some people talk about an uninstall-gnuradio script but I can't find any official reference to that. build-gnuradio -m installs 3.7 It was my understanding that -m installs the git head and not the latest 3.7 release. IMHO, git head does not qualify as a stable baseline for application development and distribution. There's still a metric ass-tonne of Gnu Radio stuff out there (including my own applications) that is for 3.6, which is why the default for build-gnuradio is to install 3.6.5.1 My problem is not so much with the script itself as with the fact that it is the recommended way to install. Maybe it is unintentional and a forgotten leftover from the 3.6-days. That is why I am asking for an official opinion, if there is any. It also appears that many fedora and ubuntu versions now come with gnuradio 3.6.5 packaged. Alex Hi Alex, It's actually left over from the very early post-3.7 days. Because of the many OOT projects using 3.6 (or earlier), we wanted to let things settle out before defaulting everyone to 3.7. But from all of the talk on the list and from what I've heard, it sounds like many of the projects people use and are interested in have been moving over to 3.7. It's past time to update that language on the website. This topic is on the agenda for Thursday's developers call. I just want to get any more feedback on the issue before we change things. My thinking right now is that we basically just add an explanation of the 3.6 vs 3.7 to the download page on the website and also how to get the different versions using the different tools. I just want to talk about this out loud on the call to make sure I don't miss anything. On the other hand, I put PyBOMBS above the build-gnuradio script to suggest using the new tool over the build script. But as PyBOMBS was/is new and because of the conversion of OOT projects to 3.7, I left the language that build-gnuradio is the preferred method in there. But it's time to update. Thanks for bringing up the conversation. Hi Tom, Thanks for the info. I think adding a note about 3.6 vs 3.7 would be a good step in the right direction. Alex ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Officially recommended version?
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Alexandru Csete oz9...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Marcus D. Leech mle...@ripnet.com wrote: On 09/16/2013 10:40 AM, Alexandru Csete wrote: Greetings, I've been going nuts over the past few weeks why new users end up with gnuradio 3.6. Clearly, some of them want to use some funky stuff that has not yet been ported to 3.7, but there are also others who are just clueless and end up with 3.6 by following the instructions. Indeed, according to http://gnuradio.org/redmine/projects/gnuradio/wiki/InstallingGR The recommended way to install is the build-gnuradio script and this script installs the latest 3.6 release. There is no option to install the latest 3.7 release and there is no option to uninstall previously installed 3.6! This may have worked six months ago when there was only 3.6, but it is not acceptable today - unless 3.6 really is the recommended version, which in turn would make me feel like an idiot for distributing stuff that requires 3.7... Anyway, I don't mind having the build-gnuradio script as the recommended tool for installing gnuradio but it should at least offer the latest 3.7 release and force the user to make a decision whether to install 3.6, 3.7 or master. Finally, it is unclear to me what the recommended way to uninstall gnuradio is when using this script. I've seen some people talk about an uninstall-gnuradio script but I can't find any official reference to that. build-gnuradio -m installs 3.7 It was my understanding that -m installs the git head and not the latest 3.7 release. IMHO, git head does not qualify as a stable baseline for application development and distribution. There's still a metric ass-tonne of Gnu Radio stuff out there (including my own applications) that is for 3.6, which is why the default for build-gnuradio is to install 3.6.5.1 My problem is not so much with the script itself as with the fact that it is the recommended way to install. Maybe it is unintentional and a forgotten leftover from the 3.6-days. That is why I am asking for an official opinion, if there is any. It also appears that many fedora and ubuntu versions now come with gnuradio 3.6.5 packaged. Alex Hi Alex, It's actually left over from the very early post-3.7 days. Because of the many OOT projects using 3.6 (or earlier), we wanted to let things settle out before defaulting everyone to 3.7. But from all of the talk on the list and from what I've heard, it sounds like many of the projects people use and are interested in have been moving over to 3.7. It's past time to update that language on the website. This topic is on the agenda for Thursday's developers call. I just want to get any more feedback on the issue before we change things. My thinking right now is that we basically just add an explanation of the 3.6 vs 3.7 to the download page on the website and also how to get the different versions using the different tools. I just want to talk about this out loud on the call to make sure I don't miss anything. On the other hand, I put PyBOMBS above the build-gnuradio script to suggest using the new tool over the build script. But as PyBOMBS was/is new and because of the conversion of OOT projects to 3.7, I left the language that build-gnuradio is the preferred method in there. But it's time to update. Thanks for bringing up the conversation. -- Tom Visit us at GRCon13 Oct. 1 - 4 http://www.trondeau.com/grcon13 ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Officially recommended version?
On 09/16/2013 10:40 AM, Alexandru Csete wrote: Greetings, I've been going nuts over the past few weeks why new users end up with gnuradio 3.6. Clearly, some of them want to use some funky stuff that has not yet been ported to 3.7, but there are also others who are just clueless and end up with 3.6 by following the instructions. Indeed, according to http://gnuradio.org/redmine/projects/gnuradio/wiki/InstallingGR The recommended way to install is the build-gnuradio script and this script installs the latest 3.6 release. There is no option to install the latest 3.7 release and there is no option to uninstall previously installed 3.6! This may have worked six months ago when there was only 3.6, but it is not acceptable today - unless 3.6 really is the recommended version, which in turn would make me feel like an idiot for distributing stuff that requires 3.7... Anyway, I don't mind having the build-gnuradio script as the recommended tool for installing gnuradio but it should at least offer the latest 3.7 release and force the user to make a decision whether to install 3.6, 3.7 or master. Finally, it is unclear to me what the recommended way to uninstall gnuradio is when using this script. I've seen some people talk about an uninstall-gnuradio script but I can't find any official reference to that. Alex ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio build-gnuradio -m installs 3.7 There's still a metric ass-tonne of Gnu Radio stuff out there (including my own applications) that is for 3.6, which is why the default for build-gnuradio is to install 3.6.5.1 ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
[Discuss-gnuradio] Officially recommended version?
Greetings, I've been going nuts over the past few weeks why new users end up with gnuradio 3.6. Clearly, some of them want to use some funky stuff that has not yet been ported to 3.7, but there are also others who are just clueless and end up with 3.6 by following the instructions. Indeed, according to http://gnuradio.org/redmine/projects/gnuradio/wiki/InstallingGR The recommended way to install is the build-gnuradio script and this script installs the latest 3.6 release. There is no option to install the latest 3.7 release and there is no option to uninstall previously installed 3.6! This may have worked six months ago when there was only 3.6, but it is not acceptable today - unless 3.6 really is the recommended version, which in turn would make me feel like an idiot for distributing stuff that requires 3.7... Anyway, I don't mind having the build-gnuradio script as the recommended tool for installing gnuradio but it should at least offer the latest 3.7 release and force the user to make a decision whether to install 3.6, 3.7 or master. Finally, it is unclear to me what the recommended way to uninstall gnuradio is when using this script. I've seen some people talk about an uninstall-gnuradio script but I can't find any official reference to that. Alex ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Officially recommended version?
Hi, I think it's clear that any new development should be done on 3.7 and people still having 3.6 projects should be working on migration (if those projects are still considered active/maintained). However it's pretty evident that it's not going to happen overnight and so currently the only viable option for users that don't have one particular application in mind is to have both installed and using different prefixes which unfortunately build-gnuradio doesn't support. Cheers, Sylvain ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Officially recommended version?
Hi, Anyway, I don't mind having the build-gnuradio script as the recommended tool for installing gnuradio but it should at least offer the latest 3.7 release and force the user to make a decision whether to install 3.6, 3.7 or master. It offers the option, but only for those who know it, by using the -m option. However I agree it would be nicer if it actively asked, do you want to install 3.6 or 3.7 latest build?. Ralph. ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Officially recommended version?
You know there's --help right? -- Principal Investigator Shirleys Bay Radio Astronomy Consortium http://www.sbrac.org On Sep 16, 2013, at 10:04 AM, Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras ra...@schmid.xxx wrote: Hi, Anyway, I don't mind having the build-gnuradio script as the recommended tool for installing gnuradio but it should at least offer the latest 3.7 release and force the user to make a decision whether to install 3.6, 3.7 or master. It offers the option, but only for those who know it, by using the -m option. However I agree it would be nicer if it actively asked, do you want to install 3.6 or 3.7 latest build?. Ralph. ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Officially recommended version?
Of course, but one who has no idea of the different versions sees no need to check what exactly -m is :) Ralph. -Original Message- From: Marcus D. Leech [mailto:mle...@ripnet.com] Sent: Monday, 16 September, 2013 19:48 To: Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras Cc: Alexandru Csete; discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org Subject: Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Officially recommended version? You know there's --help right? -- Principal Investigator Shirleys Bay Radio Astronomy Consortium http://www.sbrac.org On Sep 16, 2013, at 10:04 AM, Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras ra...@schmid.xxx wrote: Hi, Anyway, I don't mind having the build-gnuradio script as the recommended tool for installing gnuradio but it should at least offer the latest 3.7 release and force the user to make a decision whether to install 3.6, 3.7 or master. It offers the option, but only for those who know it, by using the -m option. However I agree it would be nicer if it actively asked, do you want to install 3.6 or 3.7 latest build?. Ralph. ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Officially recommended version?
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Marcus D. Leech mle...@ripnet.com wrote: On 09/16/2013 10:40 AM, Alexandru Csete wrote: Greetings, I've been going nuts over the past few weeks why new users end up with gnuradio 3.6. Clearly, some of them want to use some funky stuff that has not yet been ported to 3.7, but there are also others who are just clueless and end up with 3.6 by following the instructions. Indeed, according to http://gnuradio.org/redmine/projects/gnuradio/wiki/InstallingGR The recommended way to install is the build-gnuradio script and this script installs the latest 3.6 release. There is no option to install the latest 3.7 release and there is no option to uninstall previously installed 3.6! This may have worked six months ago when there was only 3.6, but it is not acceptable today - unless 3.6 really is the recommended version, which in turn would make me feel like an idiot for distributing stuff that requires 3.7... Anyway, I don't mind having the build-gnuradio script as the recommended tool for installing gnuradio but it should at least offer the latest 3.7 release and force the user to make a decision whether to install 3.6, 3.7 or master. Finally, it is unclear to me what the recommended way to uninstall gnuradio is when using this script. I've seen some people talk about an uninstall-gnuradio script but I can't find any official reference to that. build-gnuradio -m installs 3.7 It was my understanding that -m installs the git head and not the latest 3.7 release. IMHO, git head does not qualify as a stable baseline for application development and distribution. There's still a metric ass-tonne of Gnu Radio stuff out there (including my own applications) that is for 3.6, which is why the default for build-gnuradio is to install 3.6.5.1 My problem is not so much with the script itself as with the fact that it is the recommended way to install. Maybe it is unintentional and a forgotten leftover from the 3.6-days. That is why I am asking for an official opinion, if there is any. It also appears that many fedora and ubuntu versions now come with gnuradio 3.6.5 packaged. Alex ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Officially recommended version?
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Sylvain Munaut 246...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I think it's clear that any new development should be done on 3.7 and people still having 3.6 projects should be working on migration (if those projects are still considered active/maintained). However it's pretty evident that it's not going to happen overnight and so currently the only viable option for users that don't have one particular application in mind is to have both installed and using different prefixes which unfortunately build-gnuradio doesn't support. It's not an issue for development but for distribution. As it is right now you can not even distribute a simple grc flowgraph without explicit instructions about which version it requires and how to install it. Alex ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
