回复： How to remove channel noise?
Hi, Thank you Johannes and Kyeong Su Shin for your enthusiastic responses. I now have some thoughts on my question. Thank you very much for your help. Sincerely！ --原始邮件-- 发件人: "Johannes Demel"
Re: How to remove channel noise?
Hi, besides the hint to work through textbooks, I'd like to point out that you will probably have more success if you start with nearly perfect "Channel Model" coefficients and then observe changes in the following order: 1. Noise Voltage: 0 (and raise it slowly e.g. in 1e-2 increments. 2. Taps: 1 + 0j (play around with more values, change it to a vector e.g. [1., .3+.3j]) 3. Frequency Offset: 0 (Increase this value slowly observe the constellation sink) 4. Epsilon: 1.0, supposed to simulate sample rate mismatch between transmitter and receiver. Further, it'd be a good idea to start with e.g. QPSK as an initial constellation. It is sufficiently simple and easy to observe channel influences. Cheers Johannes On 18.06.21 08:50, Kyeong Su Shin wrote: Hello 能书能言, You can take multiple samples and average out the noise (if the transmitted signal is not varying quickly), but you need to obtain channel estimates in order to recover the original phase and amplitude. You will have to transmit additional signals (known by the receiver) and use them as the reference signals to recover the channel state. Please note that long-term averaging may not work as expected on real-world environments, due to the non-stationary channel and various hardware imperfections, like CFO. You are probably better off if you just use off-the-shelf digital transceivers to transmit data in digital manner (if you are not required to implement things in this way.. by some weird reason). If you have to implement this by yourself (in real-world, especially), I recommend going through information theory and communication theory textbooks before jumping into the implementation. (Also, 2V noise in the channel noise block is somewhat... high. Pretty low SINR it is. ) Regards, Kyeong Su Shin *보낸 사람:* 能书能言 <2127629...@qq.com> 대신 Discuss-gnuradio *보낸 날짜:* 2021년 6월 18일 금요일 오후 12:46 *받는 사람:* discuss-gnuradio *제목:* How to remove channel noise? Hi,guys. My flowchart is attached in the attachment, this is just a test case. I sent a constant complex number directly to pass it through a channel module, and the received result was also expected, and it was seriously disturbed. The real situation is like this. I have several such complex constant data (there may be hundreds or thousands). If I send it directly like this, I will definitely suffer similar interference, so is there any good way to make it? Can I send and receive these data accurately? In other words, there may still be interference, but at least it is within a controllable range. Remarks: These data are plural data, not file dataThanks in advance! Sincerely
Re: How to remove channel noise?
Hello 能书能言, You can take multiple samples and average out the noise (if the transmitted signal is not varying quickly), but you need to obtain channel estimates in order to recover the original phase and amplitude. You will have to transmit additional signals (known by the receiver) and use them as the reference signals to recover the channel state. Please note that long-term averaging may not work as expected on real-world environments, due to the non-stationary channel and various hardware imperfections, like CFO. You are probably better off if you just use off-the-shelf digital transceivers to transmit data in digital manner (if you are not required to implement things in this way.. by some weird reason). If you have to implement this by yourself (in real-world, especially), I recommend going through information theory and communication theory textbooks before jumping into the implementation. (Also, 2V noise in the channel noise block is somewhat... high. Pretty low SINR it is. ) Regards, Kyeong Su Shin 보낸 사람: 能书能言 <2127629...@qq.com> 대신 Discuss-gnuradio 보낸 날짜: 2021년 6월 18일 금요일 오후 12:46 받는 사람: discuss-gnuradio 제목: How to remove channel noise? Hi,guys. My flowchart is attached in the attachment, this is just a test case. I sent a constant complex number directly to pass it through a channel module, and the received result was also expected, and it was seriously disturbed. The real situation is like this. I have several such complex constant data (there may be hundreds or thousands). If I send it directly like this, I will definitely suffer similar interference, so is there any good way to make it? Can I send and receive these data accurately? In other words, there may still be interference, but at least it is within a controllable range. Remarks: These data are plural data, not file data Thanks in advance! Sincerely
How to remove channel noise?
Hi,guys. My flowchart is attached in the attachment, this is just a test case. I sent a constant complex number directly to pass it through a channel module, and the received result was also expected, and it was seriously disturbed. The real situation is like this. I have several such complex constant data (there may be hundreds or thousands). If I send it directly like this, I will definitely suffer similar interference, so is there any good way to make it? Can I send and receive these data accurately? In other words, there may still be interference, but at least it is within a controllable range. Remarks: These data are plural data, not file data Thanks in advance! Sincerely tx_symbols.pdf Description: Binary data
