Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Frameworks
Mach-ii just never clicked for me. I tried it for a week before throwing my hands up and moving to Model-Glue. Within a day the M-G style of coding was really sinking in, within a week it was like I'd never done anything differently. From an ease of use perspective I think M-G makes a heck of a lot more sense and is easier to get up and running ASAP. Of course, YMMV. Given MCG's situation, I'd stick with something that she can get up to speed on quickly which, in my mind, is M-G. Besides, it has two of the three letters in her initials. MCG -> M-G ;-) -dhs Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH [EMAIL PROTECTED] "I have always strenuously supported the right of every man to his own opinion, however different that opinion might be to mine. He who denies another this right makes a slave of himself to his present opinion, because he precludes himself the right of changing it." -- Thomas Paine, 1783 Find out about my Hike for Discovery at www.fullfrontalnerdity.com/hfd On Jun 12, 2006, at 9:36 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have worked with fusebox and mach-ii. Fusebox was good, but mach- ii makes sense to me. I started my development work in C++ and a pure OO environment. It's a pretty simple rule: Display logic only in the view, the controller (listeners) controls flow between the model (base objects & dao) and the views. The events in mach-ii are your interface from the view to the controller. Confusing to most, but it makes sense to me. I like mach-ii. ap -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of neville bent Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 10:55 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Frameworks Hi MCG, I don't often like to comment on this sort of thing but... My comments are only about "easy to learn" aspects of frameworks within my experience. My CF experience: Nearly 6 years now Fusebox 3 - simple Fusebox 4 + MVC - Love it Mach-ii - I still don't get it after a whole year... The Mach-ii list I found to be very unhelpful, in fact downright rude... I'm so tired of reading documentation that was written in Martian... and comments in the same aforementioned language. Whereas the FB 3 & 4 lists were and are a real community effort if not fragmented Mach-ii is not easy to learn. We are a team of 6 developers, 2 of whom grasp it quite well, one knows what to do with uncertainty, and the other 3 (including me), have to ask all the time. And I concur with other comments. Architecture decisions are very important. I've seen some nasty FB 4 (& 3) code written around less than well thought out architecture. my .02 cents From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: discussion@acfug.org To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Frameworks Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 15:45:00 -0400 Thanks everyone for all the links. And I thought I would be bored this weekend, lol. Seems like the consensus is that Model Glue is the framework of choice these days. Any votes/biases for anything else? mcg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - To: discussion@acfug.org From: Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 06/09/2006 03:28PM Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Frameworks MCG - There's a pretty good quickstart guide for MG http://www.model-glue.org/quickstart/index.html If you have an hour or so to sit down and go through the guide, you should have a feel for whether or not it's suitable for your development team's skill set. It does have a lower learning curve than Mach-II, and seems to have a very good balance of features. -Cameron On 6/9/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How quickly do you see team members with little OO experience picking this up (MG is OO only, correct?)? - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - ---
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Frameworks
I have worked with fusebox and mach-ii. Fusebox was good, but mach-ii makes sense to me. I started my development work in C++ and a pure OO environment. It's a pretty simple rule: Display logic only in the view, the controller (listeners) controls flow between the model (base objects & dao) and the views. The events in mach-ii are your interface from the view to the controller. Confusing to most, but it makes sense to me. I like mach-ii. ap -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of neville bent Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 10:55 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Frameworks Hi MCG, I don't often like to comment on this sort of thing but... My comments are only about "easy to learn" aspects of frameworks within my experience. My CF experience: Nearly 6 years now Fusebox 3 - simple Fusebox 4 + MVC - Love it Mach-ii - I still don't get it after a whole year... The Mach-ii list I found to be very unhelpful, in fact downright rude... I'm so tired of reading documentation that was written in Martian... and comments in the same aforementioned language. Whereas the FB 3 & 4 lists were and are a real community effort if not fragmented Mach-ii is not easy to learn. We are a team of 6 developers, 2 of whom grasp it quite well, one knows what to do with uncertainty, and the other 3 (including me), have to ask all the time. And I concur with other comments. Architecture decisions are very important. I've seen some nasty FB 4 (& 3) code written around less than well thought out architecture. my .02 cents >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: discussion@acfug.org >To: discussion@acfug.org >Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Frameworks >Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 15:45:00 -0400 > >Thanks everyone for all the links. And I thought I would be bored this >weekend, lol. Seems like the consensus is that Model Glue is the framework >of choice these days. Any votes/biases for anything else? mcg > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - > >To: discussion@acfug.org >From: Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Date: 06/09/2006 03:28PM >Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Frameworks > >MCG - > >There's a pretty good quickstart guide for MG >http://www.model-glue.org/quickstart/index.html > >If you have an hour or so to sit down and go through the guide, you >should have a feel for whether or not it's suitable for your >development team's skill set. It does have a lower learning curve >than Mach-II, and seems to have a very good balance of features. > >-Cameron > >On 6/9/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > How quickly do you see team members with little OO experience picking >this > > up (MG is OO only, correct?)? > > >- >To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ >http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform > >For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists >Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ >List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com >- > > > > > > >- >To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ >http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform > >For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists >Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ >List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com >- > > > - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
FW: [ACFUG Discuss] A little off discussion - Flash Video Encoder
Never mind … I figured out that you need to actually embed it into an HTML doc before you can actually view it … From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dusty Hale Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 3:37 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] A little off discussion - Flash Video Encoder This is a little off the CF discussion but does anyone know anything about Flash Video Encoder? I was going to try to encode an avi into Flash video but when I use Flash Video Encoder 8, the file it produces does not run anything but a blank Flash Player window. Does the file need to be embedded into something? Am I missing anything here? Dusty - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
[ACFUG Discuss] A little off discussion - Flash Video Encoder
This is a little off the CF discussion but does anyone know anything about Flash Video Encoder? I was going to try to encode an avi into Flash video but when I use Flash Video Encoder 8, the file it produces does not run anything but a blank Flash Player window. Does the file need to be embedded into something? Am I missing anything here? Dusty - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Frameworks
I'm sort of partial towards my own framework, Tardis. http://www.illumineti.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=cat&catid=28B26753-C09F-25C5-832AE045709158C1 Shawn Gorrell Web Development Applications Architect Federal Reserve Bank - Atlanta Office (404) 498-8449 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/09/2006 03:45 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Frameworks Thanks everyone for all the links. And I thought I would be bored this weekend, lol. Seems like the consensus is that Model Glue is the framework of choice these days. Any votes/biases for anything else? mcg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - To: discussion@acfug.org From: Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 06/09/2006 03:28PM Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Frameworks MCG - There's a pretty good quickstart guide for MG http://www.model-glue.org/quickstart/index.html If you have an hour or so to sit down and go through the guide, you should have a feel for whether or not it's suitable for your development team's skill set. It does have a lower learning curve than Mach-II, and seems to have a very good balance of features. -Cameron On 6/9/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How quickly do you see team members with little OO experience picking this > up (MG is OO only, correct?)? - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
