RE: [ACFUG Discuss] CF vs Velocity
Thanks Doug. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com <http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/> _ From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 8:30 AM To: Carbs Sales&Service Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] CF vs Velocity On 1/21/07, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: Not meaning to start some thing but here goes and somehow I smell one side of a flame war being sparked. AbleCommerce CFMX5.5 uses Jakarta Velocity to manage dynamic email generation. I have bought 2 books on Velocity and done much searching about Velocity on the net and the more I read I find that it may be an alternative application language to CF. In my application I have: Able Commerce (Java Based Cart) with a CF built Web Output and management application. I am running MySQL4, but will upgrade to 5 when I know it will be ok, and have the time to do it. I use Navicat (and LOVE IT) to manage MySQL. I have a need to develop an intranet to bring AbleCommerce to the level that it isn't, for my application. With all that my mind asks the question... Could Struts and Velocity do the same job? If yes what are the pros and cons? yes, they could. Struts and Velocity are a combo of framework and JSP tag lib, plus a few other classes. ColdFusion is not much different really, but it encapsulates more low level 'stuff' and will be quicker to pick up and run with. Struts and Velocity are going to require quite a bit more understanding of J2EE/Java. What motivated me to ask this question? I stumbled onto this blog comment at http://weblogs.macromedia.com/cantrell/archives/2003/04/controlling_whi.cfm <http://weblogs.macromedia.com/cantrell/archives/2003/04/controlling_whi.cfm > And if you are on MX, and are using Java, why use CF at all? Just move over to a struts/Velocity/Servlet framework and do away with the crap called ColdFusion. Comments?? PS. Charlie I know its not my day but what the hey? Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com <http://Motorcyclecarbs.com> , Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com <http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com> - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform <http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform> For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists <http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists> Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ <http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/> List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com <http://www.fusionlink.com> - -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com <http://www.cubicleman.com> this is my signature, like it? - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform <http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform> For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists <http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists> Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ <http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/> List hosted by FusionLink <http://www.fusionlink.com> -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] CF vs Velocity
On 1/21/07, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Not meaning to start some thing but here goes and somehow I smell one side of a flame war being sparked. AbleCommerce CFMX5.5 uses Jakarta Velocity to manage dynamic email generation. I have bought 2 books on Velocity and done much searching about Velocity on the net and the more I read I find that it may be an alternative application language to CF. In my application I have: Able Commerce (Java Based Cart) with a CF built Web Output and management application. I am running MySQL4, but will upgrade to 5 when I know it will be ok, and have the time to do it. I use Navicat (and LOVE IT) to manage MySQL. I have a need to develop an intranet to bring AbleCommerce to the level that it isn't, for my application. With all that my mind asks the question... Could Struts and Velocity do the same job? If yes what are the pros and cons? yes, they could. Struts and Velocity are a combo of framework and JSP tag lib, plus a few other classes. ColdFusion is not much different really, but it encapsulates more low level 'stuff' and will be quicker to pick up and run with. Struts and Velocity are going to require quite a bit more understanding of J2EE/Java. What motivated me to ask this question? I stumbled onto this blog comment at http://weblogs.macromedia.com/cantrell/archives/2003/04/controlling_whi.cfm And if you are on MX, and are using Java, why use CF at all? Just move over to a struts/Velocity/Servlet framework and do away with the crap called ColdFusion. Comments?? PS. Charlie I know its not my day but what the hey? Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] CF vs Velocity
On 1/21/07, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: AbleCommerce CFMX5.5 uses Jakarta Velocity to manage dynamic email generation. I have bought 2 books on Velocity and done much searching about Velocity on the net and the more I read I find that it may be an alternative application language to CF. You're correct. Velocity is a Java-interpreted web scripting language similar to CF. With all that my mind asks the question... Could Struts and Velocity do the same job? Sure. Struts is an Java-based application framework, analagous to Fusebox or Mach II or Model-Glue. And if you are on MX, and are using Java, why use CF at all? Just move over to a struts/Velocity/Servlet framework and do away with the crap called ColdFusion. What you've stumbled upon is politely called a "troll". Both because he's ugly and because the behavior is much like a fisherman in a bass boat moving slowly across a lake trying to get a bite on their line. Notice the name he signed the post with: "I Hate CF". Such people are not to be taken seriously when they offer advice. From a more pragmatic point of view, yes, Struts and Velocity could most likely do the same job, as could half-a-dozen or more other frameworks. The question you have to answer is which is best for you. If you have the budget to hire some programmers fluent in the framework in question, then you can debate the merits of the framework. If you don't and you're going to be doing the coding yourself, then you should poke around at Java some and see if you seem more at home than in CF. My bet is that you're better off in CF. -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Gliddy glub gloopy / Nibby nabby noopy / La la la lo lo / Sabba sibby sabba / Nooby abba nabba / Le le lo lo / Tooby ooby walla / Nooby abba naba / Early morning singing song" - Good Morning Starshine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
[ACFUG Discuss] CF vs Velocity
Not meaning to start some thing but here goes and somehow I smell one side of a flame war being sparked. AbleCommerce CFMX5.5 uses Jakarta Velocity to manage dynamic email generation. I have bought 2 books on Velocity and done much searching about Velocity on the net and the more I read I find that it may be an alternative application language to CF. In my application I have: Able Commerce (Java Based Cart) with a CF built Web Output and management application. I am running MySQL4, but will upgrade to 5 when I know it will be ok, and have the time to do it. I use Navicat (and LOVE IT) to manage MySQL. I have a need to develop an intranet to bring AbleCommerce to the level that it isn't, for my application. With all that my mind asks the question... Could Struts and Velocity do the same job? If yes what are the pros and cons? What motivated me to ask this question? I stumbled onto this blog comment at http://weblogs.macromedia.com/cantrell/archives/2003/04/controlling_whi.cfm And if you are on MX, and are using Java, why use CF at all? Just move over to a struts/Velocity/Servlet framework and do away with the crap called ColdFusion. Comments?? PS. Charlie I know its not my day but what the hey? Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
