Re: rich services dominating in media (Re: Wiki page about Free Software for remote working)
Am Mittwoch, 1. April 2020, 21:17:48 CEST schrieb Paul Boddie: > To one person, the experience may feel > productive; to others, it might be another interruption to their day. > Well, what do you think about the wiki page as an example of the tone you > prefer? It is a good start, the version I've read a few minutes ago still promises a little bit too much, examples: "most proprietary solutions are just replacements of good Free Software solutions with a similar or better level of functionality" "replacement for skype" It is also technical. As you write above, to make real use of remote technology, it needs instructions and hints about how to use it, addressing personal and group workflows. The wiki page does not offer such instructions how to change a workflow to profit e.g. from a combination of email, mumble, jitsi and moinmo.in wiki. Best, Bernhard -- www.intevation.de/~bernhard +49 541 33 508 3-3 Intevation GmbH, Osnabrück, DE; Amtsgericht Osnabrück, HRB 18998 Geschäftsführer Frank Koormann, Bernhard Reiter, Dr. Jan-Oliver Wagner signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: supporting our fellowship representative
Daniel, Am Mittwoch 29 August 2018 22:57:18 schrieb Daniel Pocock: > If you look at any of the significant resignations of CEOs or political > leaders, it is usually the same pattern: they have done many good things > but then they made one miscalculation and they have to go for the good > of the organization. to me this is a highly simplified view and I do not share it. To me it is a lot of work to be the leading moderator of an organisation, I don't think what you've stated above would stand a serious examination. In addition the FSFE is not just another company or political party. > Notice that in this case, there is quantifiable evidence that the number > of fellows has been falling since they were told they are only > "supporters". Even if there were, I cannot see how you would link it to the name change. And even if you did, maybe it was good to clarify the relation as it has been from the beginning even in the name? In addition the FSFE is not about the number of supporters, it is about furthering Free Software and the education of Free Software for the public benefit. > In any organization with a genuine democracy, there > would already be at least one other person campaigning for the role of > president right now. As I did explained elsewhere: The FSFE cannot be a "democracy" (as we cannot know who is the "demos" and we are not a mandatory "membership" organisation like a state.) Best Regards, Bernhard -- www.intevation.de/~bernhard +49 541 33 508 3-3 Intevation GmbH, Osnabrück, DE; Amtsgericht Osnabrück, HRB 18998 Geschäftsführer Frank Koormann, Bernhard Reiter, Dr. Jan-Oliver Wagner signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: supporting our fellowship representative
Hi Paul, Am Mittwoch 29 August 2018 19:02:48 schrieb Paul Boddie: > Certainly, using the construct of the Fellowship to facilitate wider > participation in executive decision-making appears to have failed. even this I would not unconditionally agree too. The fellowship has help us to grow and to bring in more opinions. > However, writing as someone who perceived the Fellowship as being a way of > getting involved with the activities of the FSFE, as well as something of a > differentiator from other organisations with similar goals, the decline and > elimination of the Fellowship The Fellowship continues, under the name of "supporter". The change was also made to honor active FSFE people that were not able to support us financially, as there were missunderstandings of the terms with some which kept active Free Software back. > seems to have had a negative impact on general engagement, > at least as far as I can see from visible public > activity related to the organisation. My observation is different, as you have written, there is too much politics on this lists, less people prefer mailinglists and the technical sphere is getting bigger and more complicated. Also FSFE (which includes our active people and supporters) has been growing and endures growing pains while trying to find better ways to communicate with each others. > Of course, I could be completely wrong and may have missed obvious > indications of a vibrant supporter community, but then we return to those > matters of transparency and effective communication that seem to lie at the > heart of many of the misunderstandings and grievances articulated in this > and in earlier discussions. In history of FSFE, we were reaching more goals when we were limiting our time spending on bureaucratic issue and discussion general concepts (like "democray", "transparency", "governance") because in my experience there are some vocal people that we will never win over by discussing this in too much depth. In contrast we are losing other people that want Free Software policy and other stuff done, while doing so. Thus personally do not share the conclusion of your observations. Best Regards, Bernhard -- www.intevation.de/~bernhard +49 541 33 508 3-3 Intevation GmbH, Osnabrück, DE; Amtsgericht Osnabrück, HRB 18998 Geschäftsführer Frank Koormann, Bernhard Reiter, Dr. Jan-Oliver Wagner signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: supporting our fellowship representative
Hi Luke, Am Dienstag 28 August 2018 10:18:11 schrieb lukerog...@tutanota.com: > I never saw an association cancel the elections. Is that legal? that is only part of the story: Legally there is an association based on German law to support FSFE's work where we have chosen a minimal approach for members because those members are legally responsible, may hold legal assets for Free Software and we want to be sure that it cannot be taken over. (I darkely remember that we also had the history and some lessons of Richard Stallman's legal associations in mind.) The membership of the e.V. of course has to be able to vote and legally be responsible for the actions of the executive representatives. In 2005 we wanted to have something like a "supporting membership", because many people wanted to show that they are continuously supporting us financially and otherwise as FSFE. We called this fellowship because we thought this to be a cool name and there we no voting rights. Later there was the idea to get more member into the e.V. maybe even changing the legal structure towards one that is much more open for members and refrains from the minimal principle. This is a course of action that some in the FSFE still believe could be worth examining or enacting the in the future. To do steps into this direction we started doing a temporary membership selected by our supporting members. This was governed by the constitution which a larger majority of the members have to agree to. In the last years we found out that this was not working as we had expected. Many supporting members fould the elections to be a hassle, they took up a lot of time and there was not as many candidates we would like to. Many time we had to do a lot to even find and encourage candidates. After trying to fix the situation a majority came to the conclusion that FSFE would be better off without those temporary seats to pursue other ways to include more people that care for Free Software and are willing to do the hard work of a small NGO. So the large majority changed the constituion again. In order to have more time to be dedicated to actually working towards furthering Free Software and organisation related to it. > My fellowship contribution isn't going to FSFE next > year, give the money to a local group where everything is done by > volunteers and not careerists in Berlin. In my conviction we need paid employees, many successful NGO have them. The work needs full time dedication. The wages paid by FSFE are below the average for comparable tasks. > The FSFE transparency pages are hilarious. FSFE chose the transparency > checklist from Transparency International because it lets them have > transparency credentials but their checklist doesn't ask to publish the > salaries like the FSF and other groups. Can you supply the link to the salary lists of those organisations? (A quick search could't find it. Is there also information to place this salary in comparison what people in the same place and position would get?) In order to be able to win and hold employees, we at FSFE negociate the salaries between e.V. and each person individually and in private. The salaries are controlled by the e.V. members, the public because you can divide the number of people with the published budget and see the average numbers and the tax office because we can only pay salaries that are comparable to similiar positions to retain our charity status. Best Regards, Bernhard -- www.intevation.de/~bernhard +49 541 33 508 3-3 Intevation GmbH, Osnabrück, DE; Amtsgericht Osnabrück, HRB 18998 Geschäftsführer Frank Koormann, Bernhard Reiter, Dr. Jan-Oliver Wagner signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
FS prefered for EU's Connecting Europe Facility (CEF) programme?
Hello, does somebow know if Free Software solutions are getting a plus or are preferred for software that is developed within the European Union's Connecting Europe Facility (CEF) funding programme. https://ec.europa.eu/inea/en/connecting-europe-facility If so, is there a place where this is publically stated? For instance this is the link to the "internal strategy": https://ec.europa.eu/info/departments/informatics/open-source-software-strategy_en Is there a statement for CEF transport, for instance? Best, Bernhard -- www.intevation.de/~bernhard +49 541 33 508 3-3 Intevation GmbH, Osnabrück, DE; Amtsgericht Osnabrück, HRB 18998 Geschäftsführer Frank Koormann, Bernhard Reiter, Dr. Jan-Oliver Wagner signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
