Re: nitter equivalent for telegram

[V F]

Hmmm...

> I believe, it would be more productive to ask something more specific —
> namely, what do you what to achieve.
>

Lets say I would like to see if my question was asked and solved
cannot as it is at

https://t.me/phhtreble


>> Many communities get locked behind it and I cannot access anything.
>
> Locked behind what?  If you have not access to a certain ‘community’ (i. e.

https://t.me/phhtreble

> resource), how do you expect a third-party useragent to help you with that?
>
just like nitter or bibliogram.

> As for (b), many various SaaSʼes exist out there, including some
> Telegram-related, but I found it inappropriate to advertise them here.

Then do not type here!


>
> As for (a), I have never heard of one, and I am not surprised of that for
> the following reason.  https://twitter.com is a modern ‘webapp’ written in a
> clean client-server manner, so writing Nitter was a task of writing
> alternative frontend for undocumented yet pretty stable API.  While
> https://t.me is implemented in a more old-school fashion (it is rather akin
> to ), which on the one hand makes it perfectly
> usable without running ad-hoc javascripts in your browser, but on the other
> hand makes writing a client for it an unpleasant task, that requires parsing
> an output for humans.
>
> There is quite a few free clients for non-anonymous Telegram interface,
> though, including the official one.
>
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nitter equivalent for telegram

[V F]

Is there anything like a nitter equivalent for telegram. Many
communities get locked behind it and I cannot access anything.
Thanks!
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Fwd: Best video conferencing/distance learning tools?

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I have had very good experience with whereby.com (company from Norway
though not hosted by me). They seem to have very decent privacy policy
and you do not need any app install for using it.
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Is there any organisation like this in Europe?

[V F]

https://itdrc.org

The Information Technology Disaster Resource Center (ITDRC) was
founded in 2008 to provide communities with the technical resources
necessary to continue operations and begin recovery after a disaster.

We harness the collective resources of the technology community to
provide no cost Information, Communications, and Technology (ICT)
solutions that connect survivors and responders in crisis.
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Re: suggestions/request for fsfe

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Agree a lot with PB and apologies in advance.

> I suggest you join forces with some friends/your local hacker space to set up 
> your own pihole instance. Sadly privacy means hard work but its worth it ;)

This is the reason why I asked if a non-profit regional or global
organisation can do it -to avoid conflict of interest. And there are
more people to take care of servers. Doing it in a locally mean -
friends/people keep moving - changing life always means things are
left to die. Of course, ideally, a company should do so that it lasts
longer - but then profit motives come along and ruin any
honesty/transparency.

> My guess would be, that the FSFE is simply too busy with keeping their 
> existing infrastructure running, to setup yet another public service that 
> needs maintenance.
>
> Also, it is the goal of the FSFE to educate people about technology and the 
> best way people learn is by doing. It is far better when people learn to use 
> technology to protect themselves and their friends independently then if 
> they'd just make use of some provider without understanding what's going on. 
> In the end they'd end up having to trust yet another party (the FSFE in this 
> case).
>

Sure you can teach or bring awareness. But seriously:
May be this *educate* strategy did not work (well  - at least)
May be this decade (or end of last decade) needs a rethink of
strategy. As people change, new generation view consumption of
information differently. Otherwise, don't you think the *same* old
strategy will bite the dust? Even if you educate people they will use
netflix or amazon. Thinking 2000s type is not viable anymore, at least
I feel.

1. An artist/taxi driver/chef/biologist cannot install pi-hole, tried
it. People are afraid/reluctant to muck with electronics.
2. Even in my local fsfe chapter none of the individuals have pi-hole
(Reasons: Ahh.. sd-card failed, no micro-usb charger, sorry iPhone
user blah..)
3. People that are vulnerable are the ones that need *easy/simple*
help - not complicate their lives.
4. People have no time
5. Any change in peoples's behavior must be done as easy as possible
6. Take for example, fair trade (I mean the concept not trademark) -
they do not say buy your 'wool' and DIY. Just establish something and
bring it to customer in a quick way. May be you can charge a few EUR
to use the DNS or whatever.
7. If some thing like FSFE absolve oneself from responsibility then I
ask what or who would do these stuff?


Are there plans to reevaluate strategies/plans since FSFE founding in
2001? Can it be same forever?

> But as I noted in my previous message, having a broad and coherent strategy
> means providing "actionable" solutions, and if a solution such as pi-hole
> isn't practical then organisations like the FSFE should be looking to
> facilitate improvements in order to strengthen and deliver that strategy.

100 % agree

Having 'actionable' solutions is paramount if one needs to provide it
for 'end-user'.  Honestly, the pages of 'print' material that every
time I find our chapter distributes and later I find 'most' of them
going to 'bin' in the corner of the street as the 'public' skims over
the FOSS booklet and dumps it like a 'religious' pamphlet. Instead,
build a virtual server may be more eco-friendly. Sorry.

> Saying "Free Software is great" and then "you're on your own" is not a
> credible strategy.

This 'attitude from foss fans' especially makes one sound like a snob
- absolutely counter productive (and people run to iOS/macOS).  Please
take some inspiration from F-Droid or newpipe or
SmartYouTubeTV/nitter. Sure, newpipe promotes/uses proprietary
services - but average human cannot be '100 % pure' living with webm.
Of course code development of newpipe is done in github (purists get
crazy again).

Apologies once again if this was rude. Again this is not pointed at
FSFE or so. Overall I mean any overall FOSS type communities - us as a
whole including myself (who is new to this world).
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suggestions/request for fsfe

[V F]

Dear all (mainly FSFE team),

First wish you all a new year and appreciate your solid work.

My email may look a bit annoying but please think it as a request (not
a native english person).

Over the holidays I (being the crazy family geek) speaks about adblock
(µblock origin) and many in family are bored but a bit thinking it is
a good idea. With many smartphone + TVs - I sent (whatsapp) links to
these people but realized soon everyone ignore this as running pi-hole
is too much work. No one wants to touch router if it f up.

After Googleing a bit I found there are few pi-hole open to everyone to use.
https://pi-dns.com
https://public-pihole.com/

I am not an expert in network (actually a zoologist) things but I was
wondering why not FSFE build a open pihole server?

Instead of trusting some people on the internet (there are warnings
about using someones dns server???) FSFE is a trustable place.

This finally rounds up studies that say *people* do *care* about
privacy but to enable this is too much effort. (other than buying
Apple devices - at least people think)

Would it not be better FSFE does *real* practical help to world?

Every year here in our chapter we distribute flyers but many go to
bin. Why? Not easy to do it?
Want to avoid google search but others are not good (enough)?
Want to  google docs - no easy docs in phone!
Want to stop MS-office - forced by enterprise/job!
Want to stop Gmaps but ...

Are there any legal reasons FSFE does not want to get into adblocking?
Or is it money?

Educating public/law makers is good intension - but at the end of the
day people need practical help. Or finally I found many end up buying
Apple devices - assuming they automagically get privacy - despite
using Gmaps, or Google search etc.  How long can people be tracked
(especially our friends) until law changes or helps. I feel worry
because some smartTVs are traking with even mic.

*So people really want to do change but it is help are presented in a
easy way. *

What about a simple VPN service or pihole type adblock. Every small
thing will help the innocent citizen?

Sorry if my email was rude...

Wish you a good start for wonderful year.
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