Re: [Attention] Do not follow to unsubscribe (was: Hijacking attempt by Daniel Pocock)
Hi Christian, I am also not directly involved in this, but I think legal action (not necessarily suing someone, but for example filing GDPR violations or possibly criminal charges with the police) are very much appropriate. I am not sure what laws are concerned here in detail but I think such a massive violation of privacy and attacking & manipulating our infrastructure is not just a mess to be cleaned up, it requires the proper legal response as well. The nice thing is that this is not a decision anyone needs to make for the community. For example, anyone who wants to can file a GDPR violation with their local data protection officer. Those who don't want to do that, don't need to. Happy hacking! Florian ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: [Attention] Do not follow to unsubscribe (was: Hijacking attempt by Daniel Pocock)
Hi Christian, On 03.05.19 08:00, Christian Imhorst wrote: > Am 02.05.2019 12:59 schrieb Erik Albers: >> We will stop this attack as soon as possible and discuss the case with legal >> experts to take action accordingly. > > can you please tell us what do you want to achieve or what's the result of the > discussion with legal experts? > > It's not okay what Daniel did and hijacking our maillinglist is a no-go. I > hope he will clean up the mess asap. But the FSFE should take care and help > the community to evolve. What we really shouldn't do is to take each other to > court or to threaten with lawyers. Well, I am not a lawyer and I cannot say what we will be the result of a consultation with legal experts. And I agree that bringing a case to court should be the last option to do. But try to take for a second the other point of view: We are an organisation with tens of thousands supporters, followers, friends and volunteers. It is in the overall communities interest to protect them among other things against misuse of their data and our infrastructure. There is nothing more I can say for now because personally I am not further involved in the process and it is not me to decide if and where the line of criminal activity has been passed or not. Best, Erik -- No one shall ever be forced to use non-free software Erik Albers | Programme Manager, Communication | FSFE OpenPGP Key-ID: 0x8639DC81 on keys.gnupg.net ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: Hijacking attempt by Daniel Pocock
Hi everyone, One of my corrections has not gone through either. I don't care about my mail, but it shows that Daniel lies even about these basic things such as not filtering mails. Up until this episode, I still gave him the benefit of the doubt, but now I have no idea anymore how he could possibly think his actions would benefit Free Software if his accusations are full of lies, if he is breaking the law by spamming people, and if he repeatedly lies about how to unsubscribe. Happy hacking! Florian ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: Hijacking attempt by Daniel Pocock
On 03.05.19 10:08, Christian Kalkhoff wrote: > Dear all, > > Am Donnerstag, 2. Mai 2019, 09:43:44 CEST schrieb Michael Kesper: >> Dear all, >> >> It seems that former fellowship representative Daniel Pocock has >> a) set up a mailing list discuss...@lists.fsfellowship.eu > > It seems to me, that either the list is broken by now or got switched to > moderated. I sent there a mail, that never got delivered (to me at least). On > the other side, there were mails, that came through. this is already the third email by three different persons that I am aware of that is not delivered on discuss...@lists.fsfellowship.eu. and then quoting Daniel again: "I'd like to focus on one simple and constructive issue: how can fellows and the rest of the free software community move to a censorship-free way of working?" that looks like an epic fail to me... Best, Erik -- No one shall ever be forced to use non-free software Erik Albers | Programme Manager, Communication | FSFE OpenPGP Key-ID: 0x8639DC81 on keys.gnupg.net ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: Hijacking attempt by Daniel Pocock
Dear all, Am Donnerstag, 2. Mai 2019, 09:43:44 CEST schrieb Michael Kesper: > Dear all, > > It seems that former fellowship representative Daniel Pocock has > a) set up a mailing list discuss...@lists.fsfellowship.eu It seems to me, that either the list is broken by now or got switched to moderated. I sent there a mail, that never got delivered (to me at least). On the other side, there were mails, that came through. I will keep you informed about the state of delivery, if anything new happens, but here is the mail for now. I do send it here anyway because it should be a known fact, that Daniels term regularity ended on 24th April 2019. I hope that clarifies some of the statements of his: > Hi Daniel, > > Am Donnerstag, 2. Mai 2019, 20:24:41 CEST schrieb Daniel Pocock: > > You elected me as a community representative. An election is something > > I take very seriously. The winner has a mandate to take action. > > Your election was announced at 2017-04-25 to the community. Even under the > words of the old statute, your term was set for 2 years. Saying this, the > actions you recently took didn't happen during your term as an elected > representative in either way. > > Now calm down and enjoy your retirement. > > Best > Christian Best Christian -- Christian Kalkhoff - Softwarebefreier - software liberator Supporter of FSFE https://softmetz.de https://blogs.fsfe.org/softmetz signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: [Attention] Do not follow to unsubscribe (was: Hijacking attempt by Daniel Pocock)
Hello Erik, Am 02.05.2019 12:59 schrieb Erik Albers: We will stop this attack as soon as possible and discuss the case with legal experts to take action accordingly. can you please tell us what do you want to achieve or what's the result of the discussion with legal experts? It's not okay what Daniel did and hijacking our maillinglist is a no-go. I hope he will clean up the mess asap. But the FSFE should take care and help the community to evolve. What we really shouldn't do is to take each other to court or to threaten with lawyers. Regards, Christian ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
[Attention] Do not follow to unsubscribe (was: Hijacking attempt by Daniel Pocock)
Dear list-subscribers, On 02.05.19 09:43, Michael Kesper wrote: > It seems that former fellowship representative Daniel Pocock has > a) set up a mailing list discuss...@lists.fsfellowship.eu > b) subscribed all participants of this list (I guess) > c) Sent an email asking people to unsubscribe from _this_ list > > Clearly, I did not give consent to b) nor c). > > I hereby ask FSFE officials to use all available legal tools against these > eclatant DSGVO and privacy violations in order to protect its subscribers. we are really sorry for this having happened and can ensure that the list discuss...@lists.fsfellowship.eu is not run by the FSFE nor is it in any other way part of FSFE's infrastructure or communication channels. IP-adresses associated with the infrastructure behind discuss...@lists.fsfellowship.eu indicate that the list is run by Daniel Pocock. Again, we can ensure that neither Daniel Pocock nor anyone else ever had allowance to misuse our list of subscribers for their private infrastructure. [Attention] Meanwhile a script is being misused to unsubscribe all members of this list discussion@lists.fsfe.org automatically without their consent. If you like to stay on this list and you receive a mail to confirm your removal, do not follow the link! We will stop this attack as soon as possible and discuss the case with legal experts to take action accordingly. Feeling sorry for any inconvenience, Erik for the FSFE -- No one shall ever be forced to use non-free software Erik Albers | Programme Manager, Communication | FSFE OpenPGP Key-ID: 0x8639DC81 on keys.gnupg.net ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: Hijacking attempt by Daniel Pocock
On May 2, 2019 7:43:44 AM UTC, Michael Kesper wrote: >Dear all, > >It seems that former fellowship representative Daniel Pocock has >a) set up a mailing list discuss...@lists.fsfellowship.eu >b) subscribed all participants of this list (I guess) >c) Sent an email asking people to unsubscribe from _this_ list > >Clearly, I did not give consent to b) nor c). > >I hereby ask FSFE officials to use all available legal tools against >these >eclatant DSGVO and privacy violations in order to protect its >subscribers. > >Best wishes >Michael I have escalated this to system hackers earlier today. Hope they will be able to action soon. ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Hijacking attempt by Daniel Pocock
Dear all, It seems that former fellowship representative Daniel Pocock has a) set up a mailing list discuss...@lists.fsfellowship.eu b) subscribed all participants of this list (I guess) c) Sent an email asking people to unsubscribe from _this_ list Clearly, I did not give consent to b) nor c). I hereby ask FSFE officials to use all available legal tools against these eclatant DSGVO and privacy violations in order to protect its subscribers. Best wishes Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
