Re: [Distutils] PyPA Announcements Twitter
On 01/26/2015 06:54 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: I also had a look at the current contents of the python-announce list, and I suspect even that would be a bit high volume if we had significant PyPI and core packaging toolchain announcements intermingled with the other existing announcements related to conferences and various popular Python packages. FWIW, I did the same and ended up where you did. So a packaging toolchain specific changelog/announcement channel likely makes sense. Based on another of Nick's posts, it seems like this mailing list would want to include significant news/announcements for the following areas: * PyPI-the-service * PyPI-the-software-project * PyPA-the-ecosystem IMO, these areas are often linked and someone who is interested in one of them is likely interested in the others or, at least, not very annoyed at the prospect of seeing announcements related to them. So, setting up the list and the twitter connection is likely pretty easy. However, it won't work unless those who are doing the work in these areas are willing to flag the changes happening that need to be communicated on the packaging-announce list. Who would those people be and do they like this idea enough to be willing to support it? Is there some kind of PyPA board or committee that would need to be a part of this decision? *Randy Syring* Husband | Father | Redeemed Sinner /For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul? (Mark 8:36 ESV)/ ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
Re: [Distutils] PyPA Announcements Twitter
On 26 Jan 2015, at 20:08, Randy Syring ra...@thesyrings.us wrote: On 01/26/2015 01:27 PM, Jannis Leidel wrote: On 25 Jan 2015, at 21:03, Marc Abramowitz msabr...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, they do: https://twitter.com/ThePyPA But I don't know if they are in the habit of thinking to use it every time something worthy happens. Currently this is a one man operation that could probably be hooked up with a RSS feed to be honest. So not something that you should rely on for anything important. But I'm +1 on pypa-announce, so I just created it over here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/pypa-announce Jannis I think it's important that the twitter account be used for to promote announcements on pypa-announce. Twitter can be shared/retweeted much easier and you are going to see a better spreading of messages that way. That was why I suggested we figure out a way to link the list to the twitter account automatically. Who owns the twitter account? Are they ok with having pypa announcements show up there? I do, and yeah, I'm okay for it to show up there. I'll set up a feed2twitter thing. I asked around a few months ago when I registered it if others in the PyPA team want access to it for the occasional manual announcement, but I agree that having a mailing list may be less controversial for the receiving parties. I didn't get many positive responses from the others anyway :) Jannis ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
Re: [Distutils] PyPA Announcements Twitter
On 01/26/2015 02:12 PM, Jannis Leidel wrote: On 26 Jan 2015, at 20:08, Randy Syring ra...@thesyrings.us wrote: On 01/26/2015 01:27 PM, Jannis Leidel wrote: On 25 Jan 2015, at 21:03, Marc Abramowitz msabr...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, they do: https://twitter.com/ThePyPA But I don't know if they are in the habit of thinking to use it every time something worthy happens. Currently this is a one man operation that could probably be hooked up with a RSS feed to be honest. So not something that you should rely on for anything important. But I'm +1 on pypa-announce, so I just created it over here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/pypa-announce Jannis I think it's important that the twitter account be used for to promote announcements on pypa-announce. Twitter can be shared/retweeted much easier and you are going to see a better spreading of messages that way. That was why I suggested we figure out a way to link the list to the twitter account automatically. Who owns the twitter account? Are they ok with having pypa announcements show up there? I do, and yeah, I'm okay for it to show up there. I'll set up a feed2twitter thing. I asked around a few months ago when I registered it if others in the PyPA team want access to it for the occasional manual announcement, but I agree that having a mailing list may be less controversial for the receiving parties. I didn't get many positive responses from the others anyway :) Jannis It seems this discussion might now be more appropriate on the pypa-dev list. I'll pick it up with you there. *Randy Syring* Husband | Father | Redeemed Sinner /For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul? (Mark 8:36 ESV)/ ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
Re: [Distutils] PyPA Announcements Twitter
On 01/26/2015 12:14 PM, Marcus Smith wrote: +1 to a pypa-announce list. I personally care more about the list than twitter. at this point, probably need to post the idea to pypa-dev, and get a few +1's there, and get someone to agree to execute on the idea. there's a few people there that don't monitor distutils-sig Marcus Thanks for the pointer. I put a post out on pypa-dev. Randy ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
Re: [Distutils] PyPA Announcements Twitter
+1 to a pypa-announce list. I personally care more about the list than twitter. at this point, probably need to post the idea to pypa-dev, and get a few +1's there, and get someone to agree to execute on the idea. there's a few people there that don't monitor distutils-sig Marcus On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Marc Abramowitz msabr...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 25, 2015, at 11:45 AM, Randy Syring ra...@thesyrings.us wrote: Therefore, I'd like to propose something like a packaging-announce mailing list. This could be linked to the PyPA Twitter account. Then, announcements that pertain to the broader Python community would be cross posted to the distutils-sig and packaging-announce (and therefore twitter). +1 to this. I think the key observation here is that there are two audiences when it comes to packaging: 1. A large audience of folks who are package authors and maintainers, who want to know about the latest developments and best practices. 2. The smaller audience of folks who know packaging well and are working hard to improve it and having discussions among themselves on how to best move things forward. I don't know of an information channel that serves #1 well. The ones I know of try to handle both. I think having different channels for each group will improve the experience for both groups. Randy, I'm willing to help if you want. Marc ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
Re: [Distutils] PyPA Announcements Twitter
On 27 January 2015 at 05:12, Jannis Leidel jan...@leidel.info wrote: Who owns the twitter account? Are they ok with having pypa announcements show up there? I do, and yeah, I'm okay for it to show up there. I'll set up a feed2twitter thing. I asked around a few months ago when I registered it if others in the PyPA team want access to it for the occasional manual announcement, but I agree that having a mailing list may be less controversial for the receiving parties. I didn't get many positive responses from the others anyway :) Thanks for tackling this folks. Cheers, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | ncogh...@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
Re: [Distutils] PEP 440 on PyPI
On 26 January 2015 at 03:27, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote: On Jan 25, 2015, at 12:01 PM, Ian Cordasco graffatcolmin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 10:52 AM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: The advantage of a blog is having news entries persist and be easy to find, while at the same time simplifying the whole publishing process. Anyway, just a suggestion. I still don't understand the benefit. You could just as easily have the mailing list mirrored to a blog if we felt it would help but distutils-sig has public archives and (I think) is indexed by Google. Donald, Paul, Nick, Richard, Jason, and everyone else whose name I'm forgetting are already working a lot on PyPI, packaging, pip, setuptools, etc. I don't see the benefit in maintaining the blog on top of their other responsibilities. Maybe if someone else steps up to be an editor and take mailing list posts and turn them into blog posts, that'd be cool, but I don't see the value in making them maintain yet another thing on top of what they do. I’ve thought about doing something like this https://devcenter.heroku.com/changelog but I hadn’t had the time to actually do anything to make it a thing. I think that's probably the kind of thing that would be most useful, rather than a full blog. It could link back to the relevant distutils-sig posts in the archives for additional context. The key is to have a place to track and report changes to PyPI-the-service rather than PyPI-the-software-project or PyPA-the-ecosystem. Given that single source of truth, we can figure out how best to send it other places (e.g. RSS, Twitter). (RSS in particular could be syndicated to Planet Python) As far as why isn't the mailing list enough? goes, the problem with the list is that it also handles a lot of *other* traffic. Similarly, @pypi on Twitter reports all the package updates, so it's too noisy to be particularly useful to report Hey, we just changed something on PyPI, if you get unexpected behaviour, check if it may be related! While having such a feed available won't necessarily stop people from being surprised the first time they encounter an unexpected change, being able to answer How can I avoid being surprised like this again? with Subscribe to this tightly focused RSS feed can make the difference between a genuinely unhappy user (they got a nasty surprise, and have no low investment way to reduce the risk of it happening again in the future), and a temporarily annoyed one (they still got a nasty surprise, but they also learned about a useful information feed highly relevant to their interests). Regards, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | ncogh...@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
Re: [Distutils] PyPA Announcements Twitter
On 26 January 2015 at 06:33, Marc Abramowitz msabr...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 25, 2015, at 11:45 AM, Randy Syring ra...@thesyrings.us wrote: Therefore, I'd like to propose something like a packaging-announce mailing list. This could be linked to the PyPA Twitter account. Then, announcements that pertain to the broader Python community would be cross posted to the distutils-sig and packaging-announce (and therefore twitter). +1 to this. I think the key observation here is that there are two audiences when it comes to packaging: 1. A large audience of folks who are package authors and maintainers, who want to know about the latest developments and best practices. 2. The smaller audience of folks who know packaging well and are working hard to improve it and having discussions among themselves on how to best move things forward. I don't know of an information channel that serves #1 well. The ones I know of try to handle both. I think having different channels for each group will improve the experience for both groups. I also had a look at the current contents of the python-announce list, and I suspect even that would be a bit high volume if we had significant PyPI and core packaging toolchain announcements intermingled with the other existing announcements related to conferences and various popular Python packages. So a packaging toolchain specific changelog/announcement channel likely makes sense. Regards, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | ncogh...@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
