Re: [Distutils] 400 Client Error: Binary wheel for an unsupported platform
On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 05:39:13 -0400 Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/07/2015 07:43 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: That's a dramatically uninformed statement, to put it politely... Some packages have difficult-to-meet build dependencies, and can also take a long time to do so. In the general case, it is *exactly* those projects which are going to trip people up when you upload their binary wheels to PyPI: there will be no way to know that the compiled-in stuff will work on any Linux, and solving the problem of which Linux variants a given wheel can support is intractable. Seriously, how this is even supposed to be relevant? The whole point is to produce best-effort packages that work on still-supported mainstream distros, not any arbitrary Linux setup. Instead of lecturing people about what is in your opinion intractable, how about you just shut up, if you don't have anything constructive to contribute? Regards Antoine. ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
Re: [Distutils] 400 Client Error: Binary wheel for an unsupported platform
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/07/2015 07:43 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: That's a dramatically uninformed statement, to put it politely... Some packages have difficult-to-meet build dependencies, and can also take a long time to do so. In the general case, it is *exactly* those projects which are going to trip people up when you upload their binary wheels to PyPI: there will be no way to know that the compiled-in stuff will work on any Linux, and solving the problem of which Linux variants a given wheel can support is intractable. At least for performance-snesitev codes, building on an old, least-common-denominator platform has been unsat: squeezing out the most peformance on a newer machine requires compiling on exactly that platform, using the best compiler available for it (and maybe tweak options differently than are even possible on the LCD platform). llvmlite, the package I'm talking about, builds against the development libraries for LLVM 3.6 (a non-trivial download and install, assuming you can find binaries of that LLVM version for your OS version otherwise, count ~20 minutes to compile it with a modern quad-core CPU). We regularly have bug reports from people failing to compile the package on Linux (and OS X), which is why we are considering the option of pre-built binary wheels (in addition to the conda packages we already provide, and which some people are reluctant to use). A conda pacakge solves the problem by pinning all the underlying non-Python dependencies to known-good versions, which makes it the right choice for folks who cannot / won't build it themselves. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVnO/AAAoJEPKpaDSJE9HY01kQAJV3Jht+KBdBfWn9w5G+/bD9 /8XRweaHFl+jBhFc+NEKjZg1Nfcz+bF8PHvC/unsUF4hBMJyeMtAadutDYVvlbOb hjUnY7BF94ssP1HcNJW9x7eQfKiwQqdOxr+4r15YkYGf0osW/JJ3SXYj/R9GwQ1c d/ZlTFtbL+fZaEEwUHS8pr3J2hx9HELFPQI3VCdt7AomNqGMoM92UDPXcyOvLUTB OfswrojVM2g1NJclvVEbd0FXIO/ScQeDYVd767LIynMbv4xQoB8/Bs9B1RBEj+gj ZphfRFtGssEHiNKN0Txk9Z22aYqQhlmxiJJx4mqT5qaSyY15iG34WsBh3gwqaDvR o2VaWMDAtxunqqiB2E1NXGzPH5InivalG1laPxYs2SZJMsYn0M3y0FDgNaV0vHuO JC3U1ckVm/oeuLhmaHmi/qzfaFTAxo4JPPcTxYnAdhVWqmWOQJRz/q20acpUu7Cx ZrezhYOVeDkF5AB+XyU6O4e7a0zB7r9jKKSIn/6EJHrMQ+l744U3nT+mJ31CIIO2 ZAYAm/ZOQK8MtSBAi9rVLzKmkyOAnUX/Fnil6uBYHAeBiIRy+BLExuzcT/0bNBXi Gfhzky8/rw7RCdBUTHeWY1y+2cZpq3BzFDSZqXMPT79SA3I+kQ9wAyyRI0x5tB6s 0ujHYOv331tJooipuYrY =JH2E -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
Re: [Distutils] 400 Client Error: Binary wheel for an unsupported platform
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/08/2015 07:10 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Seriously, how this is even supposed to be relevant? The whole point is to produce best-effort packages that work on still-supported mainstream distros, not any arbitrary Linux setup. I'm arguing that allowing PyPI uploads of binary wheels for Linux will be actively harmful. The chance that hundreds of project maintainers can get the dance you are suggesting right is iffectively nil: it requires them to compile wheel only on some unspecified LCD platform which most of them will have no access to. Once uploaded, mis-built wheels will cause no end of pain for the hapless users who try to use them. conda *is* the right solution for distributing cross-platform binaries for the relatively small in number (but not importance) hard-to-build packages. Instead of lecturing people about what is in your opinion intractable, how about you just shut up, if you don't have anything constructive to contribute? Really? Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVnVhpAAoJEPKpaDSJE9HYnxIP/0b9dCEHarpzzzZP+fam04i2 a1sdxLn5RodGcUF9kid4KsdtOMc3D1sKf0yLbuBA7z1ctMYsPDYPcmvlo4cW2iSJ WHYaBm1nJ1JUIxBDagWl5IhIO+aMtRmBQ+UnRj2vQi6Clga/d0M0T1+lNhAJy4hs SogpFx3SayW+BotThqY1JGvAaKyM5hGYARAQIlrxWk2Ei6pff4mNAdXd3t1hjqg0 Y6PlBVCo9APFtbtO2AyzdVY5Mp4D6QqDcdj3NhjHsukvPTlpgv1dk+jJgPJfTxCw Gx0Gv2Zt673y9QNOer6Lp3A/jkLG6w5mnY9K3lid+wx3Pv4wd3NNy+O2FuopKHZc RdE1mWVe5W4ufSJVhdaXTOj5Eww9KnL5SH3KbTYBbDST7c9pFM0tnk/8Lq+4OU0z soGCrZtH5mjof7LPDkvVh/j/mrLeRo+Wz9JsaAb8+PZVDuBSEfHKDxoKcmO0VzAx weJE24eNfqCLzbQKhaIiXWA21D2jE1KxdUuzf0qJwwlkPaa4BmvMzJ0iKMeZYFf4 lYnBhNBJhZSGDTPpXRiM3Q73bzxvz3OYY/+6lcZU+LYx8LIHmQMrgHDddh2E9FvQ BC4sfIBGt+LTbZPSsK0xp+MbX1yoW4TcXZeA/fe8/e2GY0UFgKQRD44Fa0hRdU7b QXabMbyCHLKEKxc+xmXF =Lrn9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
Re: [Distutils] 400 Client Error: Binary wheel for an unsupported platform
On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 13:05:45 -0400 Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/08/2015 07:10 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Seriously, how this is even supposed to be relevant? The whole point is to produce best-effort packages that work on still-supported mainstream distros, not any arbitrary Linux setup. I'm arguing that allowing PyPI uploads of binary wheels for Linux will be actively harmful. There is no point in reinstating an argument that has already been made and discussed in the other subthread (of course, you would have to read it first to know that). Regards Antoine. ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
