2014-10-11 23:48 GMT+01:00 Darrell Fuhriman <darr...@garnix.org>: > On Oct 10, 2014, at 19:45, Paul Norman <penor...@mac.com> wrote: >> One last thought - where would the forums fit in this? They're on >> openstreetmap.org, but not run by the OSMF, so the forum admins would be >> perfectly capable of saying no to any code of conduct. What would happen >> then? > > Does OSMF not have any control over what’s on openstreetmap.org? What’s wrong > with saying “You can agree to the code of conduct, or you can get off of > openstreetmap.org and we’ll replace the forums”?
Probably in theory that's possible, but such a "stand-off" situation is extremely unlikely, given the social and admin structure of OSM/OSMF, in particular OSMF's oft-stated ambition to support rather than control OSM. But more importantly, we don't need to worry about these particular hypotheticals, since we have no need to ensure roll-out across all channels. As others have said, it makes more sense to develop our CoC usage incrementally rather than as a top-down dictat, for many reasons. It wouldn't worry me if the gatekeepers to one particular channel decide against adopting/enforcing a particular CoC. We can develop the approach in other channels, and try to spread good practice as we go, learning from the experience we accumulate. > Here’s my question, and this needs to be clarified (probably deserves its own > thread): > > Who is responsible for deciding what action needs to be taken in the case of > CoC violations? > > A CoC without a body willing and able to enforce it is just window dressing. Well I disagree that it would be "just window dressing": written guidelines can often serve as community norms, even with no official enforcers. Having said that, it definitely helps to have some responsiblity for making it happen. But we already have that! It seems likely that the people who moderate the individual components of OSM (forum moderators, mailing list moderators, the Data Working Group) would decide, just as they decide now when to block spammers/vandals or whatever. We already have these moderators, and the responsibility is decentralised across them. Best Dan _______________________________________________ diversity-talk mailing list diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/diversity-talk
