The current Etiquette Guidelines is not enough. By the title, it is just a "guideline" - a suggestion or a piece of advice.
We really need a *CODE* of Conduct that is enforceable with a committed moderator or working group. As a non-native English speaker, I have to look up the definitions in the dictionary to confirm. =Arnalie On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 1:06 AM Mikel Maron <mikel.ma...@gmail.com> wrote: > The etiquette guidelines have issues, but I’m not sure that’s one. If > there was moderation and enforcement in place, than we wouldn’t need to > call out publicly. Moderator could step in to do that. Prefer that way of > handling it. > > Mikel > > On Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 11:33 AM, Rory McCann < > r...@technomancy.org> wrote: > > Have any of yous read the Ettiquette Guidelines¹? They're rubbish. > > Frederik broke them by publically calling Mike Migurski out, and for not > assuming he was acting in good faith. *But* if anyone publishes something > saying “What Frederik did was wrong” (like I (& others) did), then they are > also breaking the Ettiquette Guidelines! That's a horrible outcome! > > ¹ https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Etiquette > > On Wed, 9 Dec 2020, at 16:57, Maggie Cawley wrote: > > I am so happy to see this thread. I believe it will take all of us > > coming together and speaking with a unified voice to bring upon the > > change we need at the global level. As Clifford mentioned, a few of us > > from the LCCWG met on Monday to start talking about next steps. It's > > not about one statement, but rather that discussions and comments like > > those from this past week affect us all as we work to build diverse > > communities around the world. > > > > Rob, Clifford and I discussed the need for a CoC, but when Rob pointed > > out the Etiquette Guidelines exist and are pretty widely accepted it > > seems like a logical place to start. It would also enable us to move a > > bit more quickly since the document exists and won't need many rounds > > of community feedback. What is missing is the process for moderation > > and a committee available to moderate any complaints on breaches of > > etiquette. It would be helpful to review and suggest edits to the > > existing guidelines during this process as well. For the US CoC it took > > about 8 months to finalize the CoC and moderation process, and find > > volunteers for a committee. > > > > I look forward to growing the conversation. Thanks Heather for starting > > this thread here and to all of you who are stepping forward! > > > > Maggie Cawley > > > > > > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 at 21:30, arnalie faye vicario <afsvica...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hello/*Kumusta*, > > > > > > *Salamat*/Thanks everyone for continuing the conversations and taking > this seriously. > > > > > > It is good to speak up and comment about it in our individual > capacities, but a collective can build a fire 🔥 (charcoal comparison). > > > > > > This is what we did in OSM PH's Call to Correct Narratives About > Geospatial Work in the Philippines (re: Amazon-HOT video). < > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/a/aa/A_Call_to_Correct_Narratives_about_Geospatial_Work.pdf > > > > > > > > Also, I would like to quote and highlight what David Garcia > (@mapmakerdavid) has shared in Twitter: > > >> It is not just the maps that matters. Who *makes* the maps matters. > Who *tells* the stories of the mapping matters, too. Who *LEADS* the > mapping and storytelling also matters. Who *gets powerful* due to the > mapping and storytelling matters most. > > > > > > Thank you Geochicas, Celine @mapeadora, Heather, Rebecca, Miriam > @mapanauta, Nelson Minar, LCCWG Group, OSMF past/present Board members > (Kate, Rory and Mikel), HOT Community WG and everyone who expressed support > and has spoken up (apologies if I missed your name). It is really > encouraging and inspiring. Please add your thoughts in the document: > https://docs.google.com/document/d/130JCTX9ve4H4ORXznmIVTpXiN3TX8nRGA8ayuTZ9ECI/edit > > > > > > In case you missed it (like me), here is what Celine sent in the OSM > talk mailing list: > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2020-December/085727.html. > > > > > > Let us keep the fire burning! > > > > > > =Arnalie > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 5:54 AM Clifford Snow <cliff...@snowandsnow.us> > wrote: > > >> I should mention that what we, Maggie Crawely, Rob Nickerson and > myself, want to accomplish is to create a committee to moderate the > existing etiquette guidelines and later update the guidelines to reflect > best practices of Code of Conducts.We planned to form a sub committee under > the LCCWG since CoC is critical to Local Chapters. We did a survey of Local > Chapters and those considering forming one. The results showed that 5 LC > already had a CoC, 6 did not and 6 were consider or in a discussion to have > a CoC. > > >> > > >> Clifford > > >> > > >> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 1:36 PM Heather Leson <heatherle...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > >>> Always > > >>> Heather Leson > > >>> heatherle...@gmail.com > > >>> Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson > > >>> Blog: textontechs.com > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:31 PM Clifford Snow < > cliff...@snowandsnow.us> wrote: > > >>>> Heather - A small group of the LCCWG met via BigBlueButton > yesterday to start a similar initiative. I was going to send an invite to > the rest of the LCCWG as well as to this mailing list. Since you have the > ball rolling, can you include lo...@osmfoundation.org in the mailing. > > >>>> > > >>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 1:22 PM Heather Leson < > heatherle...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>> Great. working in the draft now. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Thank you right back. Saturday is just a way to discuss this > restart. We can keep building. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Heather > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Heather Leson > > >>>>> heatherle...@gmail.com > > >>>>> Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson > > >>>>> Blog: textontechs.com > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:10 PM Gertrude Namitala < > trudyho...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>>> Thanks Heather for starting this. I will try to be available. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Kind regards, > > >>>>>> Trudy > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Tue, 8 Dec 2020, 23:05 Mikel Maron, <mikel.ma...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > >>>>>>> This is great > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 03:55:49 PM EST, Heather Leson < > heatherle...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Great! Editing now > > >>>>>>> Hope we can have an initial chat > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> heather > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Heather Leson > > >>>>>>> heatherle...@gmail.com > > >>>>>>> Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson > > >>>>>>> Blog: textontechs.com > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:33 PM Rebecca Firth < > rebecca.fi...@hotosm.org> wrote: > > >>>>>>> > Hi Heather, > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > Thanks for setting that up - I'll need to jig some things > around but really hope to be able to join that meeting. Some people had > already started working on a statement to share. I am sharing here for > allies to add comments they would like to raise, and to identify people who > are keen to move this work forward: > https://docs.google.com/document/d/130JCTX9ve4H4ORXznmIVTpXiN3TX8nRGA8ayuTZ9ECI/edit > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > Thanks, > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > Rebecca > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:21 PM Heather Leson < > heatherle...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>> >> Hey > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> >> A few of us are going to meet this saturday about code of > conduct in osm. There is a codw of conduct but we think there needs to be > more. We can also touch on the diversity work that mikel shared previously. > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> >> 1500 utc before the osmf board meeting at 1600 utc. > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> >> Hope you can join. This will be a small group discussion. We > can always widen the circle later. > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> >> Link to be shared later. Note this will be a safe and > positive space discussion. We will adhere strongly to the diversity list > code. > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> >> Thanks so much > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> >> Heather > > >>>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>> >> Diversity-talk mailing list > > >>>>>>> >> Code of Conduct: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct > > >>>>>>> >> Contact the mods (private): > diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > -- > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>> Diversity-talk mailing list > > >>>>>>> Code of Conduct: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct > > >>>>>>> Contact the mods (private): > diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>> Diversity-talk mailing list > > >>>>> Code of Conduct: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct > > >>>>> Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> @osm_washington > > >>>> www.snowandsnow.us > > >>>> OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> @osm_washington > > >> www.snowandsnow.us > > >> OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Diversity-talk mailing list > > >> Code of Conduct: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct > > >> Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Diversity-talk mailing list > > > Code of Conduct: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct > > > Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Diversity-talk mailing list > > Code of Conduct: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct > > Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Diversity-talk mailing list > Code of Conduct: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct > Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org > > _______________________________________________ > Diversity-talk mailing list > Code of Conduct: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct > Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org >
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