Re: [Diversity-talk] Diversity 2020 Article
Would a Code of Conduct also apply to social media that are not controlled by OSM/OSMF? E.g. Twitter is currently used by a certain part of the community to ridicule and criticize people writing on the mailing lists. regards m. On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 1:16 AM Clifford Snow wrote: > > https://www.techrepublic.com/article/diversity-why-open-source-needs-to-work-on-it-in-2020/ > is an interesting read. The article talks about open source, but I don't see > any significant difference between an open data project or an open source > software project. > > What I took away from the article is > > We need to be more inclusive > Men (especially over 45) don't see diversity as an issue > Younger community members see things getting better > We need a clear and enforced Code of Conduct to create a welcoming community > Quotas are not the answer > > Just for the record, I'm a while male over (way over) 45. > > Happy New Year, > Clifford > > -- > @osm_washington > www.snowandsnow.us > OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch > ___ > Diversity-talk mailing list > Code of Conduct: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct > Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org ___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org
[Diversity-talk] Mapper of the Month: Yasunari Yamashita (Japan)
This month we interviewed 2 Japanese mappers. The first interview is can be found on the Belgian website [1]. The Japanese version as a diary entry [2]. The second one will be publish in the next couple of days. I hope you enjoy reading it. regards m. [1] http://www.osm.be/2018/05/11/en-motm-Yasunari_Yamashita.html (English) [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/escada/diary/43903 (Japanese) ___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org
Re: [Diversity-talk] How do you mapping gender neutral toilets? What should the unisex tag mean?
FYI The unisex tag is also used as a shorthand for female=yes, male=yes on shop=hairdresser [1] . Giving it another meaning on toilets might cause extra confusion. regards m [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop=hairdresser Op di 24 apr. 2018 18:27 schreef Rory McCann : > Hi all, > > Let's have a wee talk about how should one map gender neutral (and > gender segregated) toilets. There is a unisex=yes for toilets which > looks like it might be the number one tag to use. The bog standard > meaning of "unisex toilet"[1] is a gender neutral toilet, i.e. not > segregated into separate male & female facilities. > > Many smaller public toilets are single occupancy and hence unisex, many > larger public toilets (e.g. in shopping centers) are segregated. Social > conservatives are mostly losing the battle on same-sex marriage, so > their new target is trans people, and they're proposing "bathroom laws" > to limit trans people's access to public life. Some organizations are > making their toilets "gender neutral" in response. So there are probably > a lot of gender neutral public toilets, and it's very useful for some > people to know where they are. > > But I don't think that's how "unisex=yes" been used in OSM. The wiki > page says "unisex=yes" is a shorthand for "male=yes female=yes". The > JOSM validator used to suggest that replacement, until I filed a bug[2]. > iD's preset has 3 mutually exclusive options, Male, Female and Unisex, > it won't let you add both male=yes female=yes. > > If I see "amenity=toilets unisex=yes", I would think this is a gender > neutral toilet. If I see "amenity=toilets female=yes male=yes" I would > think gender segregated. Big difference. > > I propose that we start viewing "unisex=yes" on toilets as meaning > "gender neutral toilet", which is different from "male=yes female=yes", > which is "gender segregated". > > Thoughts? Feedback? Anything I'm missing? Is unisex-yes tag being used > by many projects? What do they interpret it as? It's good not to force > things. > > A year ago Micah Cochran's suggestion[3] would be along these lines, but > some changed to toilets:for:unisex=yes (etc.) > > Rory > > P.S. I am doing this as part of the "Diversity Quarterly Project"[4], > which for the quarter is gendered toilets. Plenty of toilets have no > male/female (and/or unisex) tag, and we should add those tags. > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unisex_public_toilet > [2] https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/15536 > [3] > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Toilet_Tagging_Improvements > [4] > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity_Quarterly_Project/2018_Q2 > > ___ > Diversity-talk mailing list > Code of Conduct: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct > Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org ___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org
Re: [Diversity-talk] Who Maps The World
> Baby hatch sounds a horrible tag, sounds mechanical uncaring and impersonal. > I assume it means a maternity ward? It's called "vondelingenschuif" or "vondelingenluik" in Dutch, and the exist nowadays: http://www.vondelingenluik.be/ It can be used by women that want to give away their babies and want to stay anonymous. regards m. ___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org
Re: [Diversity-talk] Who Maps The World
> > So do we want to propose switching from amenity=kindergarten as a > general pre-school childcare tag to the more descriptive and general > case amenity=childcare tag? Or improve the description of the existing > tag and promote subtags, for example to distinguish the general case from > the US case and or use age's. Currently, the wiki page on kindergarten [1] has already several hints to the use for different situations: * "This tag is also currently used for establishments where parents can leave their young children but which provide no formal education." * reference to min_age and max_age. * In the section for Germany, Switserland, Austria: "Recently it was proposed to add sub-tags for the three age categories, nursery=yes, preschool=yes and after_school=yes." so it seems that people are already extending the kindergarten-related tags to be used for childcare as well. This is a type of discussion that has popped up in other areas as well: do we add additional tags to a more general concept to describe the different variants, or do we use a specific tag for each variant ? Defining whether something is a variant or a a different "beast", has lead to many mails on the tagging mailing list. People use the expression duck-tagging vs. structured tagging in those discussions. regards m. [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity=kindergarten ___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org
Re: [Diversity-talk] Who Maps the World
Rory, I did not want to say that some objects are not gendered in some countries, I'm sorry for not making that clear. I wanted to point out is that "because object X is gendered in a country, it is gendered in every country" is wrong. So any statistics that count the number of objects X on a global level to point out gender inequality is wrong. regards m. On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 10:35 AM, Rory McCann wrote: > Hi Marc, > > Unfortunately a lot of things are gendered, and often it's not logical. So > when someone say "In my home ($COUNTRY), $THING is gendered for $GENDER", > you basically have to just take their word for it, even if it doesn't make > logical sense for you. So people can't really answer "Why?" It is because it > is (in $COUNTRY). > > On 16/03/18 07:00, Marc Gemis wrote: >> >> - Why is a bar considered a men-only place ? Can't it be a trendy >> place for all kinds young people to enjoy a good night out ? >>I have seen pubs mentioned in previous articles as well. Where I >> live we map "taverns" as pubs. Many taverns are places where families >> go on a sunday afternoon to meet, let the children play in the >> playground, have an ice-creme, pancake or even full dinner together. > > > Traditionally (in IE & UK) women weren't allowed in pubs, and not supposed > to drink pints. Ergo there's still an overhang of that. > >> - Why is a toilet without gender tag considered men-only ? Where I >> live public toilets have separate sections for women and men, that is >> why we do not bother to map gender. > > > Apparently in some countries that's not true! At SotM 2016 Srravya C > explained that this isn't the case in India. > > -- > Rory ___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org
Re: [Diversity-talk] Who Maps the World
Hallo, I will not dispute the numbers in this article, but I do have some questions on the data behind the numbers. - Why is a bar considered a men-only place ? Can't it be a trendy place for all kinds young people to enjoy a good night out ? I have seen pubs mentioned in previous articles as well. Where I live we map "taverns" as pubs. Many taverns are places where families go on a sunday afternoon to meet, let the children play in the playground, have an ice-creme, pancake or even full dinner together. - Why is a toilet without gender tag considered men-only ? Where I live public toilets have separate sections for women and men, that is why we do not bother to map gender. - Why is mapping a brothel considered bad ? Can't it be seen as a warning for families enjoying a walk with little children to avoid those areas ? On the other hand the article asks for mapping places where women feel safe, so isn't this part of it ? - I think that as far as abortion clinics go that in my country it is just one of specialisms of the regular hospitals. So some conclusions might have been made by extrapolation from a local situation where certain tagging indicates a gender bias. But this does not mean that the same tagging in an other country is also gender-biased. Furthermore, my feeling is that we need a more positive approach to fix missing data (whether it is caused by gender bias or not). So instead of "We are group X, we analyzed item Y in OSM, and it's not there. There are more items Z mapped. Bad OSM" Can't we go for an approach "We are group X, we need data on item Y, please help us mapping item Y, we are grateful if you do, thanks" I think the latter is more welcoming, more friendly, less criticising the current mappers (according to the article "retired white men"). Don't we all want to make OSM friendly for everybody ? including the current mappers ? What do you think ? Am I way off ? m On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 4:03 PM, Mikel Maron wrote: > https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/03/who-maps-the-world/555272/ > > * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron > > ___ > Diversity-talk mailing list > Code of Conduct: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct > Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org ___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org
[Diversity-talk] Mapper of the Month: Nathalie Sidibe (Mali).
More luck than planning, but on the IWD2018, we have the honour to present our interview with Nathalie Sidibe from Mali in English: http://www.osm.be/2018/03/08/en-motm-nathalie-sidibe.html in French (original): http://www.osm.be/2018/03/08/fr-motm-nathalie-sidibe.html a.o. she talks how OSM helps her fighting for more democracy and women rights in Mali. In case you are not familiar with the series, since November 2014 we publish a monthly interview with a mapper. It all started in Belgium, and while the focus is still on Belgium (to get to know each other better in our little community), we also interview people from other countries. The complete list can be found here [1]. So far we have interviewed 5 women and 1 group of women, employees of MapBox and Telenav, mappers from Nepal, Colombia, USA, UK, Germany, etc. I hope to keep on showing the diversity of OSM in this series, so any ideas for interviews or help with translation or contacting people in languages other than Dutch, French and German are welcome. regards m [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Belgian_Mapper_of_the_Month ___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org
