Re: [diversity-talk] Further Discussion on Increasing Diversity

2014-04-02 Thread alyssa wright
Just want to say that the info on the hackpad is awesome! +1000 to
everything written on it.




On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Martin Dittus mar...@dekstop.de wrote:

 For those new to IRC, there's a web chat interface here:
 https://webchat.oftc.net/

 Simply enter your nickname and the channel: #osm-diversity

 m.


 On 2 Apr 2014, at 15:06, alyssa wright alyssapwri...@gmail.com wrote:

  me too! see you all there.
 
 
 
  On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:
  Hi All,
 
  One other update. I'm hanging out in a new IRC room on irc.oftc.net
  called #osm-diversity.
 
  Thanks,
 
  -Kate
 
  On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:
   Hi All,
  
   I think having live meetings does not replace discussions on the
   mailing list. The reason I picked 14:00 UTC is it is a time that isn't
   the middle of the night for most of the OSM community around the
   world.
  
   Let's think of the meeting today as more of a coworking session.
   I've put together a hackpad we can brainstorm on. If you can't make
   the coworking either post comments on the list or write directly in
   the hackpad. Once we get a bit further I'll transfer the hackpad to
   the wiki, but the wiki doesn't work very well for live work.
  
   https://hackpad.com/Diversity-in-OpenStreetMap-Lg5KcJaTG7x
  
   Thanks,
  
   -Kate
  
   On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com
 wrote:
   On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Steven Johnson sejohns...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   Gah, [ ... etc., etc. ]
  
   Given the difficulty of coordinating schedules, plus the further
   difficulty of arranging the technical connection on Murmur, perhaps
   start the conversation on this list?
  
   It is absolutely possible that the conversation will reach a point
   where live communication will be beneficial to find quick refinements
   and build consensus.  Meanwhile, we may be able to put together a list
   of talking points, and perhaps lists of things tried, things to try,
   things to avoid?
  
   I certainly don't see any reason to hold back on discussing on this
   list, just because a voice conference is scheduled / pending /
   cancelled / (in)convenient for some.  :-)
  
   Best Regards and Happy Mapping
  
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Re: [diversity-talk] Further Discussion on Increasing Diversity

2014-04-01 Thread Richard Weait
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Steven Johnson sejohns...@gmail.com wrote:
 Gah, [ ... etc., etc. ]

Given the difficulty of coordinating schedules, plus the further
difficulty of arranging the technical connection on Murmur, perhaps
start the conversation on this list?

It is absolutely possible that the conversation will reach a point
where live communication will be beneficial to find quick refinements
and build consensus.  Meanwhile, we may be able to put together a list
of talking points, and perhaps lists of things tried, things to try,
things to avoid?

I certainly don't see any reason to hold back on discussing on this
list, just because a voice conference is scheduled / pending /
cancelled / (in)convenient for some.  :-)

Best Regards and Happy Mapping

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Re: [diversity-talk] Further Discussion on Increasing Diversity

2014-03-31 Thread alyssa wright
OK! I won't be able to make tomorrow but look forward to any insight and 
updates.

Alyssa.

 On Mar 31, 2014, at 7:37 PM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 
 Sorry for the delay, I should have responded to say March 31st is a
 holiday in Indonesia and I wasn't going to make it. Let's stick to the
 time tomorrow and then we can see about scheduling regular meetings. I
 think having a meeting once a month or every couple weeks could be
 beneficial.
 
 Thanks,
 
 -Kate
 
 On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 10:27 PM, alyssa wright alyssapwri...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 I won't be able to make April 2nd. Is it possible to speak on Monday, March
 31st?
 
 Thanks,
 Alyssa.
 
 
 On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 5:38 AM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:
 
 Hi Steven,
 
 Yes April 2nd.
 
 I agree I think education is very important way to get people
 interested. HOT has been in the midst of a University Roadshow
 within Indonesia. We will have introduced 11 universities to
 OpenStreetMap as well as given students a chance to sign-up for
 workshops.
 
 Thanks,
 
 -Kate
 
 On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Steven Johnson sejohns...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 Kate  lists,
 
 If you mean, Wed, 2 April then yes, count me in.
 
 As fodder for the discussion, here's an article about a college trying
 to
 make CS studies more inclusive: http://tinyurl.com/ltl8yhr There are
 some
 transferable lessons for the OSM community.
 
 I'm cross-posting this reply to teachosm list because I've come to the
 conclusion that the route to diversity is goes directly through
 education
 and outreach. If we train middle- and high-schoolers to get involved
 mapping
 at a younger age, we stand a better chance at broadening the base of
 contributors. But we need an effort that scales and can be pitched
 toward a
 younger audience.
 
 Perhaps we can talk about this on the Wed call and tee up a follow-up
 birds-of-a-feather session the upcoming State o' the Map conference.
 
 SEJ
 
 -- SEJ
 -- twitter: @geomantic
 -- skype: sejohnson8
 
 There are two types of people in the world. Those that can extrapolate
 from
 incomplete data.
 
 
 On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 
 How about we schedule a meeting next week to discuss some possible
 steps? If I suggest Wednesday at 14:00 UTC does that work for most
 people that are interested?
 
 I'll volunteer HOT's mumble server(1) for the discuss unless someone
 wants to volunteer a conference call line (which works
 internationally).
 
 Thanks,
 
 -Kate
 
 (1) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mumble
 
 On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com
 wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 I just wanted to share this article on editathons aimed at closing
 the
 gender gap in Wikipedia(1).
 
 Another item we could think about for mapping parties is to have a
 diversity statement. Groups could simply link to it on their meet-up
 page or whatever software they are using to organize.
 
 Thanks,
 
 -Kate
 (1)
 
 http://blogs.kcrw.com/whichwayla/2014/02/edit-a-thons-aim-to-erase-wikipedias-gender-gap
 
 On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Randal Hale
 rjh...@northrivergeographic.com wrote:
 I think the biggest problem in general is attracting new people - be
 they
 black white male female or green.
 
 OSM is a niche thing - It doesn't matter what is done with new
 editors
 and
 new ideas - your typical user isn't going to muck around in the wiki
 (which
 is a mess) OR get on a talk list and hope to get one of the people
 that
 don't consider OSM their own personal playground.
 
 If you want to learn OSM on the WIKI one of the first things covered
 it
 loading GPX data - once again new users don't care about that (maybe
 when
 they get more advanced - yes). The LearnOSM site is good - BUT -
 which
 is
 definitive? The wiki OR the LearnOSM site (or maybe they both have
 their own
 merits.
 
 I always try to look at it from a win perspective - how does OSM
 win?
 For
 me it's a win if I can convince an elderly  person to map their
 neighborhood
 or a kid to map their elementary school or something they enjoy. I
 have
 tried these very things - but knowing I would be the portal into OSM
 -
 there
 isn't a good spot for them to get that type of support and
 understanding and
 get questions answered. I spent a wonderful amount of time in the US
 Virgin
 Islands working this previous summer - and that was always something
 I
 wondered about How can I convince a resident to show what they
 love
 on
 OSM - be it their neighborhood or school or church? The second
 question
 became if I do this - who will they end up talking to if they get
 active.
 The second question always worried me.
 
 We've had conversations on this end about the community map aspect
 to
 OSM
 - is it really just that? We've been beating a dead horse on other
 talk
 lists on OSM Community - and I think that is something that needs
 definition - who do you want in OSM? Is it everyone? Is it only a
 select
 group?