Re: Design discussion: admin alert messages

2013-10-10 Thread Ryan Allen 
Thanks Marc, good to hear from someone who really experiences color
blindness.


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 3:32 AM, Marc Tamlyn  wrote:

> Russell makes a valid point. As someone who has color blindness of some
> variety (which never seems to fit into any of the defined conditions you
> find listed on the internet...) I personally see almost no difference
> between the original yellow and the new green for success messages.
> However, the icons make it clear and they look sufficiently different to
> the error messages. I personally don't stand to gain much from these
> changes, but I'm not losing anything either. If they benefit someone with
> "normal" vision, go ahead.
>
> Marc
>
>
> On 10 October 2013 03:16, Ryan Allen  wrote:
>
>> It doesn't appear that the images I attached are being shown. Imgur
>> instead:
>>
>> Updated error:
>> http://imgur.com/JdoGyqw
>> Updated Error with Protonopia
>> http://imgur.com/Ve1ifAP
>>
>> Deuteranomoly Success Message
>> http://imgur.com/QvqOHuo
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Re: Design discussion: admin alert messages

2013-10-10 Thread Marc Tamlyn 
Russell makes a valid point. As someone who has color blindness of some
variety (which never seems to fit into any of the defined conditions you
find listed on the internet...) I personally see almost no difference
between the original yellow and the new green for success messages.
However, the icons make it clear and they look sufficiently different to
the error messages. I personally don't stand to gain much from these
changes, but I'm not losing anything either. If they benefit someone with
"normal" vision, go ahead.

Marc


On 10 October 2013 03:16, Ryan Allen  wrote:

> It doesn't appear that the images I attached are being shown. Imgur
> instead:
>
> Updated error:
> http://imgur.com/JdoGyqw
> Updated Error with Protonopia
> http://imgur.com/Ve1ifAP
>
> Deuteranomoly Success Message
> http://imgur.com/QvqOHuo
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Re: Design discussion: admin alert messages

2013-10-09 Thread Ryan Allen 
It doesn't appear that the images I attached are being shown. Imgur instead:

Updated error:
http://imgur.com/JdoGyqw
Updated Error with Protonopia
http://imgur.com/Ve1ifAP

Deuteranomoly Success Message
http://imgur.com/QvqOHuo

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Re: Design discussion: admin alert messages

2013-10-09 Thread Ryan Allen 
Yes, thank you Russ. The conditions you mentioned were all considered when 
these 
screenshots  were created, with the exception of 
Deuteranomoly (reduced sensitivity to green) as the test results were 
nearly the same as the Protonomaly (reduced sensitivity to red) screenshots.

For good measure - Deuteranomoly Success Message




On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 8:40:55 PM UTC-4, Russell Keith-Magee wrote:
>
>
> For the sake of completeness, it's worth pointing out two things:
>
>  1) "Color blindness" isn't a single medical condition. It's half a dozen 
> different conditions, all with different colour distortions, ranging from 
> mild colour spectrum distortion (Protanomaly, Deuteranomaly and 
> Tritanomaly), to complete absence of colour vision (Achromatopsia).
>
>  2) The existing design already accounts for this. It's a monochromatic 
> design (all messages in yellow) that uses icons to differentiate between 
> "error", "warning" and "info". The proposed designs are introducing colour, 
> but aren't removing the iconic elements.
>
> For me, the only question here is the specific choice of colour. The 
> existing design isn't heavily using colour to communicate significance of a 
> message. Introducing colour will be a UX win for those with colour vision; 
> if we pick a good set of colors, those with a mild colour sensory disorder 
> will still be able to distinguish error types based on colour. However, 
> even if you are completely monochromatic, the icons are still there, so a 
> visual cue exists.
>
> Yours,
> Russ Magee %-)
>
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Ryan Allen  > wrote:
>
>> Recent commits to improve error messages, particularly for those with 
>> color blindness:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 2:46:08 PM UTC-4, Ryan Allen wrote:
>>>
>>> Here are comparisons for several different color blindness types: 
>>> http://imgur.com/a/**JaLPD 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 3:16:32 AM UTC-4, HM wrote:

 Did you test the colors with a color-blind filter? Always a question to 
 ask when red and green is given significance in any way. The new error red 
 is better though, bigger contrast to the white.



 On 7 October 2013 22:44, Ryan Allen  wrote:

> https://github.com/django/**django/pull/1715
>
> Currently, all admin messages have a background color of light yellow, 
> whether they are success message, warning message, or error message. 
> Errors 
> are displayed with red (#F00) text.
>
> This pull request would give success messages a green background and 
> errors a light red with dark red border and text.
>
> Current alerts: http://imgur.com/a/**dIO6O 
> Updated alerts: http://imgur.com/a/**fw54u 
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Re: Design discussion: admin alert messages

2013-10-09 Thread Russell Keith-Magee 
For the sake of completeness, it's worth pointing out two things:

 1) "Color blindness" isn't a single medical condition. It's half a dozen
different conditions, all with different colour distortions, ranging from
mild colour spectrum distortion (Protanomaly, Deuteranomaly and
Tritanomaly), to complete absence of colour vision (Achromatopsia).

 2) The existing design already accounts for this. It's a monochromatic
design (all messages in yellow) that uses icons to differentiate between
"error", "warning" and "info". The proposed designs are introducing colour,
but aren't removing the iconic elements.

For me, the only question here is the specific choice of colour. The
existing design isn't heavily using colour to communicate significance of a
message. Introducing colour will be a UX win for those with colour vision;
if we pick a good set of colors, those with a mild colour sensory disorder
will still be able to distinguish error types based on colour. However,
even if you are completely monochromatic, the icons are still there, so a
visual cue exists.

Yours,
Russ Magee %-)

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Ryan Allen  wrote:

> Recent commits to improve error messages, particularly for those with
> color blindness:
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 2:46:08 PM UTC-4, Ryan Allen wrote:
>>
>> Here are comparisons for several different color blindness types:
>> http://imgur.com/a/**JaLPD 
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 3:16:32 AM UTC-4, HM wrote:
>>>
>>> Did you test the colors with a color-blind filter? Always a question to
>>> ask when red and green is given significance in any way. The new error red
>>> is better though, bigger contrast to the white.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7 October 2013 22:44, Ryan Allen  wrote:
>>>
 https://github.com/django/**django/pull/1715

 Currently, all admin messages have a background color of light yellow,
 whether they are success message, warning message, or error message. Errors
 are displayed with red (#F00) text.

 This pull request would give success messages a green background and
 errors a light red with dark red border and text.

 Current alerts: http://imgur.com/a/**dIO6O 
 Updated alerts: http://imgur.com/a/**fw54u 

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Re: Design discussion: admin alert messages

2013-10-09 Thread Ryan Allen 
Recent commits to improve error messages, particularly for those with color 
blindness:






On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 2:46:08 PM UTC-4, Ryan Allen wrote:
>
> Here are comparisons for several different color blindness types: 
> http://imgur.com/a/JaLPD
>
> On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 3:16:32 AM UTC-4, HM wrote:
>>
>> Did you test the colors with a color-blind filter? Always a question to 
>> ask when red and green is given significance in any way. The new error red 
>> is better though, bigger contrast to the white.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7 October 2013 22:44, Ryan Allen  wrote:
>>
>>> https://github.com/django/django/pull/1715
>>>
>>> Currently, all admin messages have a background color of light yellow, 
>>> whether they are success message, warning message, or error message. Errors 
>>> are displayed with red (#F00) text.
>>>
>>> This pull request would give success messages a green background and 
>>> errors a light red with dark red border and text.
>>>
>>> Current alerts: http://imgur.com/a/dIO6O
>>> Updated alerts: http://imgur.com/a/fw54u
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Re: Design discussion: admin alert messages

2013-10-08 Thread Ryan Allen 
Here are comparisons for several different color blindness types: 
http://imgur.com/a/JaLPD

On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 3:16:32 AM UTC-4, HM wrote:
>
> Did you test the colors with a color-blind filter? Always a question to 
> ask when red and green is given significance in any way. The new error red 
> is better though, bigger contrast to the white.
>
>
>
> On 7 October 2013 22:44, Ryan Allen wrote:
>
>> https://github.com/django/django/pull/1715
>>
>> Currently, all admin messages have a background color of light yellow, 
>> whether they are success message, warning message, or error message. Errors 
>> are displayed with red (#F00) text.
>>
>> This pull request would give success messages a green background and 
>> errors a light red with dark red border and text.
>>
>> Current alerts: http://imgur.com/a/dIO6O
>> Updated alerts: http://imgur.com/a/fw54u
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Re: Design discussion: admin alert messages

2013-10-08 Thread Ryan Allen 
Here are comparisons for several different color blindness 
types: http://imgur.com/a/JaLPD



On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 11:57:08 AM UTC-4, Ryan Allen wrote:
>
> Thanks, I found a Chrome extension to use - 
> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/spectrum/ofclemegkcmilinpcimpjkfhjfgmhieb?hl=en
>
> On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:37:35 AM UTC-4, Daniele Procida wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013, Ryan Allen  wrote: 
>>
>> >Good thought, I'll get some color test screenshots put together today. 
>>
>> I've used  which I thought was quite 
>> good, but perhaps you know of better ones. 
>>
>> Daniele 
>>
>>
On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 11:57:08 AM UTC-4, Ryan Allen wrote:
>
> Thanks, I found a Chrome extension to use - 
> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/spectrum/ofclemegkcmilinpcimpjkfhjfgmhieb?hl=en
>
> On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:37:35 AM UTC-4, Daniele Procida wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013, Ryan Allen  wrote: 
>>
>> >Good thought, I'll get some color test screenshots put together today. 
>>
>> I've used  which I thought was quite 
>> good, but perhaps you know of better ones. 
>>
>> Daniele 
>>
>>
On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 11:57:08 AM UTC-4, Ryan Allen wrote:
>
> Thanks, I found a Chrome extension to use - 
> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/spectrum/ofclemegkcmilinpcimpjkfhjfgmhieb?hl=en
>
> On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:37:35 AM UTC-4, Daniele Procida wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013, Ryan Allen  wrote: 
>>
>> >Good thought, I'll get some color test screenshots put together today. 
>>
>> I've used  which I thought was quite 
>> good, but perhaps you know of better ones. 
>>
>> Daniele 
>>
>>

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Re: Design discussion: admin alert messages

2013-10-08 Thread Ryan Allen 
Thanks, I found a Chrome extension to use 
- 
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/spectrum/ofclemegkcmilinpcimpjkfhjfgmhieb?hl=en

On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:37:35 AM UTC-4, Daniele Procida wrote:
>
> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013, Ryan Allen  wrote: 
>
> >Good thought, I'll get some color test screenshots put together today. 
>
> I've used  which I thought was quite 
> good, but perhaps you know of better ones. 
>
> Daniele 
>
>

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Re: Design discussion: admin alert messages

2013-10-08 Thread Daniele Procida 
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013, Ryan Allen  wrote:

>Good thought, I'll get some color test screenshots put together today.

I've used  which I thought was quite good, but 
perhaps you know of better ones.

Daniele

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Re: Design discussion: admin alert messages

2013-10-08 Thread Ryan Allen 
Good thought, I'll get some color test screenshots put together today.


On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 3:16:32 AM UTC-4, HM wrote:
>
> Did you test the colors with a color-blind filter? Always a question to 
> ask when red and green is given significance in any way. The new error red 
> is better though, bigger contrast to the white.
>
>
>
> On 7 October 2013 22:44, Ryan Allen wrote:
>
>> https://github.com/django/django/pull/1715
>>
>> Currently, all admin messages have a background color of light yellow, 
>> whether they are success message, warning message, or error message. Errors 
>> are displayed with red (#F00) text.
>>
>> This pull request would give success messages a green background and 
>> errors a light red with dark red border and text.
>>
>> Current alerts: http://imgur.com/a/dIO6O
>> Updated alerts: http://imgur.com/a/fw54u
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Re: Design discussion: admin alert messages

2013-10-08 Thread Hanne Moa 
Did you test the colors with a color-blind filter? Always a question to ask
when red and green is given significance in any way. The new error red is
better though, bigger contrast to the white.



On 7 October 2013 22:44, Ryan Allen  wrote:

> https://github.com/django/django/pull/1715
>
> Currently, all admin messages have a background color of light yellow,
> whether they are success message, warning message, or error message. Errors
> are displayed with red (#F00) text.
>
> This pull request would give success messages a green background and
> errors a light red with dark red border and text.
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> Current alerts: http://imgur.com/a/dIO6O
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Design discussion: admin alert messages

2013-10-07 Thread Ryan Allen 
https://github.com/django/django/pull/1715

Currently, all admin messages have a background color of light yellow, 
whether they are success message, warning message, or error message. Errors 
are displayed with red (#F00) text.

This pull request would give success messages a green background and errors 
a light red with dark red border and text.

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