Re: [Django] #17652: LiveTestServer - we shouldn't advertise support for Windmill (or we should provide some docs)

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#17652: LiveTestServer - we shouldn't advertise support for Windmill (or we 
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provide some docs)
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 Reporter:  lukeplant|Owner:  nobody
 Type:  Bug  |   Status:  closed
Component:  Documentation|  Version:  1.3
 Severity:  Release blocker  |   Resolution:  fixed
 Keywords:   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
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Changes (by julien):

 * status:  new => closed
 * resolution:   => fixed


Comment:

 In [17524]:
 {{{
 #!CommitTicketReference repository="" revision="17524"
 Fixed #17652 -- Removed all mentions to Windmill from the docs as that
 project doesn't integrate well with Django at this time.
 }}}

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Re: [Django] #17652: LiveTestServer - we shouldn't advertise support for Windmill (or we should provide some docs)

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#17652: LiveTestServer - we shouldn't advertise support for Windmill (or we 
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provide some docs)
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 Reporter:  lukeplant|Owner:  nobody
 Type:  Bug  |   Status:  new
Component:  Documentation|  Version:  1.3
 Severity:  Release blocker  |   Resolution:
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Comment (by julien):

 Oops, that was me. I'll push the doc fix in a minute.

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Re: [Django] #17652: LiveTestServer - we shouldn't advertise support for Windmill (or we should provide some docs)

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#17652: LiveTestServer - we shouldn't advertise support for Windmill (or we 
should
provide some docs)
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 Reporter:  lukeplant|Owner:  nobody
 Type:  Bug  |   Status:  new
Component:  Documentation|  Version:  1.3
 Severity:  Release blocker  |   Resolution:
 Keywords:   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
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Comment (by anonymous):

 After several attempts I still haven't got any reply in the #windmill
 Freenode channel. It seems like that project is in idle mode...

 I'll remove all mentions to Windmill from the docs. Other projects such as
 Splinter or Ghost don't seem mature enough to guarantee a mention in our
 docs. They do seem to work with `LiveServerTestCase` though, so we could
 consider mentioning them in the future.

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Re: [Django] #17652: LiveTestServer - we shouldn't advertise support for Windmill (or we should provide some docs)

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#17652: LiveTestServer - we shouldn't advertise support for Windmill (or we 
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provide some docs)
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 Reporter:  lukeplant|Owner:  nobody
 Type:  Bug  |   Status:  new
Component:  Documentation|  Version:  1.3
 Severity:  Release blocker  |   Resolution:
 Keywords:   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
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Comment (by julien):

 Note: this gist contains an example with splinter:
 https://gist.github.com/1685139

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Re: [Django] #17652: LiveTestServer - we shouldn't advertise support for Windmill (or we should provide some docs)

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#17652: LiveTestServer - we shouldn't advertise support for Windmill (or we 
should
provide some docs)
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 Reporter:  lukeplant|Owner:  nobody
 Type:  Bug  |   Status:  new
Component:  Documentation|  Version:  1.3
 Severity:  Release blocker  |   Resolution:
 Keywords:   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
Has patch:  0|  Needs documentation:  0
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Comment (by julien):

 There is also Ghost, which already supports `LiveServerTestCase`:

 http://jeanphix.me/Ghost.py/#django

 https://github.com/jeanphix/Ghost.py/blob/master/ghost/ext/django/test.py

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Re: [Django] #17652: LiveTestServer - we shouldn't advertise support for Windmill (or we should provide some docs)

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#17652: LiveTestServer - we shouldn't advertise support for Windmill (or we 
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provide some docs)
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 Reporter:  lukeplant|Owner:  nobody
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Component:  Documentation|  Version:  1.3
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Comment (by julien):

 That said, I see that splinter is actually partially based on Selenium. So
 that might not really count ;)

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Re: [Django] #17652: LiveTestServer - we shouldn't advertise support for Windmill (or we should provide some docs)

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#17652: LiveTestServer - we shouldn't advertise support for Windmill (or we 
should
provide some docs)
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 Reporter:  lukeplant|Owner:  nobody
 Type:  Bug  |   Status:  new
Component:  Documentation|  Version:  1.3
 Severity:  Release blocker  |   Resolution:
 Keywords:   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
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Comment (by julien):

 There hasn't been any code updates to the Windmill repository since April
 2011 `[1]` or any blog/twitter updates for that project since November
 2010. I've also tried to get some feedback on the #windmill channel on
 Freenode but no one's replied yet. I'll continue trying to get a hold of
 the Windmill guys.

 In the meantime, if anyone is interested, you may also try using Splinter
 `[2]` instead as it's a much active project right now.

 `[1]` https://github.com/windmill/windmill/commits/master

 `[2]` http://splinter.cobrateam.info/

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Re: [Django] #17652: LiveTestServer - we shouldn't advertise support for Windmill (or we should provide some docs)

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#17652: LiveTestServer - we shouldn't advertise support for Windmill (or we 
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provide some docs)
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 Reporter:  lukeplant|Owner:  nobody
 Type:  Bug  |   Status:  new
Component:  Documentation|  Version:  1.3
 Severity:  Release blocker  |   Resolution:
 Keywords:   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
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Re: [Django] #17652: LiveTestServer - we shouldn't advertise support for Windmill (or we should provide some docs)

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#17652: LiveTestServer - we shouldn't advertise support for Windmill (or we 
should
provide some docs)
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 Reporter:  lukeplant|Owner:  nobody
 Type:  Bug  |   Status:  new
Component:  Documentation|  Version:  1.3
 Severity:  Release blocker  |   Resolution:
 Keywords:   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
Has patch:  0|  Needs documentation:  0
  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
Easy pickings:  0|UI/UX:  0
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Changes (by julien):

 * severity:  Normal => Release blocker
 * stage:  Unreviewed => Accepted


Comment:

 Thanks Luke for the report.

 I'm the one who mentioned Windmill in the doc, mainly to replace the
 mention to Twill which itself appears to be a dead project. See the old
 doc: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.3/topics/testing/

 However, I did not test the integration between Windwill and
 `LiveServerTestCase` and if it doesn't work then we should absolutely
 remove that mention from the doc. Therefore I'm marking this ticket as
 release blocker.

 `LiveServerTestCase` was designed to be completely agnostic about what
 testing framework is used. So I tend to think that the issue lies in
 Windmill itself. Windmill is a fairly active project though, so it'd be
 nice if it did all work well (and if we could leave that mention in the
 doc). So I'll reach out to the Windmill maintainers to see if they have
 any thoughts on how to enable that support within their project.

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[Django] #17652: LiveTestServer - we shouldn't advertise support for Windmill (or we should provide some docs)

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#17652: LiveTestServer - we shouldn't advertise support for Windmill (or we 
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provide some docs)
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   Reporter:  lukeplant  |  Owner:  nobody
   Type:  Bug| Status:  new
  Component:  Documentation  |Version:  1.3
   Severity:  Normal |   Keywords:
   Triage Stage:  Unreviewed |  Has patch:  0
Needs documentation:  0  |Needs tests:  0
Patch needs improvement:  0  |  Easy pickings:  0
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 After an hour or more of messing around, I really can't get anything
 helpful out of Windmill (at all, really, but especially in conjunction
 with Django in any kind of automated way)

 The docs for it are pretty bad in terms of structure, so you can't just
 point people to the docs. (e.g: no proper tutorial, the nearest thing to a
 tutorial tells you to use IPython, but support for IPython > 0.10 is
 broken, etc etc.)

 I've tried Windmill's own django support, which appears to be very broken,
 or extremely difficult.

 So we shouldn't send people down the blind alley of using Windmill when we
 really don't support it at all.

 Alternatively, if we can provide some documentation for how to use it -
 equivalent to the Selenium stuff - then we should. If the people who
 worked on this can comment that will help.

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