Re: [Django] #21027: remember Tutorial users to invoke the shell by "python manage.py shell" before setting up the test environment

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#21027: remember Tutorial users to invoke the shell by "python manage.py shell"
before setting up the test environment
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 Reporter:  anonymous|Owner:  MaxV
 Type:   |   Status:  closed
  Cleanup/optimization   |  Version:  1.5
Component:  Documentation|   Resolution:  fixed
 Severity:  Normal   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
 Keywords:  "Tutorial 1.5" / |  Needs documentation:  0
  "Test a view", afraid-to-commit|  Patch needs improvement:  0
Has patch:  0|UI/UX:  0
  Needs tests:  0|
Easy pickings:  1|
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Comment (by Tim Graham ):

 In [changeset:"e532d1e38f30689f6483ee5fd580eaf8d08a6b1e"]:
 {{{
 #!CommitTicketReference repository=""
 revision="e532d1e38f30689f6483ee5fd580eaf8d08a6b1e"
 [1.5.x] Fixed #21027 -- Updated tutorial 5 docs to link to management
 shell command page.

 Backport of 13ddf0e002 from master
 }}}

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Re: [Django] #21027: remember Tutorial users to invoke the shell by "python manage.py shell" before setting up the test environment

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#21027: remember Tutorial users to invoke the shell by "python manage.py shell"
before setting up the test environment
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 Reporter:  anonymous|Owner:  MaxV
 Type:   |   Status:  closed
  Cleanup/optimization   |  Version:  1.5
Component:  Documentation|   Resolution:  fixed
 Severity:  Normal   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
 Keywords:  "Tutorial 1.5" / |  Needs documentation:  0
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Comment (by Tim Graham ):

 In [changeset:"8f5ea9d19b7a50839dead7eaf2ce6566e336067d"]:
 {{{
 #!CommitTicketReference repository=""
 revision="8f5ea9d19b7a50839dead7eaf2ce6566e336067d"
 [1.6.x] Fixed #21027 -- Updated tutorial 5 docs to link to management
 shell command page.

 Backport of 13ddf0e002 from master
 }}}

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Re: [Django] #21027: remember Tutorial users to invoke the shell by "python manage.py shell" before setting up the test environment

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#21027: remember Tutorial users to invoke the shell by "python manage.py shell"
before setting up the test environment
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 Reporter:  anonymous|Owner:  MaxV
 Type:   |   Status:  closed
  Cleanup/optimization   |  Version:  1.5
Component:  Documentation|   Resolution:  fixed
 Severity:  Normal   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
 Keywords:  "Tutorial 1.5" / |  Needs documentation:  0
  "Test a view", afraid-to-commit|  Patch needs improvement:  0
Has patch:  0|UI/UX:  0
  Needs tests:  0|
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Changes (by Tim Graham ):

 * status:  assigned => closed
 * resolution:   => fixed


Comment:

 In [changeset:"13ddf0e0027b7646953a4c7d872ca682667c9b3f"]:
 {{{
 #!CommitTicketReference repository=""
 revision="13ddf0e0027b7646953a4c7d872ca682667c9b3f"
 Fixed #21027 -- Updated tutorial 5 docs to link to management shell
 command page.
 }}}

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Re: [Django] #21027: remember Tutorial users to invoke the shell by "python manage.py shell" before setting up the test environment

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#21027: remember Tutorial users to invoke the shell by "python manage.py shell"
before setting up the test environment
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 Reporter:  anonymous|Owner:  MaxV
 Type:   |   Status:  assigned
  Cleanup/optimization   |  Version:  1.5
Component:  Documentation|   Resolution:
 Severity:  Normal   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
 Keywords:  "Tutorial 1.5" / |  Needs documentation:  0
  "Test a view", afraid-to-commit|  Patch needs improvement:  0
Has patch:  0|UI/UX:  0
  Needs tests:  0|
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Changes (by MaxV):

 * cc: MaxV (added)
 * owner:  bussau => MaxV


Comment:

 Working on this ticket at PyconIE Dublin sprint. About to submit a patch
 that solves part 'a' as suggested by timo in comment 7. Given that bussau
 hasn't provided a suggested wording for part 'b', I will not include an
 attempt at that fix myself. Perhaps that deserves a ticket of it's own?

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Re: [Django] #21027: remember Tutorial users to invoke the shell by "python manage.py shell" before setting up the test environment

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#21027: remember Tutorial users to invoke the shell by "python manage.py shell"
before setting up the test environment
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 Reporter:  anonymous|Owner:  bussau
 Type:   |   Status:  assigned
  Cleanup/optimization   |  Version:  1.5
Component:  Documentation|   Resolution:
 Severity:  Normal   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
 Keywords:  "Tutorial 1.5" / |  Needs documentation:  0
  "Test a view", afraid-to-commit|  Patch needs improvement:  0
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Comment (by EvilDMP):

 I've marked this ticket as especially suitable for first-time committers
 or people following the [http://dont-be-afraid-to-commit.readthedocs.org/
 Don't be afraid to commit] tutorial. If you're tackling this ticket,
 please don't hesitate to ask me for guidance if you'd like any, either
 here or on the Django IRC channels, where I can be found as ''EvilDMP''.

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Re: [Django] #21027: remember Tutorial users to invoke the shell by "python manage.py shell" before setting up the test environment

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#21027: remember Tutorial users to invoke the shell by "python manage.py shell"
before setting up the test environment
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 Reporter:  anonymous|Owner:  bussau
 Type:   |   Status:  assigned
  Cleanup/optimization   |  Version:  1.5
Component:  Documentation|   Resolution:
 Severity:  Normal   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
 Keywords:  "Tutorial 1.5" / |  Needs documentation:  0
  "Test a view", afraid-to-commit|  Patch needs improvement:  0
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Changes (by EvilDMP):

 * keywords:  "Tutorial 1.5" / "Test a view" => "Tutorial 1.5" / "Test a
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Re: [Django] #21027: remember Tutorial users to invoke the shell by "python manage.py shell" before setting up the test environment

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#21027: remember Tutorial users to invoke the shell by "python manage.py shell"
before setting up the test environment
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 Reporter:  anonymous|Owner:  nobody
 Type:   |   Status:  new
  Cleanup/optimization   |  Version:  1.5
Component:  Documentation|   Resolution:
 Severity:  Normal   | Triage Stage:
 Keywords:  "Tutorial 1.5" / |  Unreviewed
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Comment (by st.sempert@…):

 My setup: openSuse 12.3, python 2.7.3, django 1.5.2, eclipse kepler with
 pyDev and pyDev Django 2.7.0

 I just went through the tutorial again and I think I found the "cause" for
 my mistake.

 a) In my current setting no examples in part 1 work with plain python
 shell. Anyway, I assume I invoked manage.py there, since it is advised to
 do so in this part of the tutorial.
 b) In part 2, 3 and 4 no examples include calls from the python shell --
 which presumably gave me enough time to forget the warning in part 1. MY
 FAULT.
 c) I can't replicate that the first part of tutorial 5 worked with plain
 python, neither from the bash nor from my current settings of kepler. BUT:
 there are way's to make it work in kepler/pyDev (as you certainly know)
 AND I have reorganized the project as part of my effort to "solve" the
 problem. I suppose I have killed a preference or something in the course
 of the reorganization without realizing.

 Bottom Line:

 I would suggest (and will append a corresponded diff later)

 a) to remind the tutorial user in Part 5 to invoke the shell through
 manage.py or to make sure the DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE environment variable
 is set. I may not be the only one living in oblivion :-)

 b) to explain the consequences of bypassing manage.oy without setting
 DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE environment variable in a less abstract way.

 Another rather cautious suggestion: What about a few words in the
 Installation part of the doc about IDE's in general and maybe even
 pyDev/pyDev django in particular?

 BTW: The quality of the django documentation and the tutorial in general
 is in imho excellent.

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Re: [Django] #21027: remember Tutorial users to invoke the shell by "python manage.py shell" before setting up the test environment

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#21027: remember Tutorial users to invoke the shell by "python manage.py shell"
before setting up the test environment
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 Reporter:  anonymous|Owner:  nobody
 Type:   |   Status:  new
  Cleanup/optimization   |  Version:  1.5
Component:  Documentation|   Resolution:
 Severity:  Normal   | Triage Stage:
 Keywords:  "Tutorial 1.5" / |  Unreviewed
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Comment (by timo):

 If you'd like to attach a diff that would be fine, but I'm concerned that
 I can't reproduce the behavior you are seeing and maybe we should include
 a different piece of advice to avoid what's happening on your system that
 causes a plain python shell to work with the rest of the tutorial. Here's
 what I see. Could you include some more details regarding your setup?

 {{{
 ~/code/mysite$ python
 Python 2.7.3 (default, Apr 10 2013, 06:20:15)
 [GCC 4.6.3] on linux2
 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
 >>> from polls import models
 Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "", line 1, in 
   File "polls/models.py", line 3, in 
 from django.db import models
   File "/home/timgraham/code/django/django/db/__init__.py", line 97, in
 
 signals.request_started.connect(reset_queries)
   File "/home/timgraham/code/django/django/dispatch/dispatcher.py", line
 88, in connect
 if settings.DEBUG:
   File "/home/timgraham/code/django/django/conf/__init__.py", line 54, in
 __getattr__
 self._setup(name)
   File "/home/timgraham/code/django/django/conf/__init__.py", line 47, in
 _setup
 % (desc, ENVIRONMENT_VARIABLE))
 django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: Requested setting DEBUG, but
 settings are not configured. You must either define the environment
 variable DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE or call settings.configure() before
 accessing settings.
 }}}

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Re: [Django] #21027: remember Tutorial users to invoke the shell by "python manage.py shell" before setting up the test environment

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#21027: remember Tutorial users to invoke the shell by "python manage.py shell"
before setting up the test environment
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 Reporter:  anonymous|Owner:  nobody
 Type:   |   Status:  new
  Cleanup/optimization   |  Version:  1.5
Component:  Documentation|   Resolution:
 Severity:  Normal   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
 Keywords:  "Tutorial 1.5" / |  Needs documentation:  0
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Changes (by timo):

 * stage:  Unreviewed => Accepted


Comment:

 a) Thanks for the investigation. My suggestion would be to replace "shell"
 in the docs with {{{:djadmin:`shell`}}} -- that will create a link to
 `manage.py shell` to create a reminder for the reader without being too
 verbose. Could you replace any occurrences of this in the other parts of
 the tutorial as well?

 b) Sounds ok, I'll be interested to see the wording you come up with.

 Regarding IDEs, I think it's outside the scope of Django's docs to
 recommend anything in that regard.

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Re: [Django] #21027: remember Tutorial users to invoke the shell by "python manage.py shell" before setting up the test environment

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#21027: remember Tutorial users to invoke the shell by "python manage.py shell"
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 Reporter:  anonymous|Owner:  bussau
 Type:   |   Status:  assigned
  Cleanup/optimization   |  Version:  1.5
Component:  Documentation|   Resolution:
 Severity:  Normal   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
 Keywords:  "Tutorial 1.5" / |  Needs documentation:  0
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Changes (by bussau):

 * status:  new => assigned
 * owner:  nobody => bussau


Comment:

 will do tomorrow. thx & good night

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Re: [Django] #21027: remember Tutorial users to invoke the shell by "python manage.py shell" before setting up the test environment

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#21027: remember Tutorial users to invoke the shell by "python manage.py shell"
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 Reporter:  anonymous|Owner:  nobody
 Type:   |   Status:  new
  Cleanup/optimization   |  Version:  1.5
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 Keywords:  "Tutorial 1.5" / |  Unreviewed
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Comment (by st.sempert@…):

 Timo!

 a) No, I didn't changed PYTHONPATH, but I started python always from the
 project directory -- which seemed fine enough until it didn't.
 b) I would be glad to offer a patch to the tutorial. As newbie I'm bit shy
 to fork the document on github and request a pull. Would you rather have
 my suggestions there or here e.g. as a attachment?

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[Django] #21027: remember Tutorial users to invoke the shell by "python manage.py shell" before setting up the test environment

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#21027: remember Tutorial users to invoke the shell by "python manage.py shell"
before setting up the test environment
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 Reporter:  anonymous |  Owner:  nobody
 Type:| Status:  new
  Uncategorized   |Version:  1.5
Component:|   Keywords:  "Tutorial 1.5" / "Test a view"
  Documentation   |  Has patch:  0
 Severity:  Normal|  UI/UX:  0
 Triage Stage:  Unreviewed|
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--+
 Working through the Tutorial 5 I stumbled across something I haven't
 expected.
 The tutorial suggest to setup the test environment, starting with:

 {{{
 >>> from django.test.utils import setup_test_environment
 }}}

 I used the standard python shell throughout the whole tutorial without any
 problems, but now I got the following message:

 {{{
 Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "", line 1, in 
   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/test/__init__.py", line 5,
 in 
 from django.test.client import Client, RequestFactory
   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/test/client.py", line 16,
 in 
 from django.contrib.auth import authenticate, login
   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/contrib/auth/__init__.py",
 line 5, in 
 from django.middleware.csrf import rotate_token
   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/middleware/csrf.py", line
 16, in 
 from django.utils.cache import patch_vary_headers
   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/utils/cache.py", line 26,
 in 
 from django.core.cache import get_cache
   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/cache/__init__.py",
 line 70, in 
 if DEFAULT_CACHE_ALIAS not in settings.CACHES:
   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line
 53, in __getattr__
 self._setup(name)
   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line
 46, in _setup
 % (desc, ENVIRONMENT_VARIABLE))
 django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: Requested setting CACHES, but
 settings are not configured.
 You must either define the environment variable DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE or
 call settings.configure()
 before accessing settings.
 }}}

 Of course, this ought to be happen, since I have bypassed manage.py and
 thus the DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE environment variable wasn't set. Anyway,
 for django newbies who didn't follow your advise in part 1 of the tutorial
 this might come as an surprise.

 My suggestions:

 1) Make the consequences of bypassing manage.py in part 1 of the tutorial
 more explicit ("XYZ won't work unless ...")
 2) Some newbies might appreciate at this early point of the tutorial a
 deeper explanation of the DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE environment variable.
 3) Repeat the advise to invoke the shell through manage.py in "Tutorial 5
 / Test a view", to help lazy newbies like me :-)

 Best regards
 Stephan

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Re: [Django] #21027: remember Tutorial users to invoke the shell by "python manage.py shell" before setting up the test environment

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 Reporter:  anonymous|Owner:  nobody
 Type:   |   Status:  new
  Cleanup/optimization   |  Version:  1.5
Component:  Documentation|   Resolution:
 Severity:  Normal   | Triage Stage:
 Keywords:  "Tutorial 1.5" / |  Unreviewed
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Comment (by timo):

 I think the warning in part 1 is already quite explicit and the error
 message you encountered suggests what the problem is. Also the fact that
 you could do the rest of the tutorial with a plain python shell seems to
 be a bit odd -- perhaps you modified your PYTHONPATH to point to the
 current directory or something? I get errors if I don't use `manage.py`.
 If you can offer a patch, however, I'd be happy to take a look at your
 suggestion.

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Re: [Django] #21027: remember Tutorial users to invoke the shell by "python manage.py shell" before setting up the test environment

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Component:  Documentation|  Version:  1.5
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  "Tutorial 1.5" / | Triage Stage:
  "Test a view"  |  Unreviewed
Has patch:  0|  Needs documentation:  0
  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
Easy pickings:  1|UI/UX:  0
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Changes (by st.sempert@…):

 * needs_better_patch:   => 0
 * needs_tests:   => 0
 * needs_docs:   => 0


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Re: [Django] #21027: remember Tutorial users to invoke the shell by "python manage.py shell" before setting up the test environment

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#21027: remember Tutorial users to invoke the shell by "python manage.py shell"
before setting up the test environment
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 Reporter:  anonymous|Owner:  nobody
 Type:   |   Status:  new
  Cleanup/optimization   |  Version:  1.5
Component:  Documentation|   Resolution:
 Severity:  Normal   | Triage Stage:
 Keywords:  "Tutorial 1.5" / |  Unreviewed
  "Test a view"  |  Needs documentation:  0
Has patch:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
  Needs tests:  0|UI/UX:  0
Easy pickings:  1|
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 * cc: st.sempert@… (added)
 * type:  Uncategorized => Cleanup/optimization


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